Saturday, January 21, 2012

The Great Class Divide

Charles Murray has an article in the WSJ called The New American Divide, which outlines the theme of an emergent cultural shift among white Americans, from his much-discussed new book. After an exposition of the characteristics of the new divide, such as in rates of marriage, illegitimacy, workforce participation, and crime, Murray elaborates on some of the reasons for its emergence.
Why have these new lower and upper classes emerged? For explaining the formation of the new lower class, the easy explanations from the left don't withstand scrutiny. It's not that white working class males can no longer make a "family wage" that enables them to marry. The average male employed in a working-class occupation earned as much in 2010 as he did in 1960. It's not that a bad job market led discouraged men to drop out of the labor force. Labor-force dropout increased just as fast during the boom years of the 1980s, 1990s and 2000s as it did during bad years.

As I've argued in much of my previous work, I think that the reforms of the 1960s jump-started the deterioration. Changes in social policy during the 1960s made it economically more feasible to have a child without having a husband if you were a woman or to get along without a job if you were a man; safer to commit crimes without suffering consequences; and easier to let the government deal with problems in your community that you and your neighbors formerly had to take care of.

But, for practical purposes, understanding why the new lower class got started isn't especially important. Once the deterioration was under way, a self-reinforcing loop took hold as traditionally powerful social norms broke down. Because the process has become self-reinforcing, repealing the reforms of the 1960s (something that's not going to happen) would change the trends slowly at best.

Meanwhile, the formation of the new upper class has been driven by forces that are nobody's fault and resist manipulation. The economic value of brains in the marketplace will continue to increase no matter what, and the most successful of each generation will tend to marry each other no matter what. As a result, the most successful Americans will continue to trend toward consolidation and isolation as a class. Changes in marginal tax rates on the wealthy won't make a difference. Increasing scholarships for working-class children won't make a difference.
It's all a matter of incentives. While lower class people may have - on average! - lower IQs, higher time preference, greater impulsivity, and the like, they, like people everywhere, act in their own self-interest. If it's just as easy to remain outside the workforce as inside it, or as easy to have a child without a pesky husband around, then people will do these things.

One area where I would disagree with Murray is when he writes that the "average male employed in a working-class occupation earned as much in 2010 as he did in 1960." While from a strictly numbers-based standpoint that may be true (I haven't looked up the figures), reality says otherwise. The "reforms" of the 1960s included immigration "reform", and besides that we've had massive illegal immigration as well. Before the 60s, a working-class salary would have sufficed for one to raise a family in a low-crime, white neighborhood with good public schools. Today, not so much. The numbers don't properly reflect the reality.

Another aspect of work now is its uncertainty. Whereas the working stiff pre-60s could reasonably expect to work nearly a lifetime at a decent, possibly union, job, today that worker faces a shifting work environment that could result in a layoff at any time. This will also cause men to be wary of launching into the enterprise of starting a family and working hard toward it.

And then there's no-fault divorce. The upper classes don't worry as much about this because upper-class women are more inclined to have the sort of values that make them stick around and care for their families. Even if awareness of divorce theft is only now dawning on the average man, subconsciously many men must realize that the odds of keeping one's family intact have dropped considerably. That's another impact on incentives.

I'm old enough to remember when cohabitation was very much frowned upon, and I still have the attitude that it's something a decent person - especially a woman - doesn't do. But there don't seem to be too many like me left. Even people older than myself accept it. This touches upon another reason for the social changes Murray describes: the older generation has abdicated some of their moral responsibility, and society as a whole no longer believes in expressing disapproval or shaming the objects of that disapproval.

92 comments:

  1. FWIW, I'm pretty sure no-fault divorce counts as a "change in social policy".

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  2. The average male employed in a working-class occupation earned as much in 2010 as he did in 1960.


    Yes, but less than he did in the 1970s.


    the formation of the new upper class has been driven by forces that are nobody's fault and resist manipulation. The economic value of brains in the marketplace will continue to increase no matter what, and the most successful of each generation will tend to marry each other no matter what.

    Up until a few years ago, the successful of each generation were all men. And men were not marrying each other.

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  3. This is something I've definitley noticed here in Texas. White people seem to be braking into three factions - prole, middle class and rich. I would loosely say that it breaks down about 40%, 40%, 20%. Im guessing 50 years ago it would have been about 20%, 70%, 10%. In 15 years it will probably be like 50%, 25%, 25%. While techincally these may be the same race, the gulf between the lower and upper groups is about as big between any races you will see in appearance, intelligence, occupation and education and even in a way a form of segregation of these groups in terms of the neighberhoods where they live in.

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  4. I think that the reforms of the 1960s jump-started the deterioration .... changes in social policy during the 1960s .... the formation of the new upper class has been driven by forces that are nobody's fault and resist manipulation.


    Does he really not see the contradiction here? The increasingly distinct upper and lower social classes among whites are a result of "reforms" and "changes in social policy". To the extent that these were damaging changes, we can say that somebody was at fault. And since people made these changes in policy, it's peculiar to assert that further changes cannot be made.

    I see this all the time in Murray. He will correctly diagnose a problem, but then shrug his shoulders and say that nothing can be done about it. In this particular instance it's hard not to suspect that he approves on the social phenomena in question. I don't think he's all that concerned about the splitting of whites onto different and antagonistic classes.

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    1. Well, at the end he pleads with upper class Americans to go forth and exercise noblesse oblige among the proles.
      How do you interpret that?

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    2. I interpret it as strongly supporting my contention. If I was wrong, he'd be pleading with upper class Americans to change policy. "Noblesse oblige among the proles" implicitly accepts the status quo.

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    3. "IHTGJan 21, 2012 11:53 AM

      Well, at the end he pleads with upper class Americans to go forth and exercise noblesse oblige among the proles."

      Changing the policies which sharpen those class distinctions would be Noblesse Oblige. Nowadays, however, our nobles aren't very obliging. I predict that within one or two hundred years, the wealthy in this country will be a patrician class every bit as arrogant and haughty as the aristocracy of medieval Europe.

