“During the period of the book tour I asked him not to be on,” Mr. Griffin said. “Since then the issue has become the nature of some of the statements in the book.”I'm afraid that Mr. Griffin is correct; this particular instance isn't a matter of this network, which after all bills itself as liberal, not wanting Buchanan's commentary, but a matter of PC becoming so intense that views that were mainstream not so long ago are now no longer a matter for discussion and are considered hateful. As evidence for that assertion, I adduce the fact that no other network appears to want Buchanan - though that may change of course. Buchanan is a former, fairly successful presidential candidate, former White House staffer and speechwriter, so one might think off the top of one's head that he might be in demand on television. In other words he's not just another bloviator, of which TV has more than its share these days. (Actually, since I don't watch it, that could be incorrect, but last I checked that was true and one of the reasons I don't watch it.)
Mr. Buchanan argues in “Suicide of a Superpower” — which has the subtitle “Will America Survive to 2025?” — that the “European and Christian core of our country is shrinking,” which is damaging the nation “ethnically, culturally, morally, politically.” The book also contains a chapter titled, “The End of White America.”
Mr. Griffin said, “The ideas he put forth aren’t really appropriate for national dialogue, much less the dialogue on MSNBC.”
So, being concerned about "the European and Christian core" of the USA is off the table as a matter for debate. Seems as if none of the presidential candidates will mention this either; most of them don't even dare to say much about immigration.
I DVR and watch the MacGlocklan (sp) group mainly to listen to Buchanan.
ReplyDeleteOne can still -- barely -- mention the "Christian core" of America. It will be greeted with sneers and mock incredulity, but you can say it.
ReplyDeleteMentioning the European, which is to say white, core of America is strictly verboten. It is not merely crimespeak, it is the very ultimate crimespeak.
Fortunately -- *cough cough* -- the white element of America will soon be a minority, so then we can claim victim status and be all vibrant and stuff!
Perhaps on MSNBC one can use the phrase "European core" in contexts such as "the deservedly ever shrinking cancerous European core of America." Variants on such are allowed.
This is known as the Garofalo Gambit. Formerly the Sontag Gambit.
I think we on the "alt right" tend to think that because the internet has broken the 4 decade Judaeo-liberal stranglehold on the media, things must surely be getting better, but nothing could be further from the truth. Buchanan is just a case in point; in 1992, he won the NH primary; now he can't even get a gig on a shitty cable news channel. (Another example: in the early 90's, this hilarious send-up of the black "intellectual" was fair game; imagine that today?)
ReplyDeleteNow that I think about it, the reason is obvious. Our demographics have permanently changed, making disseminated truths, however true, inert and more taboo than ever (We tend to overrate the effectual power of truth; ideas have very little persuasive power on those whose interests are served by ignoring them.) The agents of our demise have advanced to the next stage, making a coordinated media message far less important.
But even as the necessity of a coordinated media assault has waned, paradoxically, the mainstreammedia has become even more monotone. Perhaps these reactionary/right wing niches have served as excellent means of compartmentalizing white racial awareness safely out of earshot, where it can be carefully monitored.
Whites can forget about MSM ever representing their views or interests - indeed, they can abandon any hope that it will stop working to destroy White America. The same applies to the media in other Western countries. Even if Buchanan is still allowed on, he'll surely be the last of his kind to be given this privilege. The Internet is the only hope.
ReplyDeleteHe was kind of toothless in his MSNBC work. It was hard to connect him to his early 1990s campaigns. But still I was surprised that he kept the gig so long - didn't they know who he was? Or did they think since he was antiwar, he was really one of them? It seemed a strange oversight for them.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I voted in the primary for him in 1992.
Proudest vote I ever cast.
And isn't it strange that you really can't say "white" anymore without eyebrows being raised.
Scott: "We tend to overrate the effectual power of truth; ideas have very little persuasive power on those whose interests are served by ignoring them."
ReplyDeleteExcellent observation. You can throw truth at a Liberal all day long to no avail. It was so ironic how the Left adopted the smug "truthiness" tag to label things that essentially were true but which violated the narrative. What a case of projection. Of course, since the Obama interregnum there is much less interest in truthiness out there. (Code Pink, please call your office.)
I highly recommend his latest book. Chapter 6 on equality was great and laid out some good arguments for folks on our side of the debate.
ReplyDeleteWell,
ReplyDelete1. The absurdity of a group called "Your Black World" calling for the firing of Buchanan for the sin of appearing on (gasp) a "pro-white" radio show is stupifying.
2. As much as I respect his bravery. I wish Buchanan had not appeared on the Political Cesspool. Yes, in a just world James Edwards would not be villified for being a patriot but I believe had he not done those 2 (not remarkable) interviews he may have remained on MSNBC. That gave his enemies a new arrow to go after him with that otherwise they would have had more trouble finding (his views are already known)
3. This truly marks the kicking off of the last voice for (call it what you like, "middle america"? "america"?). However the SUN network in Canada and Michael Coren (whose show is produced by David Frum's daughter Miranda) has admirably had on Buchanan, Brimelow and Steyn. I would reconsider FOX if they signed up Pat but I doubt that since Murdoch is a globalist immigration true beliver (watch his last interview in Australia).
And to "peterike". Your right ofcourse but lets look on the bright side as we must to sustain this movement from time to time. As CNN and the MSM consolidates into one monotone of Paul Begala v. George Will (left wing globalist v. right wing globalist). It only opens up more oppurtinity for us. People are starving for our truth. We now need to get capital and develope our own nice delivery system via youtube. I URGE ALL INTRESTED IN FURTHERING OUR TRUTH ON THE WEB TO LOOK AT REASON.TV. WHILE TERRIBLE ON IMMIGRATION, REASON'S WEB VIDEOS (WHICH WE CAN PRODUCE ACCESIBLE COST) ARE MODELS OF HOW WE CAN DISSEMINATE OUR TRUTH TODAY. REASON'S VIDEOS HAVE CHANGED THE MSM. Now they basically have there own show via "Stossel". If we can do an alt-right verson of Reason.tv. The MSM will take notice and maybe one of us will be able to enter the MSM. But even if not, thats the best way to carry BUchanan's torch online.
ReplyDeleteThe Time for Talk is Over! The Battle Lines have been drawn and a Second Civil War will soon be fought!
ReplyDeleteThe diversities and their Infernal Masters are the Evil Side and the Whites and their Allies are on the Good Side.
Maybe this time the Good Side will win? One things for sure, the status quo is unviable!
Anonymous @1:16, "Good arguments for folks on our side of the debate"? As far as the mainstream media are concerned, there is no debate about certain "sensitive" issues -- anything to do with race.
ReplyDeleteWe are past the stage where "good arguments" or any arguments make a difference. It's all about tactics now.
This is known as the Garofalo Gambit. Formerly the Sontag Gambit.
ReplyDeleteI recall Garafalo saying to Buchanan on Joe Scarborough's show on MSNBC that he (Pat) should consider it a complement when Scarborough claims he sounds like Susan Sontag when discussing foreign policy. But that was when a Republican was in the White House and the Left pretended to care about US warmongering. (Sontag, unlike Pat, supported US attacks on Serbs). Back then the MSNBCers just liked to hear a right winger criticise a Republican president. They'll probably replace him with a self-proclaimed conservative like David Frum who can be relied on to occasionally have a go at the GOP.
