But Hollywood moguls … took this as a declaration of war. “We just feel very let down by the administration and Obama for not supporting us,” one chief explained to me. “At least let him remain neutral and not go against it until we can get the legislation right. But Obama went against it. I’m personally not going to support him anymore and not give a dime anymore,” one movie mogul who’s also a well-known Obama supporter told me this week….Hollywood wants to kill the internet, or at least to kill any website that doesn't meet with its full approval.
Several moguls have informed Obama’s newly anointed Hollywood re-election liason to the entertainment community Nicole Avant and her husband who is helping her, Netflix chief content officer Ted Sarandos, that they are pulling out of major fundraisers planned over the next few days and won’t participate in any more headed by Obama and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (whom they see as in the pocket of the Internet giants like Google).
As usual, this isn't a case of stupidity or cluelessness, but of Who? Whom? A group of moguls with money are trying to kill the internet. While that attempt seems thwarted for now, we won't be hearing the last from them or from others with vested interests.
“We just feel very let down by the administration and Obama for not supporting us,” one chief explained to me.
ReplyDeleteConsidering the amount of money they've given Obama, I can't exactly blame them for being upset.
Yeah but Google and Wikipedia et. al. won't be taking their eyes off this ball.
ReplyDeleteSilicon Valley fat cats duke it out with Hollywood fat cats... I for one look forward to the counter-protests from the studios, protestors marching up and down in front of the Capitol chanting "Don't Drop the SOPA"
ReplyDeleteI’m personally not going to support him anymore and not give a dime anymore,” one movie mogul who’s also a well-known Obama supporter told me this week….
ReplyDeleteSo what? It's not likely this guy is going to become a republican and suddenly decide that Romney or even Ron Paul is his guy. His money is not needed because the tech industry in Silicon Valley will more than cover whatever he would have given. He is no different than the average black voter. The democrats know he has nowhere else to go.
When CDs first arrived on the scene Polygram executive Maurice (are they all Jews, or was Maurice an Irish Catholic?) Oberstein is supposed to have said, “Do you realise we are giving away our master tapes here?” Ever since then, it's been a scramble to devise ways to prohibit copying of any digitized material. But if you can read, hear, or otherwise interact with it, it can always be copied.
ReplyDelete"Hollywood" is one thing. But don't kid yourself. Politicians are the ones that really want to do away with the Web. Or at least the Web as it exists in its present, mostly uncontrolled form.
"As usual, this isn't a case of stupidity or cluelessness, but of Who? Whom? A group of moguls with money are trying to kill the internet."
ReplyDeleteThere's even bigger money on the other side -- Silicon Valley. This is a battle between Silicon Valley and Hollywood, but it's part of a bigger war between capital and labor, broadly speaking.
"Hollywood" is one thing. But don't kid yourself. Politicians are the ones that really want to do away with the Web. Or at least the Web as it exists in its present, mostly uncontrolled form.
ReplyDeleteBut Hollywood and the politicians are inextricably linked. The entertainment industry is the propaganda arm of the ruling class.
Now that I think of it, my comment makes it sound as if it's the government dog wagging the Hollywood tail, but of course if anything it's the reverse.
DeleteOT, but I've heard Kevin MacDonald discuss the culture of critique. Well the latest in the Atlantic brings this to mind. They are belittling the republicans, especially Santorum whom I don't like, because they made the great mistake of taking bad high school yearbook photos.
ReplyDeleteA quick office straw poll here at The Atlantic, conducted amidst uproarious laughter, confirms that this is, in fact, the single worst year book photo that most of us have ever seen. An outright disaster. I suppose it's Santorum's misfortune to have been in high school during this era. I'm pretty sure that 1976 wasn't too kind to anyone. But still. Wow--he looks like McLovin in polyester. I have yet to meet the political consultant talented enough to spin this one. My condolences to Santorum. Brave of him to have struggled through this and made something of this life.
Of course they will probably pass it off as just having fun. But we all know that repeatedly making fun of people slowly causes the public to lose faith and respect for that person. It is why the media kept looping Howard Dean's Iowa speech in 2008 and why they won't permit similar criticisms of Obama. They know the erosive effect such mockery generates.
Newt's high school motto: Specialization may produce success, but greatness is aquired only through generalization.
Delete"This is a battle between Silicon Valley and Hollywood"
ReplyDeleteGo Silicon Valley!
Seriously, what kind of an idiot doesn't realize that the altright is 100% on the side of inteligent, hardworking Silicon Valley engineers, and 100% against the soft porn pimps of Hollywood?
"but it's part of a bigger war between capital and labor"
Oh, a Marxist idiot. Refreshing to meet one, actually, after dealing with New Leftists all day every day.
"Seriously, what kind of an idiot doesn't realize that the altright is 100% on the side of inteligent, hardworking Silicon Valley engineers, and 100% against the soft porn pimps of Hollywood?"