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    4. Well...Murray is clearly a conservative, not a reactionary. He's all about proposals that reverse harmful trends over time, in an organic way, rather than brute-force quick solutions.

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    5. >>> I predict that within one or two hundred years, the wealthy in this country will be a patrician class every bit as arrogant and haughty as the aristocracy of medieval Europe.

      Probably will come to pass. It would be interesting to observe. The class will most likely be a Caucasian, Jewish, Asian, hybrid.

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    6. I predict that within one or two hundred years, the wealthy in this country will be a patrician class every bit as arrogant and haughty as the aristocracy of medieval Europe.

      Thank God! Then maybe we can have a real *high* culture again, people can start dressing well again, use of language will become sophisticated and elaborate again, politeness and good manners will come back into fashion, we will rediscover pride in ourselves, art, literature, music, and architecture will flourish again, the concept of *beauty* will return to favor.

      This egalitarian-proletarian society bullshit ended up creating one of the most hideous societies the world has ever known. Hopefully it was just a phase!

      Oh, and since whites have lost the ability to move humanity forward, and Asians never had much of it anyways, what the world needs is precisely a new hybrid man that combines the best elements of all races - without that, we are doomed to stagnation.

      And white nationalists like severn and the other fools will slowly fade into irrelevance, lol. Maybe the long-term future for America aint so bad after all ;)

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    7. Oh, and since whites have lost the ability to move humanity forward, and Asians never had much of it anyways, what the world needs is precisely a new hybrid man that combines the best elements of all races - without that, we are doomed to stagnation.

      But of course the hybrids you envision are likely to combine the worst elements of these three races since their ascendancy is due to their excelling at non-productive rent-seeking behavior.

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    8. their ascendancy is due to their excelling at non-productive rent-seeking behavior.

      You mean kind of like the aristocracy of Europe for most of history which nevertheless produced so much talent? An aristocracy is by definition a non-productive rent-seeking class. It is always the class that organizes and directs the labor of others, just like what is emerging today. Executive talent is always rarer and more prestigious than mere productive labor, which is common.

      Any man of talent and ambition always strives to leave the *productive laboring* class and enter the executive class if he is capable of doing so. No - the new hybrids will be the best elements of the three races.

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    9. You mean kind of like the aristocracy of Europe for most of history which nevertheless produced so much talent?


      You just keep on trolling, don't you?

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    10. Perhaps singed by the criticism of the racial aspects of The Bell Curve which he co-authored, Murray has shifted his ground to a sociological theory based on the dominance of a "cognitive elite."

      This does not seem convincing to me. If a "cognitive elite" is running things, why is our public life -- everything from Congress to foreign policy -- so dysfunctional? An elite should be made of sterner stuff.

      Insofar as there is some kind of brainpower elite, it is mostly found in the research and development departments of technical companies (hardly the best-paid or most powerful positions, and not very prestigious either: "nerds") and in money management, e.g., those who run hedge funds. The latter may be very rich but not especially influential outside their profession.

      Murray's theory also fails to account for one of the strangest and most disturbing phenomena in the contemporary Western world: the dominance of working-class and no-class manners, speech, and morals in what used to be called polite society. Since the '60s it has been fashionable among the well-off to imitate ghetto styles, with perhaps a touch of irony -- like wearing a sport jacket with work clothing to show you're not really from that grotty world.

      Leftist politics and multi-culturalism, plus as always how much money a person has or earns, define class and class behavior far more than purely cognitive factors.

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  5. The average male employed in a working-class occupation earned as much in 2010 as he did in 1960.

    These figures are always in various hedonics adjusted and manipulated economic terms.

    They're never in terms of what matters to most men - the ability to obtain a wife and afford a family and children.

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  6. "AnonymousJan 21, 2012 11:49 AM

    ""The average male employed in a working-class occupation earned as much in 2010 as he did in 1960.""

    These figures are always in various hedonics adjusted and manipulated economic terms. They're never in terms of what matters to most men - the ability to obtain a wife and afford a family and children."

    I agree. The fact that the average man is able to purchase as much entertainment today (beer and an X-box) as he did in 1960 (beer and pinball) is not particularly relevant.

    Moreover, it stands to reason that it is not possible to vastly increase the number of people (i.e., women and immigrants) who compete for many of the jobs that american men did and do, without putting downward pressure on their wages. I think it's called the law of supply and.....something or other - it's a highly technical concept, understood only by the most mathematically inclined economists.

    That economists, of all people, should feign ignorance of such a basic economic principal only betrays their biases.

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  7. I like Charles Murray, but this rings false,

    "safer to commit crimes without suffering consequences"

    Prison isn't any nicer today than it was in the 60s, and it's a lot easier for a criminal to get caught today (with ubiquitous surveillance cameras, cell phone cameras, etc.).

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    1. I'm not sure what Murray means by this, but I think he is right. In the 60s, committing a crime or even just standing around looking seedy was a good way to get the attention of the cops. And cops tended to pay attention via their fists and nightsticks.

      People with poor impulse control and weak future time orientation are likely to respond better to incentives which come *right now*. Criminals are really dumb, and some vague risk of prison sometime off in the future is not really real to the seriously stupid.

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  8. "RicardoJan 21, 2012 12:13 PM

    I like Charles Murray, but this rings false,

    "safer to commit crimes without suffering consequences""

    That struck me too. I think it is true that society today is much more tolerant of the kind of attitudes which help breed crime. But it certainly isn't easier to get away with crime today than it was fifty years ago.

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  9. I see this all the time in Murray. He will correctly diagnose a problem, but then shrug his shoulders and say that nothing can be done about it. In this particular instance it's hard not to suspect that he approves on the social phenomena in question. I don't think he's all that concerned about the splitting of whites onto different and antagonistic classes.

    His livelihood depends on getting paid by people who shape policy (foundations, the media, etc). He probably feels like he can't be too critical or radical.