He was kind of toothless in his MSNBC work.
Given how few people watch MSNBC I don't think he could make much of a difference, especially when you consider that most of the channel's viewers are SWPLers.
Buchanan is just a case in point; in 1992, he won the NH primary; now he can't even get a gig on a shitty cable news channel.
He got about 38% against the first Bush in 1992 then won the 1996 NH primary with considerably less. Race was used against him back then too.
(We tend to overrate the effectual power of truth; ideas have very little persuasive power on those whose interests are served by ignoring them.)
People care more about adhering to a fashionable narrative than they do about truth.
Watching Pat Buchanan on Hard Talk made me cringe because his vast knowledge and sharp arguments were usually lost in the verbal tirades of a rabid Chris Matthews, whose female counterpart is one Rachel Maddow, a seething "machine-gun Annie" herself. CNN, MSNBC, and other liberal channels operate a puppet show of political demogoguery absolutely free of any committment to the truth. Pat Buchanan stood alone in the midst of this cacaphony of buffoon liberals who despised him.
ReplyDeleteIt was liberalism that once defended Darwin and science from creationists and other anti-intellectual types. However, the reification of equality as a Supreme Mandate swept over all human discourse and required a Stalinist defence of their now sacred meme. Our many attacks on liberal pseudointellectualism will slowly erode its dishonest cover but Americans are being subjected to an avalanche of propaganda that inverts IQ hierarchies and meaningful racial differences.
No day goes by when I fail to see a white man dragging two or three black children with him or a white woman with black children. It is obvious that their ignorance made them easy prey of the diversocrats running our schools, reinforced by the MSM. So we are opening only a handful of minds of relatively smart folks with open minds, not the great masses of shame-filled white egalitarians who disregard newspaper stories of black males murdering white girlfriends.Information necessary to combat false propaganda exists only for clever folks willing to do research.Ordianary Americans have largely swallowed the colorful bait that has poison inside.
Is Phil Griffin Jewish?
ReplyDeleteFortunately -- *cough cough* -- the white element of America will soon be a minority, so then we can claim victim status and be all vibrant and stuff!
ReplyDeleteThough this was said in jest, it’s important to note how many incipient race realists actually subscribe to the notion. I have heard countless Pollyannaish commenters exclaim that “Once we (whites) are a minority, all of this racial crap will have to stop!” Poor deluded fools.
These people naively believe that there are universalist principles in play, and that we can one day claim our own fruits as just another minority protozoa in this petri dish. Disappointment and despair await them. For as white numbers and power wane, the rhetorical, legal, and physical assaults on us will wax. We will be under greater assault as a minority than at present. Because none of this is about “civil rights” or “diversity” or “equality.” It is about white dispossession and ultimately genocide.
Europe is to become America which is to become Brazil which is to become South Africa which is to become Rhodesia. And any criticism of the plan…well that’s really not appropriate for national dialogue.
I can't improve on the way Porter said it, so I'll just say that I'm entirely in agreement.
ReplyDeletenone of this is about “civil rights” or “diversity” or “equality.” It is about white dispossession and ultimately genocide.
ReplyDeleteIf we are ever to extirpate the rapidly-metastasizing cancer of "modern liberalism," we must first understand it correctly. It has two distinct components. One is the foreign, purely inimical, "genocidal" component (described perfectly by Porter), which unfortunately has become intertwined (by design) with more traditionally "liberal" sentiments that are more organic to Western civilization, such as the valuing of individual rights over the power of the state, the virtues of pacifism, equality under the law vs. aristocracy, etc. As reactionaries, we can compromise with "natural" Western liberalism and achieve a decent (perhaps superior) synthesis (e.g. a patriarchy but more Northern European than Ancient Greek). Compromise with the genocidal aspect (and those who promote it), on the other hand, is folly and cowardice of the highest order.
Having experienced the last two countries he mentions in his trajectory of white disembowelment, I can only concur that Porter is correct.
ReplyDeleteThe US is en route to 'failed state' status, but this will be concealed, just as it was until it was too late in Southern Africa.
Anon.
But Al Sharpton still has a job at MSNBC ...
ReplyDeleteAnd isn't it strange that you really can't say "white" anymore without eyebrows being raised.
ReplyDeleteInteresting how "white" can now only used in a pejorative.
-The Battle Lines have been drawn and a Second Civil War will soon be fought!-
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately so, it seems. Preparations are advisable...
"The Battle Lines have been drawn and a Second Civil War will soon be fought!"
ReplyDeleteWishful thinking. Whites going out with a whimper (or less) is at least as likely.
Anonymous @1:16, "Good arguments for folks on our side of the debate"? As far as the mainstream media are concerned, there is no debate about certain "sensitive" issues -- anything to do with race.
ReplyDeleteWe are past the stage where "good arguments" or any arguments make a difference. It's all about tactics now.
No we are not. People who spend time reading blogs like this and who follow the news are the exception not the norm.
If you talk to people like friends, neighbors and family, you will realize a large portion have no idea that they are imbibing the leftist multicult philosophy. So good arguments like the ones Buchanan makes need to be disseminated as much as possible.
Maybe a blog like this can feature posts on the various chapters of Buchanan's book to flesh out those ideas and get people to discuss them. Although a post at mangan's generates 20 to 100 comments, I imagine there are several times that many who actually read them. So getting these ideas out in the open is the best thing to do.
People won't drop what they are doing and join your fight or protest if they don't understand why, and they especially won't if they believe themselves to be in the wrong. Thus the importance of debunking the myths put forth by the diversity/multiculti priests is important.
As I wrote above, chapter 6 in Buchanan's book is an excellent take on how equality has been totally taken out of context in the American sense and used to the detriment of people on our side of the debate. I am sure some of you probably already knew the facts Buchanan spells out, but I, an above average political junkie, did not.
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteHow many people are you going to recruit for the Resistance through argument? If you debate all the livelong day, every day, maybe one person a month. Sure, you should be able to defend your positions with facts and reasoning, but if that were all it takes we would not be candidates for ethnic erasure.
South Africa is making a comeback
ReplyDeleteDon't you guys read ANYTHING?
Once again, unsurprisingly, Porter's comment is spot on.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, I also concur with anonymous at 8:44 a.m. (Whites going out with a whimper or less).
Contrast Griffin's opinion of Pat Buchanan with his take on that harpy of frothing, dumbed-down leftism, Rachel Maddow:
ReplyDelete"She really has elevated the discussion and is in many ways the model that we want for cable news."
There you have it. Buchanan is beyond the pale while Maddow has elevated the discourse.
Found this today at "Collapse: The Blog" -
ReplyDelete"Look, this is tragic and obscene and horrifying. I get it. And probably one in every ten leftist who reads this story will ask himself, "Ah, but was she a racist?", and that only compounds the outrage.
But there will not be a race war. Nor will there ever be substantial levels of white-on-black vigilante violence. Ever. Get it through your heads. You can bet that even if such rage and retaliation began to emerge, it would be immediately squelched with disproportionate police (even military) violence. The great sickening madness of it is that you would be choked to death by the bare hands of a white redneck Marine from South Carolina before modern society would ever permit you to enact denied justice against even a single "protected minority." These guys have shut up and gone along with every other leftist-mandated abomination, most recently the forced homosexualization of their own ranks against their own convictions. There is no floor here, no limit to how low the left will drag them.