ReplyDeleteAye. I, for one, like the internet waaay more than any movies of recent (say, the last two decades) vintage to come out of Hollywood. (Pixar excepted, but they're aren't in Hollywood, anyway.)
I don't know a lot about this stuff (I'm no Whiskey!) but my first thought was that the Dems believe Hollywood (like white America) is old and declining whilst the new tech companies are the future so it's time to move on.
ReplyDeleteBTW are there any major obstacles to companies like Google creating their own content cutting out the old studios and media? And if some of these companies were to capture sports properties* - Apple is rumoured to be interested in challenging News Corp's Sky (Rupert Murdoch) for English Premier League soccer rights - wouldn't that lead to millions of cable subscribers cutting the cord and with it the monthly payments needed to sustain much of the entertainment industry?
* I've noticed that instead of the usual three to five year deals for the rights to certain sports properties ESPN and their Canadian and European equivalents are suddenly going all in for long term contracts of around ten years. It smacks of desperation to keep sport off the internet and on cable.
"BTW are there any major obstacles to companies like Google creating their own content cutting out the old studios and media?"
DeleteUmmm...the Jewish mafia?
Severn, don't be an idiot. Complaining to your congressman has never accomplished anything. One call from a VIP in Silicon Valley (or Hollywood) has more effect than thousands of letters from the Great Unwashed (which the pols never read anyway).
DeleteThis was a battle between major powers, the little people had nothing to do with the outcome.
The question is whether the Internet is more use to the thought police as it is, given they can track sites like this to monitor enemies of the people (eg Mangan), or shut it down to prevent contagion by right wing ideas.
ReplyDeleteAnon.
"Seriously, what kind of an idiot doesn't realize that the altright is 100% on the side of inteligent, hardworking Silicon Valley engineers, and 100% against the soft porn pimps of Hollywood?"
ReplyDelete+1
Also it is ridiculous that anyone on the altright would not realize that if you have a crime virtually every site with user generated content if not every site ever is guilty of (having copyrighted material or linking to sites that do) it will be selectively employed. No one will ever shut down youtube or wikipedia no matter how those guys fear it. Someone might shut down vdare or alternative right or any number of such sites or as an excuse for blog providers to harshen their terms of use ("The hates site has also been linked to copyright violations, which caused it to be shut down earlier this year...").
If you give them the right to block websites to force google to remove certain sites from its results... in other words provide them with the legal infrastructure to do what China or Iran are doing, don't be surprised if the only way to read dissident websites in a few years will be through tor.
Fuck holywood, it has been a political correct propaganda machine. Without youtube there would be nor Ramzpaul
ReplyDeleteWithout internet freedom online there IS NO alternative right. Without piracy of movies, music and games one can't enjoy old quality movies without paying for the making of more anti-white brainwashing material.
The (illegal I admit) freedom not to pay for mass produced culture, makes it much easier to not support it. I can still watch a movie with non-altright friends and not feel bad because I didn't pay any movie tickets for it, neither was I boosting the ratings of or paying a subscription to any networks.
Starve the beast!
As bad as the leftist/libertardian Silicon Valley people are, they are 100x better than that jewish malignant tumor that is Hollywood. The internet made us all. Hollywood made no one.
ReplyDeleteThe writer in the linked article doesn't know what he's talking about; this is NOT a battle between 'Hollywood' and 'Silicon Valley'; net-accessed entertainment content is win-win for each; Google/youtube has been in absolute cahoots with the industry during the last several years in their mutually interested efforts to nurse, develop and shape online-content markets; note how youtube frequently avails (by not deleting or taking down) many to most top movies, classics, songs, albums, etc., and then suddenly takes it down and leaves a 'copyright-complaint' prompt in its wake: they let it slide to whet the public's appetite to this new format, allowing the public to get used to it and developed well-reasearched urges, impulses and tastes.
ReplyDeleteExpect the bait-and-switch volleys to go on for another year or two and then you'll see Google/youtube develop a pay-site format, probably something akin to iTunes, for its web-entertainment content, coinciding with much-improved audio and video compared to what you get on youtube nowadays.
I notice that, frequently when the alt-right tries to analyze the politics of Hollywood and IT-entertainment, they greatly to wholly ignore the money trails.
"In what appears to be a sudden outbreak of mass amnesia, each and every Alt-Righter mysteriously forgets the last names of Google and Facebook's founders."
ReplyDeleteGoogle may develop a pay-site format but that is a sideline to their core income generator which is, like Facebook's, you.
ReplyDeleteYou are their income. Everything you do on their sites is tracked, traced and marketed. They don't need pay-sites, your web traffic is already paying them as they sell those details off to the highest bidder.
Pretty soon I'm told that Facebook would rival some of the largest banks with the money that users have put in just for online games.
Think of how much information Facebook has on those who live their life on it. Think about Google and its maps that have taken MAC addresses for each wifi router as the car goes past. No need for cell-phone triangulation when you have constant updates from the nearest access point.