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  10. To his credit, Murray proposed the radical idea of a citizen's dividend to replace the welfare state in his book In Our Hands: A Plan To Replace The Welfare State which came out in 2006. He proposed a citizen's dividend of $10,000 per year for every citizen aged 21 and above while abolishing all government welfare programs.

    This would greatly undermine or destroy much of public sector rent-seeking, but it doesn't attack private sector rent-seeking, so it's more palatable to the elites and probably why he was able to put it out there.

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  11. Whereas the working stiff pre-60s could reasonably expect to work nearly a lifetime at a decent, possibly union, job, today that worker faces a shifting work environment that could result in a layoff at any time.

    Importantly, this factor is no longer restricted to blue collar workers. That's the situation where 95%+ of engineers and industrial scientists find themselves in these days (and academics, if one did not manage to get a tenured job).

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  12. Dennis, I'm glad you mentioned uncertainty as a big issue in family formation.I'd say many people from lower middle-class backgrounds put off having kids or getting married for this reason.

    I partly disagree with Murray's idea about welfare having a big influence on men's lifestyle choices. Certainly low IQ women often become solo mothers because they don't want to do unappealing, poorly paid work cleaning, working in factories etc, but few lower class men would chose to go through all the hoops needed to access temporary unemployment benefits which don't pay much anyway. Even drug dealers would probably not want to complicate their lives by going on unemployment benefits, as this might bring unwelcome attention from the authorities.

    If welfare makes men more irresponsible, it's because it means they can start and abandon families knowing the state will look after their offspring, not because it discourages they from looking for work (unless its very generous as in parts of Europe).

    In New Zealand, for example many lower-class men have a couple of kids, and then run off to Australia where they can get higher wages, while the government unsuccessfully tries to force them into sending back child support.

    The biggest welfare recipients are the elderly, followed by solo mothers. Single males on unemployment benefits only account for a small percentage of welfare spending in most western countries.

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  13. From Murray:
    "Why have these new lower and upper classes emerged? For explaining the formation of the new lower class, the easy explanations from the left don't withstand scrutiny. It's not that white working class males can no longer make a "family wage" that enables them to marry. The average male employed in a working-class occupation earned as much in 2010 as he did in 1960. "

    Murray employs words like "average" and studiously avoids words like "median".

    Easy explanations from the left, he writes? Would the left include
    The Mises Institute?

    "In the last two episodes of major credit expansion, however, and over the last several decades as a whole, real wages have largely stagnated. This stagnation is the result of massive government intervention into the economic system that undermines capital accumulation and both the demand for labor and the productivity of labor. It is not the result of economic inequality, the profit motive, or any other aspect of the capitalist system."

    Here is another leftist, Richard Posner

    "Between 1997 and 2008, median U.S. household income fell by 4 percent after adjustment for inflation. It presumably did not rise in 2009, and may not in 2010 either. A median is not an average; average income rose because the incomes of high earners rose, and so the effect was to increase the inequality of the income distribution."

    Although reading Posner's full blog post tells me why the term "conservative" is today held in such disrepute: Among other things, he decries "immigration restrictions" as a solution. Heavens, no! As Martin B. alluded to earlier, supply and demand, what's that? Certainly not something any self-respecting economist should pay any attention to.

    Here's a quote from Tyler Cowen who writes for the NYT and so cannot be perceived as right wing:

    "From 1947 to 1973 – a period of just 26 years – inflation-adjusted median income in the United States more than doubled. But in the 31 years from 1973 to 2004, it rose only 22 percent. And, over the last decade, it actually declined."

    My essential point is that one can easily find views from both the left and right which state that median wages have stagnated or even declined.


    Murray writes: "It's not that white working class males can no longer make a "family wage" that enables them to marry."

    This statement, try unsubstantiated assertion, leaves me speechless.

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    1. This stagnation is the result of massive government intervention into the economic system that undermines capital accumulation and both the demand for labor and the productivity of labor. It is not the result of economic inequality, the profit motive, or any other aspect of the capitalist system."


      It is at least partly the result of some aspects of the capitalist system. It is capitalists who are eagerly outsourcing American jobs abroad, while at the same time they lobby the government for de facto open borders and cheaper labor.

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    2. I agree, Severn. Your reply reminds me of the views of Sam Francis on this same topic.

      Here is a passage from a review of his last book:

      For all his greatness, Burke bequeathed to conservatism a fatal flaw that would help make it the Stupid Party, forever undermining its own true role. The flaw was his trust in Whiggery and in the capitalism preached by his friend Adam Smith. With their creed of “creative destruction”, British Whigs and capitalists were the ideological cousins of the French revolutionaries that Burke denounced. In the long run they were no less foes of the Western heritage, but were allowed to pose as defenders and extenders of that heritage. Whiggery and capitalism might both be good things in moderation, but they are tied to a modernity which is always out of control. [...]

      Burke granted the enemy premise that the modern agendas of Progress and Profit were compatible with the good stewardship of an actual human society. He thus addled the brains of conservatism as to its proper duty, which was to defy the “creative destruction” doctrine on behalf of what we might call “creative continuity”.

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  14. pouring concrete there is a phrase, slump, it refers to the water content of the mix. An inspector does a simple test and if its right they pour the mix. When the slump is small the mix is very hard to pour, finish or pump. You hear, give it five more gallons, and the driver of the concrete truck adds water. And hopefully the inspector isn't watching.
    In the old days maybe there wasn't any water to add. You worked through the tough spots because the alternative was failure. Today there is water on every side and the inspector (aka government) is out buying your lunch.

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  15. The average male employed in a working-class occupation earned as much in 2010 as he did in 1960.

    I presume this means gross income. But higher taxes and the costs of commuting or private school tuition never seem to be accounted for.

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  16. "safer to commit crimes without suffering consequences."