White people have surrendered. Completely. In fact, a sizable portion of them are now actively your enemies and would cut your beating heart from your chest if they could do so without consequence. The rest don't care. Their main concern is not being seen as discriminatory. And if their children (preferably yours) have to be raped and tortured to death to achieve that, well, such is the price one pays for Progress, the blood-drinking god of our degenerate age.
This is the reason this is not a white nationalist blog. Many whites are actively in the service of evil: the rest are detestably weak, virtueless cretins who went along with evil because they thought it would buy them popularity. So much for that. You don't get to sell yourself into servitude for a nickel and then complain when your new master takes back the nickel.
This nightmare will end with the parousia, and not a second sooner."
Porter and Scott have nailed it.
ReplyDelete'Found this today at "Collapse: The Blog" -'
ReplyDeleteI'd never seen that blog before. But just a quick glance at it makes be think it is run by a white(s) who might "cut your beating heart from your chest" if you dare speak the truth about Jews.
Speaking of which, I was slightly surprised when I noticed the following comment today at Auster's.
"We Jews are like the proverbial little girl with the curl. When we are good, we are very, very good. But when we are bad, we are worse than awful. For all of our alleged intelligence and high I.Q., our bent towards anarchy, social disruption and desire to provoke is distressing. Soiling ones own nest is far from my definition of intelligence!"
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteSouth Africa is making a comeback
Don't you guys read ANYTHING?
At the risk of responding to what might be irony and sarcasm, could you provide us with said reading material?
The book also contains a chapter titled, “The End of White America.”
ReplyDeleteSince when is discussing the end of white America prohibited? Tim Wise did it. The NY Times runs articles every month counting down the years until it is a reality.
The only thing prohibited is lamenting the end of white America. If you welcome it, you will have a forum.
Anonymous at 11:04 - You're probably right re Collapse and the JQ. I generally peruse the latest entries at blogs linked at "The Truth Shall Set You Free" and saw that today. Unfortunately, far too many conservative or paleo Christian blogs forbid mention of anything less than adulatory re Jews.
ReplyDeleteThe great sickening madness of it is that you would be choked to death by the bare hands of a white redneck Marine from South Carolina before modern society would ever permit you to enact denied justice against even a single "protected minority." These guys have shut up and gone along with every other leftist-mandated abomination, most recently the forced homosexualization of their own ranks against their own convictions.
ReplyDeleteThat's because the government is still paying them pretty decent money. When the competent white guys start being forced out in favor of the latest female, 'transgendered' or affirmative-action star, white support will start to erode. And the next thing that will happen is these guys start piling stuff from the armory into their pickup trucks and driving away in the dead of night. The Pax Americana depends on the efforts of about 200,000 heterosexual white men. The government's gay, affirmative action pageant won't be able to maintain it when they leave.
This ain't over by a long shot. We won't win any more elections but that's going to become increasingly less relevant.
I pulled these comments about Ron Paul from Free Republic this morning (disclaimer - not a Paul supporter). These come from 3 different users:
ReplyDeleteI work with a typical Ron Paul drone. As this story fears, the drone I work with often talks of violent actions towards politicians and the police. His hero is Joe Stack, the a-hole who flew his plane into an IRS office in Austin.
I would keep a sharp eye on all Ron Paul drones and make sure you have a plan to take them down if it comes to it.
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Ron Paul is the hero who could have been, if he weren’t a racist bigot masquerading as an isolationist. He needs to be exposed for his racism and anti-Semitism.
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I have yet to see a smoking gun on his racism, but I do believe that he is one, and Anti-Semitic as well. Ben Stein, David Horowitz, Michael Medved, and Daniel Greenfield are very suspicious of Ron Paul’s isolationaism.
This is the opposition. Now it looks like they'll get Romney, Santorum, or Gingrich as their candidate. What's happening is one of history's great tragedies but sometimes even in the midst of tragedy you can get a good laugh from a good farce. These anti-"isolationist", anti-"racist" "Conservatives" are going to get what they deserve, sooner rather than later - good and hard as Mencken said.
This ain't over by a long shot. We won't win any more elections but that's going to become increasingly less relevant.
ReplyDeleteYes, the war against "liberalism" can be won as soon as it is recognized as a conflict of particularist interests, not a conflict of universalist principles. Those so-called conservatives who try to evade or cover up this reality must be called out and attacked. They're not only Fox News neocons and talk radio windbags. You'll find them on "counterjihadi" blogs obsessing over the words of the Koran, as if the problem with Muslim immigrants lay in their ideas and not their genes. (Has their hero Geert Wilders ever had an unkind word for those freedom-loving non-white immigrants of Christian, pagan, or atheist bent?) Then, the Israel-first "paleocons," like Diana West, reducing Western decline to its symptom not its cause ("the death of the grown-up!"), or Larry Auster, similarly reducing Western decline to the seductive power of non-discrimination (a good idea gone wrong?) or "Darwinism" (a wrong idea gone wrong?).
MSNBC has virtually no ratings at all. Not kidding, according to some media pros I know their audience is not even measurable. This executive's job is on the line and he's desperate, so he needs to throw some meat to the folks he's hoping to lure, and adopting the language of crimespeak ("not appropriate") is the only way for him to save face. What's he going to say? "We can't afford to lose the few Chomskyites we have left, so Pat had to go"? Besides, Buchanan's had a very long run. Despite being right about everything, he still represents the past, and Americans want the new. You don't see Nicholas Von Hoffman on T.V. either, do you?
ReplyDeleteFrom Collapse: The Blog:
ReplyDeleteThis is the reason this is not a white nationalist blog. Many whites are actively in the service of evil: the rest are detestably weak, virtueless cretins who went along with evil because they thought it would buy them popularity.
Sort of like the Catholic Church which "Collapse" (IIRC) believes should become formally established by the state. His blog is interesting but he strikes me as someone who despairing for his country has suddenly taken up religion with a vengeance in middle age. The USA cannot be salvaged so he'll find his own personal salvation.
I agree with Porter. As someone who is both Scots and Irish, let me assure you that the experience of the Scots under English dominion was not a happy one, and the English were the least odious. For the Irish side, well things were even worse.
ReplyDeleteWhites as a minority will be semi-serfs at best, exterminated at worst.
HOWEVER ... the Blue Social model requires money. It requires a legitimate opportunity for SOME Whites to move up to elite status. It requires goodies sprinkled out to White Professional Females.
Imagine gas at $6-8 a gallon this Summer. Imagine food riots and the looting of suburbs. All quite plausible. What then? People in survival mode can be quite ruthless. It is NOT always about manpower -- ask the Aztecs how that worked out with Cortez. Moreover the crisis is NOW. The Blue electoral/political/social model requires as voting/cultural lynchpins White professional females who get careers and status and social power out of it.
DECLINE means those women "eat last" as far as patronage goes, and defect. Perhaps not all, but even SOME defecting to the Red Social model means victory.
And let us be clear about Demographic change. Blacks have slightly declined, to about 12% from 12.9% ten years ago. Hispanics have increased massively, but still remain in the minority, are poor, mostly apathetic, and depend on welfare to feed their kids. That is not exactly a position of strength.