All of this information can easily be gathered with other software that crawls Google, Facebook, Blogs, Twitter, web sites etc and gathers that information with a back end database. Combine with CLI of your phone and - you just got the best information you are ever going to sell to a call centre.
There are already sites that can give you details on income, address, marital status, children, superannuation fund, property value, hobbies, holiday patterns on and on.
The gold here is...you. That's what is being mined.
With Facebook and Google YOU are the mass-marketed product. Sucker!
DeletePeople here need to watch this ---> http://youtu.be/tzqMoOk9NWc
ReplyDeleteThis whole episode has left a bad taste in my mouth. The supposed protection of intellectual property may have been pushed by Hollywood but I can't help but think that it was also a Trojan Horse for other purposes, those being the increased control of the internet by the government. Controlling and spinning information available to the public is a goal of most governments and they've probably been eying the internet for some time now with increased concern. They'll be back later with other pretexts: national security, "temporary" emergency measures, protecting the rights of some group or other, alleged cyber-war by bad people or countries, the list is limited only by your imagination.
ReplyDeleteNext time they'll throw a scare into the public first before slipping their hooks in; panic mongering is usually the most effective way of ratcheting things up. No crisis should go to waste and if there doesn't happen to be one then an artificial one can be inflated as a bogeyman with which to frighten people. The Hollywood angle may have been a little too mundane to be sold; just didn't sound compelling enough.
Hats off to all the folks who saw this coming and rallied against it. The internet is what brought it all together. The internet is a tool of freedom, allowing people to engage in a real democracy of thinking and discussing things and allowing them to make an end run around the phony, hollow puppet show being peddled as our official democracy.
Internet good. Ruling class bad.
ReplyDeletewhat kind of an idiot doesn't realize that the altright is 100% on the side of inteligent, hardworking Silicon Valley engineers, and 100% against the soft porn pimps of Hollywood?
ReplyDeleteI guess I'm not "altright" then, because Silicon Vally and Hollywood strike me as being two different factions of the left. We may side with one or the other in some particular battle, but we're certainly not "100%" on the side of SV, which is certainly not composed purely of "hardworking engineers".
If SOPA dies it won't be because of Wikipedia and still less because of Google. It will be because million of individual Americans wrote their Congressman objecting to it.
ReplyDeleteHollywood has always been about two things: (1) squeezing as much money as possible out of the entertainment "consumer" (2) advancing leftwing and Jewish interests.
ReplyDeleteFortunately for Hollywood, your typical American respects money grubbing parasites who squeeze the eagle till it screams and lots of Southern boys and left-wing Northerners worship Jews - so they like Hollywood too.
Thank Goodness the Jews that control Facebook, google, and wikpedia stepped in. 'Cause if it was up the Goys we'd have a internet completely controlled by Hollywood.
Thank Goodness the Jews that control Facebook, google, and wikpedia stepped in
ReplyDeleteRemind me again what Google had to do with derailing SOPA.
Google it!
DeleteBTW, I'm not aware of Wikipedia being particularly Jew-dominated.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Are you under the impression that those 4.5 million people (plus the many millions of other people who called or wrote their Congressman) were Google employees?
DeleteIf millions of Americans write to their Congresscritters to kill an amnesty bill, that is not properly described as "NumbersUSA stepping in", even if some of the people used NumbersUSA to send faxes.
Oh, I understand. I thought you were implying that Google had not contributed, while Wikipedia, Facebook, et al, had.
DeleteYou believe it's all about the masses; very well, that may be true.
I'm not aware of Wikipedia being particularly Jew-dominated
ReplyDeleteWhat? That's a brilliant rebuttal to a claim I never made. I think your reflexive defensiveness where Jews are concerned is causing your fingers to get ahead of your brain.
It wasn't a reply to you in particular. I was just putting that out there.
DeleteI'm not aware of Wikipedia being particularly Jew-dominated
DeleteI'm not aware of any non-Jews that edit Wikipedia, although I suppose there have to be some.
http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/The_Wikipedia_Jews
Please tell me you're not seriously using ED a credible source of information.
DeleteSevern, don't be an idiot. Complaining to Congressmen has never made a difference on anything. One call from a VIP in Silicon Valley (or Hollwood and Wall St.) has more effect than thousands of letters from the Great Unwashed (which the polls never read anyway).
ReplyDeleteThis was a battle between major powers, nothing to do with the Little People.
Google's business model has been described as ensuring that all the efforts of others' remain free for the purpose of advertising. For this reason hardly anyone makes money publishing content. They were not doing this for free speech reasons. Basically they thrive on sailing close to the wind. For the moment their interests and that of the populace at large coincide. Congress was not about to pass a law that would deprive teenagers and young adults of their daily fix of free games, music and movies. The ensuing rage would have swept out the whole raft of politicians including Obama.
ReplyDelete