    This statement does admit of a lot of ambiguity. On the one hand, for quite a long time now, probably since the late '80's (I was working in the court system at that time), it has been very difficult to receive any jail or prison time for a first-offense property crime or battery not resulting in death. In the last 15 yrs, this trend has become even sharper with minority males, because various community activist organizations now agitate for diversion for all but the worst crimes. On the other hand, for a white male even a misdemeanor conviction, with no jail time, might severely curtail employment chances given cheap and easy computer searches by employers. In California, it has long been unlawful for employers to ask about arrests, but they do so routinely nevertheless.

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  17. Since abolishing the state and going with a pure anarcho-capitalist solution is too radical for most people, including myself, the solution must obviously include the abolition of universal suffrage and its replacement with an electorate of net taxpayers. That's no less plausible than noblesse oblige from the Spielberg and Hilton set, though I'll allow that some rich people are better than that.

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  18. I'm disappointed that this version of blogger / blogspot doesn't support apostrophes in usernames, and a little surprised that some do and some don't.

    I suppose I will think about removing the apostrophe from my username.

    *cry*

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    1. Deep down, you know you'll always be BLode. ;)

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  19. poultry inspectorJan 21, 2012 05:37 PM

    Moreover, it stands to reason that it is not possible to vastly increase the number of people (i.e., women and immigrants) who compete for many of the jobs that american men did and do, without putting downward pressure on their wages. I think it's called the law of supply and.....something or other - it's a highly technical concept, understood only by the most mathematically inclined economists.

    That economists, of all people, should feign ignorance of such a basic economic principal only betrays their biases


    Most of them who appear in MSM would be better described as agitators than economists. Just one thing that springs to mind: the concept of "jobs Americans won't do" is meaningless unless you name the wage they won't do it for.

    Regarding the consequences of committing crimes: quite apart from any judicial punishment, you have to take into acccount the diminished role that shame and social ostracism play nowadays in deterring people from breaking the law.

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  20. I recently read a book titled, "Somebody Has To Fail" http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0674050681 in which the author opines that every time the educational ante is upped, those at the top rungs just move up a rung, which means everyone keeps their places. I believe that he is correct. Those who used to be content with an AA now get a BA those who were content with a BA now get Masters'. Employers act accordingly to keep the same intellectual class of employees. It is actually the demand for degrees on the part of employers that enforces inequality(if you believe in it). In the old days experience, smarts and talent counted for everything. You could move up in a bank, tv station, business, corporation, etc. by working hard and showing your boss what you could do. Strangely enough, it was only after the great cultural revolution that everyone started demanding that everyone get an avanced education. The lefties actually are responsible for keeping the lower classs down by emphasizing college.

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    1. How else can they screen, in light of grade inflation and dumbing-down? Employers used to give IQ or aptitude tests to applicants, then train the successful ones. This approach was largely abandoned after Griggs v Duke Power.

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    2. Credentialism is a result of government interference in hiring, firing, and promoting. In order to satisfy the regulator's demand for proof that you haven't discriminated, you need to point to something objective like these pieces of paper, because your "subjective" judgment of which candidate was more qualified won't hold up in court.

      The government's next move was to ensure that the preferred minorities got their "fair share" of the necessary credentials -- which meant the "credentials" have had to be watered down so much that they no longer give credence to the idea that their bearers are competent.

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  21. poultry inspector: "the concept of "jobs Americans won't do" is meaningless unless you name the wage they won't do it for."

    And also, once a job sector becomes largely staffed by non-whites, it tends to drive White people away. It isn't the job itself, it's having to work in a non-white environment.

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  22. Murray: "I think that the reforms of the 1960s jump-started the deterioration / a self-reinforcing loop took hold as traditionally powerful social norms broke down"

    Is he suggesting that the reforms of the 1960s caused tradition to break down? There have been many other social changes. Society has become less cohesive. Most people no longer live in small towns or in the countryside. Most people have become salaried employees. They watch too much TV. Today's dominant view comes from the Jewish media and doesn't reflect normal White people's views. Today's unqualified jobs are socially less interesting than they were fifty years ago. Immigration has atomized society even more, especially for the lower class. And so on. As a result, it is harder to be satisfied with a low paid, uninteresting job.

    "The economic value of brains in the marketplace will continue to increase no matter what"

    The question is whether those brains are only an asset to their owners, or to society as a whole. In today's system, White people's brains are not used in the best way. Many smart people work in parasitic professions that do not benefit society. Others are underemployed because the industrial base has been moved to China. Recreating local industries would be a good way to give interesting jobs both to the smart and the stupid. Some protectionist measures are needed.

    "the most successful Americans will continue to trend toward consolidation and isolation as a class / Increasing scholarships for working-class children won't make a difference"

    Murray is an arrogant jerk. Of course, some people are smarter than others. It has always been so. But still, society worked better fifty years ago, when the social divide was less obvious. It is now becoming crucial for the White lower class and the White upper class to close ranks in order to resist displacement by other races. But Murray doesn't care. He would rather keep writing articles for the Jews.

    From Wikipedia :
    In the April, 2007 issue of Commentary Magazine, Murray wrote on the disproportionate representation of Jews in the ranks of outstanding achievers and says that one of the reasons is that Jews "have been found to have an unusually high mean intelligence as measured by IQ tests since the first Jewish samples were tested." His article concludes with the assertion: "At this point, I take sanctuary in my remaining hypothesis, uniquely parsimonious and happily irrefutable. The Jews are God's chosen people."

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  23. >>the older generation has abdicated some of their moral responsibility<<

    I read once the "Silent Generation"- those ahead of the Baby Boomers- actually had lower levels of traditionally moral behavior. Remembering the 70's, the older generation went out and did their own thing as soon as they were able. They missed out on the 60's but made up for it with a vengeance.

    >>And also, once a job sector becomes largely staffed by non-whites, it tends to drive White people away. It isn't the job itself, it's having to work in a non-white environment.<<

    White people can usually deal with working with non-whites, but when non-whites reach a certain critical mass they dominate and don't want whites around any more. To keep the peace the supervisors- who are often at this point non-white themselves, because it's easier to get non-whites to work for non-whites- only hire non-whites.