ReplyDeleteElites according to Kotkin are planning to rule like a clerisy, ala the Catholic Church in Medieval Europe, and how did that work out? Elites can hold power only so far as they deliver, to constituencies with money. Does anyone think Obama can play Sun King? Really? He is the total incompetent that GWB was portrayed.
Already you are seeing "internal secession" by Whites -- fleeing malls for Amazon, the internet, etc. TV is being abandoned for Netflix and Hulu, watching stuff from the 1950's to 1980's. Musical culture has stagnated into a Rap / Pop-tart death spiral. Nothing has captured the imagination. Elites have what, "be hipster or die" as their slogan? Who cares about that?
No one has it all their way. Ever. Despair is the counsel of failure.
MSNBC has virtually no ratings at all. Not kidding, according to some media pros I know their audience is not even measurable.
ReplyDeleteThat may be true during the day but looking at the prime time ratings for January 9 MSNBC is doing a lot better than CNN. Rachel Maddow got the most viewers - one million - with the rest of their prime time getting over 800,000 which is usually double CNN's audience and about half Fox's. Noticeably all the cable news channels do very poorly with young people.
No one has it all their way. Ever. Despair is the counsel of failure.
ReplyDeleteAt least this time I agree with Whiskey. That quote from the blog "Collapse" is food for thought, but its author's certainty about what will or won't happen is without basis. He just knows what will happen, he just knows that we're all doomed. Well, we might be, but no one "knows" that, so I don't think anyone who says so is worth listening to.
As Whiskey says, there are positive developments on our side, negative on the other. Never, ever give up.
As someone who is both Scots and Irish, let me assure you that the experience of the Scots under English dominion was not a happy one, and the English were the least odious.
ReplyDeletePlease do go on Whiskey. Who were the most odious in your Scots-Irish opinion? Cromwell? The people he returned to England? Perhaps it was the English women and the way they undermined the Irish by eating all their potatoes.
CNBC is pretty irrelevant with 1 million viewers in an adult population of 200 million.
ReplyDelete1/2 of 1% of the population is is apropos of well nothing.
Influence wise The Drudge Report who does cover White issues, albeit rather quietly is far far bigger.
As for the left, my take is that they are slowly losing their grip. The society they want to build is predicated on redistribution of wealth and control of the idea stream.
They are losing hold both of these and yes they will double down on what they know, its not going to work well for them.
Thanks for the compliment Sheila. I always enjoy your perspective as well.
ReplyDeleteIn regard to the possibility of a white resistance, I admit to something less than untrammeled optimism. Presently, whites on the left are simply these ants. In contrast, mainstream conservatives are brimming with martial spirit and a willingness to fight…against white racists and anti-semites. Though it’s possible that I have the warrior and ant politics completely reversed. It all trails back to this:
The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.
And taking Sun Tzu’s dictum to heart our enemies have done just that. Bullets and blood are only deployed when more refined techniques of warfare prove insufficient. In our case, those techniques have proven quite sufficient indeed. Treason has supplanted fidelity as our most conspicuous public virtue. Traitors to our nation speak openly, with voices amplified by every media outlet; while patriots speak in furtive whispers on Internet forums. Our institutions are now helmed by those who despise us. By any rational measure, we have been subdued.
Though to assuage despair, the future is not yet written and our destiny is still ours to forge…if we will but do it. Personally, I have reached the point where I would trade my remaining tomorrows for the opportunity to stand abreast with my fellows and fight. Not for bullshit platitudes. But for my people and our civilization. For what our fathers have built and what our sons should inherit…for the protection of our wives and daughters.
And if my flesh were shorn from bone in the process, it would be with the pleasure of knowing that we didn’t curl into the fetal position…didn’t grovel, whimper, or cringe. We stood together as men defending the only things that truly matter on this mortal coil.
South Africa is indeed making a comeback - in a sense. Some whites are returning, because their economic prospects "overseas" dried up with the financial collapse, and the truth is , in SA, if you are competent and deliver the goods, you will do well enough. And the gold price has helped, a whole lot.
ReplyDeleteBut - there is always a but - who knows what sort of individual will be running the country in a few years? Malema? Worse than Mugabe. Can we trust the currency as a store of value? Maybe, maybe not. Will there be enough food if the land "reforms" really go through - probably not. Will the government continue to let in millions of African refugees - probably. And can we "raise these people up" on the backs of the few, largely white, taxpayers? This is simply turbo-nonsense. And who will fund the ANC? We will, of course, if you can live with that. And will the government be honest? No, but nor will it be totally corrupt, if - and only if - the media has the courage to actually walk the walk.
But if SA whites hold on, and reproduce, and demand their rights, and ensure their own collective physical security, while avoiding coarse and ugly racism, they will continue to do surprisingly well.
The future in South Africa will belong, as elsewhere, to the strong, competent people who actually show up. SA may yet end up being a white refuge if "Europe" continues towards catastrophe.
Anon.
Unless whites are able to attain sovereignty and an exclusive polity there, South Africa is not making a comeback for whites. "Doing well" ultimately doesn't matter if they're subject to and paying taxes to an alien government.
ReplyDeleteWhites as a minority will be semi-serfs at best, exterminated at worst.
ReplyDeleteLike the Holodomor Whiskey?
>>But if SA whites hold on, and reproduce, and demand their rights, and ensure their own collective physical security, while avoiding coarse and ugly racism, they will continue to do surprisingly well.
ReplyDeleteThe truth is, generally, South African whites are a lazy, degenerate and doomed race. They deserve what they are getting. It is their own damned fault.
Apartheid, as it stood, was untenable. It just was. There is no argument here. But that doesn't mean that South African whites couldn't have crafted a good-enough alternative, that would have been demonstrably equitable and thus unassailable by the majority of the world, thus ensuring their survival. As Lot and Abraham equitably parted so could South Africa’s whites and blacks. South Africa is a big country. Any time over the past 70 years South African whites could have declared that whites would take 1/3 to ½ of the land mass of South Africa for an all- white free republic, within which blacks would have no right of residence let alone political or civil rights. Whites would of course have to leave the remaining portion of the country unless they could work out private arrangements with the new black rulers.
This would have been painful, but abrupt, separation, and if it were done 50 years ago, the economic and social wounds would have healed by now, and there would be a free, prosperous, secure white South African homeland, and blacks would have their big, resource and industry laden South Africa with no right to complain (but of course they would, but that is a different argument) .
But no, South African whites couldn’t imagine a world without that cheap labor, so they dithered, thinking that they could somehow make the apartheid state work if they just finessed their critics, and they also believed all the experts who declared that the South African economy would “collapse” without cheap servile labor (hmmmm…where do we hear that claim?) Well, now they have neither apartheid nor their own state, and they live in constant unyielding peril. A truly wretched people, but they did it to themselves. Take heed. We are doing the same, and if it comes to pass here what has passed in South Africa then posterity should have no pity or sympathy for white Americans. They will have doomed and damned themselves.
ReplyDeleteThis is the reason this is not a white nationalist blog. Many whites are actively in the service of evil: the rest are detestably weak, virtueless cretins who went along with evil because they thought it would buy them popularity. So much for that. You don't get to sell yourself into servitude for a nickel and then complain when your new master takes back the nickel.
This nightmare will end with the parousia, and not a second sooner."
If I was trying to convince the majority of whites that the future is hopeless I would write something like that as well.
It is, I think, too facile to dump on white South Africans in this fashion. It was always a hard and a marginal place to earn a living, and there is no history of anyone, anywhere, turning their backs on available resources. In fact,cheap labour was actively imported into the USA from Africa, whereas we just used it where we found it (and where they found us). Economically, it worked, and curiously (this is always news to foreigners) interpersonal relationships between blacks and whites were often cordial, at least in the workplace.
ReplyDeleteFinally, there was a truly awful civil war (the "Boer War", which never should have happened, and which was largely driven by one "Lord Milner" in England whose ambitions were, it seems, sheer greed and conquest. This war pioneered the scorched earth, the concentration camp, and much else; and laid the groundwork for intra-white hatreds which made mass immigration from Europe post-WWII, and which could have turned South Africa into a viable proposition, subsequently impossible.
Notwithstanding all of this, we carved a civilization out of the hard, African bush and to suggest SA whites are/were lazy is just ludicrous.
Anon.
In fact,cheap labour was actively imported into the USA from Africa, whereas we just used it where we found it (and where they found us).
ReplyDeleteMuch of the black labor in South Africa was imported from other parts of Africa.
Economically, it worked, and curiously (this is always news to foreigners) interpersonal relationships between blacks and whites were often cordial, at least in the workplace.
Economically, many things can "work." Selling your mom or your sister or daughter into prostitution can also "work" economically. Cordiality and whether things work economically ultimately aren't necessarily the best foundations to build upon and can be fatal.
made mass immigration from Europe post-WWII, and which could have turned South Africa into a viable proposition, subsequently impossible.
South Africa didn't need mass immigration. It wasn't lack of mass immigration that destroyed South Africa.
the "Boer War", which never should have happened, and which was largely driven by one "Lord Milner" in England
ReplyDeleteRead Geoffrey Wheatcroft’s The Randlords. The major players were mainly Jews such as Oppenheimer, Beit, Wernher, and Barnato. In the Boer War the British army were the Janissaries of the Jews.
This is why I love reading the comments of blogs and news stories when they are allowed. Outside of the obvious stupid, partisan comments, I pick up some good tidbits I might not be familiar with.
DeleteI had never heard of the Randlords. Then again I didn't know much about South Africa other than the stories about bad whites and noble blacks. Clicking on that list of Randlords is eye opening. I now think the Afrikaners get too much of the blame.
Unfortunately, it was exactly the lack of mass immigration that doomed SA. White immigration, that is. There is a differential reproduction rate and without adequate starting numbers we just cannot keep pace with the reproductive habits of Africans, especially if we maintain sufficient law and order to keep them alive.
ReplyDeleteThe idea that we could have carved off a piece of South Africa and held it is not congruent with reality. It was debated very thoroughly. Most of the mineral wealth is outside the Western Cape Province, which was the only geography which might have lent itself to a feasible white mini-state; however, we had colonised the rest of the country, had extensive property, very productive farms, superb natural ecosystems, some of the world's richest mines, sophisticated cities etc; no way we could just have turned our backs on all that.
I do agree that the present dispensation is highly suboptimal, and premised on entirely unrealistic liberal ideas on the universality of humankind and other nostra which ignore HBD.
But strict physical apartheid was never an option that could work, then or now. What they should have negotiated was a system of protected minority rights (whites, coloureds, Indians) with the teeth to enforce it, but without the old unfairness and inhumanity of classical apartheid; difficult at the best of times, but with the "International Community" baying for our blood it was not thought to be politically possible, so the white nationalist Afrikaners folded.
The minority English never voted to fold, it has been claimed, and I believe it.
Anon.
>>Notwithstanding all of this, we carved a civilization out of the hard, African bush and to suggest SA whites are/were lazy is just ludicrous.
ReplyDeleteOk. Rhetorical excess to make the point. Yes Boers (and city folk too) worked/work hard, but they couldn't imagine a life without seignoral privilege. Now this admirable civilization is dying and will in time be extinguished, and it is all the fault of South African whites because they refused to compromise and accept a life dependent upon their own labor resources. I cannot feel pity for them. This situation was entirely avoidable.
>>>Most of the mineral wealth is outside the Western Cape Province, which was the only geography which might have lent itself to a feasible white mini-state; however, we had colonised the rest of the country, had extensive property, very productive farms, superb natural ecosystems, some of the world's richest mines, sophisticated cities etc; no way we could just have turned our backs on all that.
Whatever part of South Africa whites chose as their own would have been full of resources and potential. But you wanted to keep it all and now you are losing it all.
Tell me Anonymous, has your mother/sister/daughter been raped yet? How many of the mothers/sisters/daughters of your friends and acquaintances been raped? All the wealth, the mines, cities farms that would have been forsaken, has it been worth it?
Has there ever been man more corrupted by wealth, luxury, materialism than 20th century white man?
But you wanted to keep it all and now you are losing it all.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of "excess", I think there is some here. The main aim of apartheid was segregation, principally in e.g. living areas and education (but there were, for example, universities serving the 'coloured' population). Meaning the main aim was not to reserve the "resources" and "potential" exclusively for Whites. Of course the measures taken to put apartheid into effect (and to maintain political control by Whites) had effects on the ability of 'coloured' people to achieve their (economic) "potential".
And perhaps we can see in a nation like e.g. Liberia -- or even Nigeria -- what Blacks are able to do with "resouces" and "potential". And therefore why Whites in South Africa chose to erect the separation known as apartheid.
@Daniel:
ReplyDeleteYou are mostly right. Can check your afirmation by comparing with two quite simmilar cases.
Small ethnical group taking over land and resources. Both succesfull but different. Brazil and Israel.
Portuguese wanted to keep it all. In order to do this they permitted mixing of races in order to dilute the african population. And also needed what a south african guy - afrikaner - told me: " you need warm bodies." Portuguese upper class knew that more than 100 years ago. But this means sharing. German and italian emmigrants will not wash toilets for the older residents. They have to be accomodated as equals. Coloured have to be accomodated also as quasy equals, and the talented ones as real equals.
This if you want to keep all the land and resources, the Brazilian scenario.
Or what you described above, a smaller state where the colonial small etnical group can keep a safe majority. The israeli scenario. But this means you can not keep all the farm land, all the mines, all the ports etc.
Afrikaners wnated to keep a brazilian size pie by israeli means. Didn't understand that you can not keep a continental size pie by the same means israelis keep a tiny etno-state. Ex:RSA is 60 times larger then Israel. You need to be completly blinded by greed to imagine you can do it.
After the war gates for emmigration were pretty much closed for europeans. Millions wuold have gone anywhere. But bringing hungry refugees from Europe meant hmmmmm controlling the mind altering greed which controlled them. My ancestors would have left in a blink of an eye if possible. But it wasn't. Afikaners could not permit the dilution of their political power.
You are permitted to be dumb. And you are permitted to be greedy. But both of them are fatal.
You need to be completly blinded by greed to imagine you can do it.
ReplyDeleteOr you need to have opened your eyes to the reality around you -- the majority black/black-ruled countries, your own black population -- to decide that it was necessary to do...something.