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  24. "the older generation has abdicated some of their moral responsibility, and society as a whole no longer believes in expressing disapproval or shaming the objects of that disapproval."

    In some cases, society has actually banned the expression of disapproval or shame. For instance, landlords and hoteliers can no longer refuse to rent to unmarried couples in some states because of anti-discrimination laws that make marital status a protected class.

    This deprives moral traditionalists of any geographic space to prove the superiority of their culture, and so their views come off as abstract opinions irrelevant to the real world.

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  25. "average male employed in a working-class occupation earned as much in 2010 as he did in 1960." A few other commenters have take issue with this already, but IMO 'stagnation' is a more fitting term than staying the same. Charles Murray is technically correct in saying this, in that real incomes for the working class haven't actually changed much. BTW, this is a first in American economic history.
    This can be contrasted with the top >1% of income earners, who have seen their incomes rocket throughout that period. It would be pretty tendentious to argue that relative levels of wealth & income have no bearing on class.
    Also, Murray's statistics are pretty dismaying. Compared to other demographically similar countries, American divorce rates for the white lower and middle classes probably on the high side. But it's not like pre-1960's family life was like something out of a Norm Rockwell painting. A lot of people, particularly women, were stuck in miserable or abuse marriages.

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  26. "But it certainly isn't easier to get away with crime today than it was fifty years ago."

    That depends where you live. There is no rule of law in the underclass areas. None. There's a roulette of law that more or less randomly scoops up the politically acceptable percentage of criminals but unless there's an actual body you'll mostly get away with it - and a lot of the time even if there is.

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    1. cherub&#39;s revengeJan 22, 2012 10:34 AM

      Yep, this is how it works. I have four rental properties in the South East of Chicago and Northwest Indiana with White lower-class tenants - the few remaining holding on by their fingernails.

      On those properties in the last two years my tenants (and me,or my insurance co. to be exact) have been the victims of two burglaries, one auto theft, one grand larceny, an arson, and an attempted murder.

      0 arrests, 0 convictions. I get a police report and a business card from the detective or fire marshal investigator and that's the last I hear of it.

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    2. Exactly. They don't even bother because if they locked people up in proportion to the actual amount of crime you'd need another couple of million places - and a complete halt to immigration so there's not more every year - but at the same time not doing that allows it to keep getting worse.

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  27. A lot of people, particularly women, were stuck in miserable or abuse marriages.


    Yeah, and they had to wear those crazy head to toe coverings, weren't allowed to drive cars, had to get down on their hands and knees to scrub the floors, were barefoot and pregnant all the time, and their husbands like fucking goats as well.

    All in all, pretty nasty.

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  28. Murray is a shill-whore for the globalists who've wrecked America who want to pretend it's a meritocracy and all about brains.

    There are three factors:

    1) Social policies that undermined families and traditional vaues. He says himself

    "I think that the reforms of the 1960s jump-started the deterioration"

    but

    "for practical purposes..repealing the reforms of the 1960s (something that's not going to happen) would change the trends slowly at best."

    So, he says certain values are a critical factor in the success of one group but those values should not be promoted to a second group.

    2) The decline in the net income of the broad middle has been caused by a combination of two things:

    a) Male income flat-lined from the 70s onwards as a result of the 1965 immigration act - simple supply and demand. It flat-lined rather than went down because of the huge increases in productivity caused by computerization.
    b) White flight to the suburbs to avoid black crime and integrated schools after desegregation created a massive increase in housing costs as a proportion of outgoings and the need for two cars.

    The gap was closed by women going out to work but only a fraction of the benefit from that extra income applies because of things like childcare and reinforcing the need for two cars. The end result is a two-income family who can afford a house in the suburbs but has less money left over than their parent's one-income family had.

    It's all explained very well here (it's long but very clear). She's a liberal so she doesn't get into *why* male income flatlined or *why* people moved out to the suburbs or *why* getting away from inner-city schools was so important but apart from that the underlying mechanism behind the destruction of the middle class is all there.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akVL7QY0S8A

    3) Over the same period there's been a huge (and increasing) acceleration in the wealth of the elite as a result of
    - opening the borders
    - offshoring
    - Wall St. banksterism.

    It's not brains. It's betrayal. At best you could say it's high IQ applied to betrayal.

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    1. Wandrin: " a) Male income flat-lined from the 70s onwards as a result of the 1965 immigration act b) a massive increase in housing costs "

      You forgot to mention increased taxation in order to provide welfare and services to Blacks and third-world immigrants.

      "It's all explained very well here (it's long but very clear). She's a liberal so she doesn't get into *why* "

      Elizabeth Warren doesn't blame immigration and forced integration, but "creative banking", and the rich becoming richer at the expense of the middle class. Some people are beginning to wonder if she's fake : Google: Warren + immigration.

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    2. cherubs revengeJan 22, 2012 03:24 PM

      I wasted about 40 minutes watching that. There's no way someone can draw up such an accurate picture of the symptoms as she did and avoid diagnosing the underlying disease unless they're doing it purposefully.

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    3. Exactly! As a liberal, Elizabeth Warren may be reluctant to raise certain touchy issues or perhaps they even fall into her blindspot, but her general analysis is dead-on correct. Meanwhile, "conservative" Charles Murray is just a dishonest and disgusting shill for his paymasters...

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    4. Warren shows that wages have gone up, but what people are spending more money on is housing, education, and medical care. As Ron Paul pointed out in his speech last night, those just happen to be the three areas government is most involved in. Is that a coincide? Does Warren advocate getting the government out of housing, education, and medicine? I don't know, but if she doesn't then she has no solution.

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    5. I quit watching at 9 min, where she was puzzled over what makes working mothers commute to work from 'burbs instead of living in the city, close to work. If she is this clueless, chances that she has something insightful are pretty slim.