Because another basic reality is this: the 'smart fraction' among Blacks, especially Africans, is just too small. So it is not possible to have a prosperous, stable, first world country with a majority black population in control.
"This ain't over by a long shot."
ReplyDeleteI'm glad you added this, Dennis. When you and Sheila initially appeared to accept Porter's original comment implying the inevitability of a global white extermination, I was going to ask you 'why don't you just commit suicide already then?'
I have utter certainty in trends reversing themselves. Religious faith aside, one (of several) of my sources of hope is the fact that the oft-spoken of elites are not some fixed, eternal Sauron. They are men, who age, retire, and die. They are succeeded by other men. Who splinter and compete against each other, as all power is fissile. And I'm just talking evolution of the elites here, not revolution.
Despair-porn is like cuckold-fetishism: a release for a few eccentrics, a waste of time for everyone else.
@eh:
ReplyDeletePrecisely the point. As an example:
" The goal was to "whiten" Brazil through new immigrants and through future miscegenation in which former slaves would disappear by becoming “whiter”.[26]
In 1878, ten years before the abolition of slavery, Rio de Janeiro hosted the Congresso AgrÃcola (Agricultural Congress) and that meeting reflected what the Brazilian elite (especially coffee planters) expected from their future workers.[27] Although national workers were an option to some of the participants, especially to those not from São Paulo, most of them, under the lead of coffee planters from São Paulo, agreed that only immigration would be good to Brazil,[28] and, moreover, European immigration."
Of course nobody imagined that the germans will be treated like slaves. The portuguese elites just shared. And got to keep a lot by doing this. It's not very complicated.
If you are overextended you either downsize or call in the necessary number of allies. They can be either immigrants or supplimentary children created through mixing. Of course it involves something .... awfull. Horrible. Unimaginable. It involves ... sharing and considering that ... italians and germans and mixed children you might have with a different race women - in this case like in brazil's of african origin - are worth being treated as fellow citizens.
Daniel said:
ReplyDeleteWhatever part of South Africa whites chose as their own would have been full of resources and potential. But you wanted to keep it all and now you are losing it all.
You know, the Native American Elites used to sit around in their annual convention teepees and debate how they could keep it all. Look what happened. Those evil rapacious whites with their disgusting diseases came in and took everything.
As I understand it, the Boers were farming people, and farming people are some of the kindest and most disposed to sharing that I know. Indeed, open source software was also largely a phenomenon of Northern European whites ...
Read Geoffrey Wheatcroft’s The Randlords. The major players were mainly Jews such as Oppenheimer, Beit, Wernher, and Barnato. In the Boer War the British army were the Janissaries of the Jews.
The Boers might have the same excuse that the Native Americans had: They were unaware of other people with designs on their hard-won gains.
However, we have no such excuses and we now know lots about the behavioral traits of various groups.
Mr. Griffin said, “The ideas he put forth aren’t really appropriate for national dialogue, much less the dialogue on MSNBC.”
ReplyDeletePat's ideas are precisely the national dialogue we SHOULD be having!
Rick Darby, can you name some of these tactics?
ReplyDeleteI do not claim to be a general or a tactician. But for starters, here are a few suggestions: boycotts. Street demonstrations. Strikes. (All successfully used by the labor movement and the civil rights movement.) Loads of actions falling short of illegal can put sand in the gears of government and corporations. For those who choose it knowing the possible consequences, even illegal acts of protest and resistance.
DeleteAdvertising -- yes, advertising, including in mainstream media. I used to work in advertising and I know its power. Alternative media, YouTube and such. Conservative film festivals.
As I think I said already, it's fine to be able to make debater's points, which might convince scattered individuals. (Will it motivate them to do anything, though?) But no mass social change has ever occurred through Socratic dialogues.
"Whiskey said...
ReplyDeleteNo one has it all their way. Ever. Despair is the counsel of failure."
And it is the counsel you usually offer, o beta male-who-is-hate-hate-hated-by-white-women.
You counsel despair all the time, Hypocrite.
The despair porn has to stop. We don't know the future. The people above who say "don't argue. it's useless people don't care about facts". Or "whites will never fight back" all that stuff even if half-true, why say it? What is the intent? To make people just care about the NFL? It's fine if you have a counterproposal but stop demoralizing our good people who actually care.
ReplyDeleteAnd as proof of the traction our side is getting look at the huge comment numbers isteve and this blog get on every post compared to alot of articles on the Daily Beast or FrumForum or CNN.
ReplyDeleteWhiskey: As someone who is both Scots and Irish...
ReplyDeletePssst....Whiskey: "Scots-Irish" is not the same thing as "Scottish and Irish". Wink wink, nudge nudge.
...let me assure you that the experience of the Scots under English dominion was not a happy one, and the English.
...and being an American with Scots-Irish, Scottish, Irish, or all of the above ancestors doesn't make you any kind of authority about "the experience of English dominion". (The pretense thereof, however, will get you laughed out of any native Gaelic watering hole.)
Unfortunately, it was exactly the lack of mass immigration that doomed SA.
ReplyDeleteNo it wasn't. It was internal and international agitation that brought down South Africa.
But strict physical apartheid was never an option that could work, then or now. What they should have negotiated was a system of protected minority rights (whites, coloureds, Indians) with the teeth to enforce it, but without the old unfairness and inhumanity of classical apartheid
When strict physical apartheid doesn't work, it breaks down and is an indication that there is already too much ecological mixing.
The solution is not to maintain or strengthen the ecological mixing. The solution is to stop and reverse it and enforce strict border controls.
"The despair porn has to stop."
ReplyDeleteSaying that things will get worse as white people become more of a minority isn't despair porn. It's pointing out what should now be self-evident to those people who still believe there's an upper limit to anti-white discrimination based on having majority status. All that will change is the justification will shift away from "fairness" and "equality" to justice for past sins. There is no limit to how bad it could get.
The despair-porners are those saying there's no hope of fighting it. That's a very different thing. I generally assume they're Skaven in disguise and if so there's no point saying they should stop as they'll be doing it for a demoralising tactic but true or not disregarding them on that basis is a good habit to adopt.
There's always hope. It's not like this hasn't happened before
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista
"How many people are you going to recruit for the Resistance through argument?"
More than through non-argument?
Point taken, Dennis and many others, re "despair porn." My intent truly was not to counsel despair and giving up; quite the contrary. I intend to fight to my last breath in whatever way I may, but I do despair of many others who seem to have lain down and given up long ago. If (and I do concede it's "if" because we cannot know the future or assume current trends will continue unabated) the White race must go down, at least let it go down fighting, as Porter notes.
ReplyDelete“The ideas he put forth aren’t really appropriate for national dialogue"
ReplyDeleteAn obvious response, should anyone hear a leftist say something like that: "who decides what is appropriate for national dialogue?"
Ask it in a calm, friendly way, like you genuinely want his answer to that question. Persist.
Oh, and don't accept abstract answers like "common decency" or some other such leftist vagueness. Insist on being told who, exactly, which person, decides what is approporiate for national dialogue.
ReplyDeleteI find it interesting to watch a couple of the commenters despairing over their porn. As if this was a discernible feature of the societal topography: Too many whites are in a state of despair over their racial and cultural dispossession! Sure.
ReplyDeleteIf we were to sample mindsets of the general white population and number the obliviously complacent Pollyannas in relation to the capitulated fatalistas, I wonder if the ratio would be anything less than 50/1. Both attitudes will get us killed though only one is statistically relevant. Prioritize.
"at least let it go down fighting"
ReplyDeleteI think that's the right way to look at it. If one makes it a personal pride issue of going down fighting regardless of success then despair porn becomes irrelevant.
I believe that it was Alex Kurtagic who wrote at the Alternative Right website that above all pro-Whites should enjoy the battle. If we do that, a lot of other things fall into place, including making ourselves more attractive as a movement.
ReplyDeletePat Buchanan obviously relishes a good fight. That is a big part of why he has been so successful. Do you think that that man is wallowing in misery and despair right now? Hell no. He has had enough belly laughs for a dozen ordinary people since he ate breakfast today.
Have some fun, goddamnit!
Has Fred Reed's site been taken down? Have not been able to access it lately.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.fredoneverything.net/
From Pat's new book, page 365, here is a great quote that gives some hope.
ReplyDeleteThe agenda of the Left--de-Christianizing America, multiculturalism, racial preferences, and unrestricted immigration--has been imposed from above and resisted by a people who do not understand the strength that is theirs if they will but unite and fight.
I think the most shocking aspect of the European collapse has been the inability of ordinary whites, world-wide, to comprehend the extent to which the white 'elite' have betrayed them. The only exception to this is Rhodesia under Ian Smith; Rhodesian whites knew pretty quickly they were being screwed, by both Labour and Conservative British governments.
ReplyDeleteWhat this exposes is that to undermine a society based on trust, all you have to do is buy off or otherwise pervert the leadership. White, ie Western civilization is generally based on high levels of trust (notwithstanding the occasional rebellion); this is probably an Achilles Heel and our enemies have long known how to exploit it.
Anon.
Society behaves the same in identical conditions. What is described above as " betrayal " is just a normal phenomenon which happened before again and again.
ReplyDeleteThe american republic has become an empire. And its social evolution is identical to the others who came before , from the assyrians to present days.
Tributes and rents coming in the system go disproportionately towards the elites. Tehy don't really betray their ethnical group, but they evolve so very much they become a different specie.
Last year for example corporate america had 1600 billion dollars as profit. After paying a lot towards mentaining the system - in other parts of the world is called corruption - like Obama's wife getting 300 000 dollars because her husband was a political activist, buying private planes for management etc. And still they got 1600 billions.
What does the aristocracy have in common with their former coethnics any more?
If the empire survives long enough the original empire building ethnical group is wiped out.
Is just normal socio-political evolution.
Of course the collapse of the empire is something no US resident should wish. The country without the rents is completly and utterly bankrupt. In theory of course the migration would stop. But empirial collapse is not something nice if you see it from the metropolis. If means poverty, hunger and it takes time until the system becomes productive again and learns to live within its limits. It takes time, generations will have their lives sacrificed and the equilibrium is at a much lower economic level.
What is generally mentioned indirectly is a demographic aspect. But its no betrayal that female emancipation happened. Not the first time also, hellenistic world went through this up to the end - social collapse, but after long time.
And there is absolutely nobody stopping females of any race to reproduce. And the amount of resources available is without precedent. Of course if you choose not to and dislike the result its in human nature to shift blame to anyone else.
Of course something simmilar happens all over the world from Taiwan to Iran.
When europeans had a demographic boom they migrated all over the world. Now others are in the mist of their own demographic booms and well surprise they migrate.
Its that simple. Its reproduction, dogs and cats manage it quite well if well fed and left alone. Choosing not to in order to afford a high quality of life is neither a crime nor a conspiracy. Of course afterwards there is no surprise when your ethnical group shrinks. Can blame wife and daughter for that. It would be closer to the truth.
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ReplyDeleteIsrael's Supreme Court has upheld a law banning Palestinians who marry Israelis from gaining Israeli citizenship.
The ultimate objective source, I'm sure.
"Human rights do not prescribe national suicide," Judge Asher Grunis wrote in the judgement.
This would not be so easily claimed elsewhere.
Put the blame where it belongs: on Jews. Jews have been after Buchanan for years.
ReplyDeleteteo: When europeans had a demographic boom they migrated all over the world. Now others are in the mist of their own demographic booms and well surprise they migrate.
ReplyDeleteIts that simple. Its reproduction, dogs and cats manage it quite well if well fed and left alone. Choosing not to in order to afford a high quality of life is neither a crime nor a conspiracy.
It moves into "crime and conspiracy" territory when the means and popular desire to successfully prevent colonization exist, but their use is actively thwarted. Likewise when one is forced to subsidize the reproduction of aliens when one would rather put those resources into one's own family.
kudzu bob: that above all pro-Whites should enjoy the battle. If we do that, a lot of other things fall into place...
...Do you think that that man is wallowing in misery and despair right now? Hell no. He has had enough belly laughs for a dozen ordinary people since he ate breakfast today.
Have some fun, goddamnit!
Mon joie!
"When europeans had a demographic boom they migrated all over the world. Now others are in the mist of their own demographic booms and well surprise they migrate. Its that simple."
ReplyDeleteIt's simple alright, it just isn't true. Europeans didn't migrate, they conquered, and conquering is always a conspiracy. Immigration isn't a natural phenomenon, it's policy, the powers that be are more than capable of controlling the borders. Today's immigration is no more natural, and no more unstoppable, than Nazi "immigration" into Poland was. I'll give you props for managing to squeeze the three main talking points of the genocidal left into a few short paragraphs: "it's natural, you can't stop it", "it's your own fault that you're the victims of a policy of racist colonialism, you don't have enough children", and the ever popular appeal to greed "resistance means poverty and hunger!" I also agree that what we're seeing is a rotting empire, with the caveats that it is an internal empire and that a large number of the elites didn't "become a different specie", they were born that way, and that's what accounts for the extraordinary rapidity of both the destruction and of our actual elites choosing to "not really betray" their ethnic group.
"I believe that it was Alex Kurtagic who wrote at the Alternative Right website that above all pro-Whites should enjoy the battle."
ReplyDelete--
Kurtagic also extolled style over substance in at least a few of his essays in the past year. Or, to borrow from Irish satirist, Jonathan Swift, (author of Gulliver's Travels, A Modest Proposal, etc.), one cannot reason a man out of a thing that he has not been reasoned into.
So, fight? Sure, but more as a rhetorician than as a logician because most people respond far more readily to myths, images, and narratives than they do to logic and unadorned facts. Most of the readers of this site can reason their way out of a mass media manipulated matrix of mendacities; however, most of the readers of this site are outliers.
The purveyors of the liberal zeitgeist control the narrative (through cinema, TV, and popular fiction novels); to control the narrative is to control the culture; to control the culture is to control the go-along-to-get-along, which-way-is-the-wind-blowing herd of people.
Quite right. The importance of Kurtagic's insight cannot be overestimated.
DeleteBob Whitaker's Mantra is also invaluable.