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  29. Addendum, forgot to add education costs to the increasing middle class costs. As the potential price of not being able to afford the suburbs gets more extreme so access to the kind of salary that guarantees the safety of suburban living becomes more critical. College degrees provide that access.

    "The economic value of brains in the marketplace will continue to increase no matter what"

    It's this that shows he's a shill. The economic value of brains in IT, Science and Engineering is being aggressively devalued by H1Bs. The only brains he's talking about are those of the ruling elite.

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  31. Penycillin, the Pill, SSRI antidepressants, Social Security cheques, etc. threw the working classes out of balance. Preaching and moralizing are impotent against social reality.

    Yet I am optimist. The coming competition with China will sober up America and revive its spirit.

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  32. "Preaching and moralizing are impotent against social reality."

    Half-true, although the cultural aspect is important, focusing on it exclusively mainly acts as a distraction from the changes the treachorous ruling elite made to the social reality:
    - opening the borders to cheap labor
    - desegregation and the surrender of the cities to violent crime
    - destruction of public schools
    - offshoring
    - Wall St. more or less openly coming out as a crime syndicate
    - the political establishment more or less openly coming out as a fully owned subsidiary of Wall St.

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  33. "peterike" left the following comment, but I need to edit one thing. Unfortunately the only way I can do it is this way and deleting the original.
    I'd like to remind readers that anything whatsoever that suggests the condoning of violence will be deleted. peterike's comment is otherwise a good one so I'm presenting it here.

    "In terms of crime rates, I looked at the data around number of criminal defendants and number convicted in US District Courts, data here:

    http://www.albany.edu/sourcebook/pdf/t5222010.pdf

    I plotted the two lines against one another, and sure enough you start a huge leap in criminal defendants right around 1968 -- the line goes almost vertical for a few years -- and the gap between defendants and convicted grows. During the 1950s, you had a pretty consistent guilty rate of about 88-89%. It starts to drop around 1962, and then drops a lot in 1969, so that during the 1970s the conviction rate runs around 75% (with a low of 72% in 1970).

    So you went from about a 9 in 10 chance of being guilty to a 7.5 in 10 chance. This of course doesn't include sentencing. You can be guilty and given a slap on the wrist, so sentencing data is equally important, if not more so.

    Guilty rates move up again in the 1980s, jumps up in the 1990s, and by 2003 you're back to a 90% conviction rate. Crime, of course, famously dropped in this time period. So this back-of-the-envelope look suggests conviction rates make a difference.

    I think this applies particularly to the death penalty, which is rendered ineffective by endless appeals. I'm always struck by those 1930s crime dramas when the perp says "they're not going to catch me and put me in the chair!" They knew that was what would happen and it was clearly on their minds.

    I can't find stats about how long before criminals were executed back in the 1930s, but Giuseppe Zangara who took a shot at FDR in 1933 [edit] and instead killed the mayor of Chicago, spent all of 10 days on death row before Old Sparky got him. Currently, death row inmates spend an average of 13 years before they are executed, if they are executed at all.

    Death penalty opponents would have us believe this makes no difference in the deterrent effect of the death penalty, which naturally they say has no deterrent effect at all.

    As a side note, the last time a person was executed for rape was in 1964 (he was white). Number of rapes in 1964: 21,420. Number of rapes in 1980: 82,990. Number of rapes in 1992 (peak year): 109,060. Number in 2010: 84,767. Perhaps we might want to again consider executions for rape.

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  34. cherubs revengeJan 22, 2012 11:06 AM

    "One area where I would disagree with Murray is when he writes that the "average male employed in a working-class occupation earned as much in 2010 as he did in 1960."

    Maybe it was true for the country as a whole when you throw in the low wage South and South West of 1960, but it certainly isn't true of the Midwestern industrial towns that I'm familiar with.

    My grandfather, a high school dropout, was making around $30,000 a year as a Teamster in the late 60s making hauls from the steel mills and auto plants from Chicago to Gary to Ft. Wayne to Flint to Detroit, etc.

    He was home most nights. He had his well maintained home bought in 1952 in a modest but immaculate neighborhood (auto,lawn and home upkeep seemed to be a second religion for the men of this class) paid off by 1959.

    He bought my grandmother a new Buick or Olds every four years and himself always drove a late-model pickup. Paid cash.

    He was no anomaly either. If you had a heartbeat in 1960 in the Great Lakes region, you could walk into a Union Pacific, Ford or US Steel hiring office and be slinging fenders, shoveling coke, or laying railroad ties the following Monday. And for a wage to buy a house in a good neighborhood and a newer car on just the man's wage.

    Just read the obituaries in any Midwestern town newspaper and you can confirm this.

    It will read something like this:

    "John (Jack) Klemberger, aged 82, went to be with the Lord this past Saturday. He was a retiree of Ford/Norfolk Southern/General Motors/Caterpillar who enjoyed traveling the country with his beloved bride of 60 years in their motorhome.

    He was a veteran of the US Army and served in Korea. He was an active member of the Podunk, VFW.

    Services will be held on Monday at Our Lady of the Holy Sacred Heart Immaculate Conception Catholic Church.

    He is survived by his wife Edith, and their four children."

    Tell me how does one live the life of Jack Klemberger today with a high school diploma today?

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  35. I can't believe that Mangan bought into the mantra that upper class women are less likely to create family breakdown. It's the middle-class women that are less likely to. Both lower and upper class women are the worst creators of family breakdown. The lower class is dominated by minorities and upper class is dominated by feminism. The middle is trying its best to hold these two beasts apart from annihilating society.

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  36. 'If you had a heartbeat in 1960 in the Great Lakes region, you could walk into a Union Pacific, Ford or US Steel hiring office'

    Or here in the NW, you could work in a mill, or in the woods falling trees, or driving a truck, or for the RR. Even when I first moved here from socal in 1975, kids were getting mill jobs right out of high school, marrying and starting families. It was like going back in time 20 years.