I don't think there's any precedent in the 5000 years of recorded history for the replacement and gradual genocide of Whites that's been going on over the last 50 years or so. All previous invaders of foreign lands had to fight their way into the new territory they occupied. In some cases they had the co-operation of traitors among the rulers of the lands they conquered, but this treachery didn't become fixed policy throughout multiple changes of administration, as is the case now.
ReplyDelete“There is an enormous distance between Europe and the Third World. There is a new civilization emerging in the Third World that thinks that the white, northern hemisphere has always oppressed it and must therefore fall at its feet now. This is very serious.”
ReplyDelete“If the northern civilization wants to protect itself, it must be united: America, the European Union, and Russia. If they are not together, they will be defeated one by one.”
The above quote comes from Pat Buchanan's 'Suicide of a Superpower'. He is quoting the Russian ambassador to NATO, Dmitry Rogozin, from a 2008 interview. So evidently there are people at the top who understand what the score is. Too bad no American in such position utters this publicly.
@poultry inspector:
ReplyDelete"I don't think there's any precedent in the 5000 years of recorded history for the replacement and gradual genocide of Whites that's been going on over the last 50 years or so. All previous invaders of foreign lands had to fight their way into the new territory they occupied."
But it has happened before. And right now the issue is a little bit more complex.
For example if you have old people. Small nuclear families can't take care of them. No normal white woman will change grandma's diapers. So other women from poorer and more prolific societies will come to do that. Of course afterwards the servants mate will come. And they will have kids and so on.
Women also breed and have to go to work. Grandma from the example above of course did not want to change her grandson's diapers. Neither to stay with him when her daughter went to work. So another servant had to be imported.
Etc etc.
And I haven't mentioned construction work, agriculture and many other fields nobody who can avoid them ever comes close.
I think in "Teo" here we have another Scots-Irish or Je...err I mean "Irish and Scottish" individual trying to run the same tired old schtick...the chutzpah of these Scots-Irish menschen is something else. But seeing how this IS the same tired old schtick it's best to ignore it I think.
ReplyDeleteTC, Swift, and teo have given us very thoughtful ruminations. Pat Buchanan's new book is starkly bold in addressing the enormous pathology of white decline. TC is right to assert that most migrations were aimed at conquest but such migrations surely mixed races and cultural factors to create new genomes. Migrating humans fostered various cultural trends even as they may have modified the genetic makeup of emerging groups.
ReplyDeleteTC is mostly right about the relatively silent invasion from the Third World into white America aided and abetted by tribal cohorts and liberal elites. Europe suffers from an even more devestating influx that will inevitably result in dysfunctional societies like Brazil.Buchanan knows what we know without involving genetics at all, something I regret.The cultural wounds will, however, never heal unless we repeal recent history.
teo is right to some degree about poor Mexicans and others doing "dirty work" that others wish to avoid. Nonetheless, poor whites would happily do many jobs if the pay was reasonable.America could rebound from its ignorant and naive adaptation to beggerly regugees if it could be educated to think critically and thereby penetrate the pervasive lies and myths lavished upon every innocent white child by PC fanatics. I can't see this happening unless the national leadership has Romney's general high intellect and Bachmann's approach to immigration! This does not seem likely but Romney might surprise us.
Watching Stephen Pinker on C-Span the other night, I was attracted to his book-selling narrative on the alleged decline of violence worldwide. He carefully skirted the issue of racial differences even as he used the Flynn Effect to butress the claim that getting smarter may contribute to peaceful behavior.That the FBI finds declining crime rates hides the 2 million plus prison population and the obvious increase in Hispanic crime today.Pinker is a first-rate thinker despite his efforts to protect minorities from harsh reality. His new book "On the Better Angels of our Nature" should be interesting despite his personal inhibitions.My own view is that low grade crime and violence are rising with the influx of not "11 million" Hispanics but perhaps 30M who are currently adding billions in welfare costs across the Southern US.Even if the homicde rate plateus, the ovious signs of infrastructure decay, mass layoffs, and school security problems hints at a more bleak future. Pinker's hopeful if liberal essay belies a corrosive underworld of decay.
@Cornelius Troost:
ReplyDeleteGreat insight.
With all the economic problems in Europe we can see tested what you said. I am not living in the US and can't interpret personal behaviour there but "Nonetheless, poor whites would happily do many jobs if the pay was reasonable." is being tested right now in Europe. Natives are much poorer so they accept and want jobs they didn't want to do before. And immigrants are leaving.
It is a problem I think of prosperity. Some degree of poverty is it seems the only chance for europeans to survive. Prosperity drove people mad. If it's a matter of eating and heating the house or hmmm not doing those things people react and interpret everything differently.
About the PC fanatics. They are no more fanatics then the soviet activists. Be being an activist you get social status, good pay and you completly avoid working. No need to be fanatic, it's just self interest. In general people without any trace of character do this and they prosper. In common language they would be called gangs of crooks, but marketing is quite good. And this type of activities offer a professional outlet for the dumb and lazy children of the elite and for the ambitious from inferior social cathegories.
No need to see a conspiracy. Normal patologies of a properous society. Of course the working class is crushed, as it happened in the hellenistic and roman world. A quotation is famous for this "the Orontes was emptying itself into the Tiber" from Juvenal. Toynbee remade it with " tha Ganges emptying itself into the Tibre".
Now the Orontes started again after 2000 years to flow towards the Tiber. No conspiracy involved, but money showed up again into the pockets of the inhabitants of Italy. For 2000 years it was the Tiber emptying itself int everything from the Potomac to the Amazon.
@Rohan Swee
ReplyDelete@TC : " Europeans didn't migrate, they conquered, and conquering is always a conspiracy. Immigration isn't a natural phenomenon, it's policy, the powers that be are more than capable of controlling the borders."
The fact that european atlantic powers conquered a in our case the american continent is absolutely true. But the tens of millions of germans, italians, irish etc who went by boat there did it due to the enormous demographic boom taking place in Europe.
These are distinct things.
The portuguese example is perfect to illustrate. They wanted to populate the region - complicated stuff but I oversimplify to the extreme and refer to just a part of their demographic policy - and tapped Europe's excess population. Which existed because of the demographic boom.
The fact that immigration has a mssive economic impact is absolutely true. And that it is directed towards the owners of capital is also true. The working class and now the lower middle class are directly affected in a negative way. But their political power is clearly close to zero.
An example in this direction is Australia. Emmigration was extremly restricted so wages were very high and the quality of life great. Of course it didn't happen because the working class had anything to say. But the british crown didn't want to loose another continent like it happened with the 13 colonies. So they kept the population at a very low level , in canada the same and results were great.
What I am trying to underline is that we are talking about an extremly complex phenomenon.
"that a large number of the elites didn't "become a different specie", they were born that way, and that's what accounts for the extraordinary rapidity of both the destruction and of our actual elites choosing to "not really betray" their ethnic group."
The distance between the elites and the people was much smaller. Now by taking so much of the product of society and empire they are so very insanely rich they are closer to gods then human beings. Just like the roman or hellenistic elite before them. They were not born. They managed through political means to become true living gods. The like which afford to spend 5 milion dollars for a party - Clinton and his daughters wedding. And he is new money just an upstart and one who is forced to keep a low profile. What connection exists anymore between the true elite , the ones who threw 100 million to an activist and the proles, their former fellow citizens?
Buchanan column confirms he has been removed from MSNBC - Link
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