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  37. alonzo portfolioJan 22, 2012 01:36 PM

    ... in 1975, kids were getting mill jobs right out of high school, marrying and starting families.

    But in 1991 the mill job disappeared. Read "The Axe," by Donald Westlake.

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  38. I can't believe that Mangan bought into the mantra that upper class women are less likely to create family breakdown. It's the middle-class women that are less likely to. Both lower and upper class women are the worst creators of family breakdown. The lower class is dominated by minorities and upper class is dominated by feminism. The middle is trying its best to hold these two beasts apart from annihilating society.

    Evidence, please.

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  39. Elizabeth Warren doesn't blame immigration and forced integration, but "creative banking", and the rich becoming richer at the expense of the middle class. Some people are beginning to wonder if she's fake : Google: Warren + immigration.

    From the link: "Elizabeth Warren supports in-state tuition for illegal immigrants". That's all I need to know.

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    1. Why are the Mexicans so special? Shouldn't all the East Asian students supporting the college bubble by paying full price be able to declare themselves "undocumented?" It's pathetic how SWPLs fall for the "poor Chicanitos" stuff.

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  40. Also, Murray's statistics are pretty dismaying. Compared to other demographically similar countries, American divorce rates for the white lower and middle classes probably on the high side. But it's not like pre-1960's family life was like something out of a Norm Rockwell painting. A lot of people, particularly women, were stuck in miserable or abuse marriages.


    Why don't you look up divorce rates in the 1950s? American women have always been faithless whores.

    So yes, you have no idea what you are talking about.

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    1. That was my comment you were referring to. Just type 'divorce rates America year' into google images, then go and get a hand towel for the egg on your face. Take your misogynistic crap over to the spearhead forum or something.

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    2. Anonymous againJan 23, 2012 01:46 AM

      And even the current divorce rates, which have admittedly fallen from their 1980's peak, are misleading because people who are perhaps a bit shaky about comittment (they are apparently disporportionaltely lower to middle class) aren't marrying in the first place. This artificially deflates the divorce rate. I attribute this to SES specific cultural reasons. QED.

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    3. "American women have always been faithless whores."

      The steep jump in the financial pressure on middle class households that started between 1965-75 and carried on since will have a lot to do with the divorce rate.

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  41. From Murray:
    "Why have these new lower and upper classes emerged? For explaining the formation of the new lower class, the easy explanations from the left don't withstand scrutiny. It's not that white working class males can no longer make a "family wage" that enables them to marry. The average male employed in a working-class occupation earned as much in 2010 as he did in 1960. "


    Of course he uses "average" so he is just a liar on the face of it, but everyone else seems to believe US inflation data for some retarded reason.

    Is it because you are actually retarded? Is that why?

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  42. Dennis
    most of my close friends live in EXPENSIVE places like Palo Alto, Brookline, Newton, Darien, and the Indian Hill vicinity north of Chicago.

    That being said, my understanding is that whites seeking an all white ultra low cost suburban neighborhood can find such a neighborhood in the suburbs of Indianapolis and suburbs of some other quite decent cities

    I am talking beautiful 5 bedroom house for 290 thousand bucks

    with 4% mortgage rates you are talking a $1200 a month mortgage for a beautiful 5 bedroom home

    Is the idea that middle class whites can't afford nice houses in all white neighborhoods something of a myth in that the cool coastal cities where the media live, things are expensive but in many places in the middle of the usa prices are affordable

    please have a thread on this

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    1. cherubs revengeJan 22, 2012 08:12 PM

      Ok, so with a more realistic 5% interest plus taxes and insurance escrow plus PMI you're looking at a $2000 a month payment. So 2000 x 12 = $24,000 a year in housing payments.

      Using the 1/3 rule of thumb that is a house for someone with a $72,000 a year income. Are there an abundance of 72k a year jobs in Indy I'm unaware of?

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    2. Thanks, couldn't reply to this last night but was thinking the same thing. I see a lot of posts like this on 'Alt-Right' blogs that are clueless about how much money most people actually have, or what things actually cost.

      Lots of alt-righters want to make out like supporting a stay-at-home wife with 4 kids on a single income is no big deal, if you just cut out premium channels on your cable plan and have a victory garden.

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  43. "I am talking beautiful 5 bedroom house for 290 thousand bucks".

    You certainly wouldn't get down under. For $300,000 (the US and aussie dollars are now about the same) you might get a crappy 3 bedroom house in a small rural town, with mortgage rates around 6 percent.

    Anything reasonable in a larger city with cost $400,000 plus.

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  44. I don't really place much faith in claims about adjusting for inflation, since official inflation statistics do not include basic things like food or gas.

    I recently read some interesting investment advice that claimed that in terms of actual purchasing power salaries in the US have been declining since about the 1970s. This is largely disguised by the amazing advances in consumer electronics, but as more and more of your income gets eaten up by these necessities it's becoming more obvious.

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      I don't really place much faith in claims about adjusting for inflation, since official inflation statistics do not include basic things like food or gas.
      <

      You are so right. I'm glad that you introduced this into the thread because even with the official government numbers our purchasing power has declined.
      But when one factors in that inflation is calculated very differently today than it was over 30 years ago (to the government's benefit) and that the real inflation rate is considerably higher (over 6%) than the government's official rate (3%) then one begins to fully understand how fast and far we are falling behind.

      Here is a link to a maverick economist, John Williams.
      The term maverick used here as a euphemism for not in the pay of Wall Street and the Big Banks.

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  45. On the Warren video,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akVL7QY0S8A

    It gives you a data-driven and irrefutable explanation for the two main driving forces behind the destruction of the American middle class i.e the combination of
    1) flat-lining of male wages
    2) increased costs of suburban living
    both of which were the result of public policy and not personality flaws.

    You can take the arguments she lays out and use them on anyone from liberal-independent rightwards. The fact she is a color-blind liberal *helps* make the first part of the case.

    The stunning coincidence that the flatlining of male wages happened just after the 1965 immigration act and the flight to the suburbs came as a result of desegregation, busing and this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Violent_Crime_Rates_in_the_United_States.svg

    is the second step.

    (There's a bunch of other ancillary factors, like education costs, welfare costs etc but sticking to flatlining wages and higher housing costs is a simple introduction imo.)

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    cherub's revenge
    "There's no way someone can draw up such an accurate picture of the symptoms as she did and avoid diagnosing the underlying disease unless they're doing it purposefully."

    I disagree. I think people like her and Victor Davis Hanson were a large part of the problem. They themselves are almost entirely devoid of ethno-centrism, assume wrongly that most people are the same and totally believe the Hollywood version of race reality because they have no (or had no in VDH's case) experience to the contrary. I think people like that made up a large proportion of the old white upper middle class elite who were played for fools and mostly dispossessed by YKW.

    However even if you're right - she's laid out 90% of a rock-solid paleo argument which can be taken and used.

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    Nanonymous
    "If she is this clueless, chances that she has something insightful are pretty slim."

    Well you're wrong. She's a color-blind liberal quant who followed a loose thread without thinking and in the process laid out 90% of a rock-solid paleo argument which can be taken and used.

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    PT Barnum
    "everyone else seems to believe US inflation data for some retarded reason. Is it because you are actually retarded? Is that why?"

    I don't believe it for a second but if you argue over the true rate of inflation then you're arguing over faith - faith in whose figues are right.

    However if you accept the point that *at best* a single male wage has stood still and focus on the other side of the equation i.e. the increased costs of avoiding crime and bad schools, then you both trump his argument and make an attacking point at the same time because "avoiding crime and bad schools" is already a euphemism everyone understands.

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  46. Once again, exactly correct.

    And it's very nice to see the return of Wandrin, one of the sharpest WNs anywhere on the Internet...

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  47. WandrinJan 23, 2012 10:23 AM

    ""PT Barnum:
    everyone else seems to believe US inflation data for some retarded reason. Is it because you are actually retarded? Is that why?""

    "I don't believe it for a second but if you argue over the true rate of inflation then you're arguing over faith - faith in whose figues are right."

    Pointing out that "volatiles" like food and gasoline are not included in the government's inflation statistics is not an exercise in arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Food and gas are not abstractions - they are big chunks of the average person's expenditures - and the government is lying to us - lying to us - in not including them in the inflation rate.

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    1. Fair enough. However i think the point about there being other reasons than retardation stands.

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    2. Pointing out that "volatiles" like food and gasoline are not included in the government's inflation statistics is not an exercise in arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

      No, it's an exercise is being wrong. Food and gasoline are in the "headline" inflation figure. They are not in the so-called "core" inflation figure. Comparisons of real income between years always use the headline inflation figure.

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    3. And who is to say that there can not be long term increases in the price of food and fuel?

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    4. There can be, which is why food and fuel are included in calculating inflation.

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    5. "which is why food and fuel are included in calculating inflation."

      The issue is weighting. Gas, food, and housing are under weighted in the inflation calculations of our mandarins. If gas, food, and housing comprise 60% of my cost of living but the government insists that these items should be weighted as only 25% of my bill then who is right? To paraphrase the old Groucho Marx line "who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?", I ask you, who are you going to believe, the government's mendacious mandarins or your own lying wallet?

      Anyone here can perform a simple test. Count up all your expenses for a fiscal year, including property tax, house and car maintenance, utilities, gas, food, and so on. Then add up all your expenses for a second year. Then compare your expenses for both years. Most here will find that their personal inflation rate year over year is (considerably) higher than their fine friends at the Fed claim it is. This is one's "real" inflation rate because it does not get any more real than one's own cost of living.
      No angels dancing on a head of a pin required. No arguments based on faith. Just do the math.

      Alternatively, one can find how much one could purchase of a given item (a steak, a household appliance, a Lexus) with an ounce of gold ten years ago and compare it with how much one can buy of that item today with an ounce of gold.

      However, one problem in comparing goods one purchases today as compared to goods purchased ten or twenty years ago is that most goods today are noticeably inferior in quality. For example, buying a (food) freezer with a 15 year warranty 30 years ago should not be compared with a freezer one buys today with a limited warranty of one year. It is comparing apples and oranges.

      Finally, although food prices have indeed risen, one should keep in mind that large agribusiness concerns are highly subsidized (by you, Mr. and Mrs. taxpayer). Meaning, that you are paying for higher food prices but not all of your payment comes due at the checkout counter of your local grocery store. Some of your grocery bill appears in your tax bill because huge food subsidies mask your true food bill. Mask or no, you are still paying for it -- count on it (no pun intended).

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    6. Vox Day interviews John Williams.

      Vox Day: Wouldn't underestimating inflation also have a significant effect on real economic growth,[...]

      John Williams: Yes, it does. Real GDP growth, which is an inflation-adjusted GDP growth the way it is popularly followed, is an annualized quarter-to-quarter rate. I think is a silly way to look at it only because the error in the reporting is so large that when you raise the growth rate to the 4th power you exaggerate what is a very poor quality number. It's not just CPI and it's not just inflation. If you use artificially low inflation, that will give you artificially strong GDP growth once it's adjusted for inflation. [...]

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  48. the MSM wants us to believe that they and Gingrich are having one big old circle jerk.


    The MSM and Gingrich are having a big old circle jerk. His fake "attack" on John King was just the latest example of this.

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  49. A neatly put illustration of the second half of the equation - the forced retreat into the more expensive suburbs.

    http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2012/01/blind-leading-blind-part-ii.html

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  50. "BillJan 25, 2012 11:50 AM

    There can be, which is why food and fuel are included in calculating inflation."

    But not core inflation. So why not? By the way, when I've heard inflation figures quoted on - for example, NPR - they quote the core inflation figures. Sounds like someone is trying to pull something over on the public.

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