Wednesday, November 30, 2011

Science Keeps Proving HBD Right

From the Dept. of Duh: Impatient people have lower credit scores
Is there a psychological reason why people default on their mortgages? A new study, which will be published in an upcoming issue of Psychological Science, a journal of the Association for Psychological Science, finds that people with bad credit scores are more impatient – more likely to choose immediate rewards rather than wait for a larger reward later.

The new paper is by two economists who were working at the Federal Reserve’s Center for Behavioral Economics and Decisionmaking in Boston at the time they did the research. People at the Fed are very interested in understanding how the default crisis came about. “Most often, the reasons economists put forward are, maybe there was not enough screening for mortgage applicants, or securitization, or other institutional reasons,” says Stephan Meier, who is now at Columbia University. His coauthor, Charles Sprenger, is at Stanford University. ”That’s definitely important, but in the end humans make those repayment decisions. So there must be more psychological factors that explain how people make those decisions to default or not?”

During tax season, Meier and Sprenger recruited 437 low-to-moderate income people at a community center in Boston that was offering tax preparation help. Each person was given a questionnaire in which they made choices between a smaller, immediate reward and a larger reward later. This is a common test for seeing if people are willing to delay gratification. The questions offer different time periods and different amounts. The participants also agreed to let the researchers access their credit scores.

Impatient people had lower credit scores. A low credit score can indicate some problems with credit in the past, like failing to pay bills or defaulting on a mortgage. “Conceptually, it does make sense that how people discount the future, i.e. how impatient they are, affects their decision to default on their loans,” Meier says. “Individuals accumulate debt and then have to decide whether to repay the money or use the money for something else?” If they don’t pay off their debt, they will have short-term benefits – any cash on hand is available for something else – but the costs/problems come much later, when a landlord, mortgage lender, or someone else sees their bad credit report.
The paper, and the economist quoted in the article, make much of a "decision to default", as if "impatient" people, i.e. those with lower future time orientation, went around doing a lot of deliberating about their life choices. But some people have choices, others have choices thrust upon them. And still others make their choices without any thought for the future.

The article says nothing about how income correlated with "impatience", but it's a good assumption that lower credit scores correlate with income, hence with impatience.

The denialists will say that were we to teach the merits of deferred gratification, then this problem could be ameliorated. Unfortunately for them, the Big Five personality traits are about 50% heritable - and nobody knows where the other 50% comes from.

23 comments:

  1. Let's just start referring to blacks as "impatient people"

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  2. Of course, this is likely one of the reasons why a lot of auto insurance companies use your credit rating as a factor in determining your rates. It's a useful correlation that they're not banned from using in most states.

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  3. > The article says nothing about how income correlated with "impatience", but it's a good assumption that lower credit scores correlate with income, hence with impatience.

    Look at the descriptions - they're low to moderate income people who are asking for tax preparation help and who are willing to even give access to credit scores.

    Dollars to donuts, the research did in fact control for income. That is, the impatience predicts default even after income is taken into account. (It would be pretty mindboggling if they were publishing a paper as stupid as 'income inversely correlates with patience'.)

    If anyone wants to jailbreak it, the citation information:

    Time Discounting Predicts Creditworthiness
    Author(s): Stephan Meier, Charles Sprenger.
    Source: Psychological Science
    Exact Citation:
    Meier, Stephan, and Charles Sprenger. "Time Discounting Predicts Creditworthiness." Psychological Science (forthcoming).
    Date: 2011

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  4. I wonder if the questions indicating impulsiveness included preferring to accept a lower bulk payment for winning the lottery as opposed to annual payments later on, or a retirement buyout now as opposed to a purported annual payment. I may be somewhat impulsive, but in the cases listed above I would take the earlier payment because I lack any faith in the government or any company to continue payments in accordance with a prior agreement. I would rather take a smaller amount of money earlier and invest/save it myself than trust the beneficence of the government or corporations.

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  5. Sheila: and in whom and with whom would you be doing all that?

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  6. You link to Half Sigma's blog and I have some comments on that...

    Half sigma's economic ideas are ferociously unamerican. They are also old, old, old. They are pure Marxism and Marxism is the most incorrect and murderous ideology in history.

    Marxism is responsible for 100 million deaths and still counting. That is 17 Holocausts. Not to mention abject poverty everywhere that it is tried.

    For propagating this murderous filth I will call Half Sigma out...

    If Half Sigma were narrowly aiming his criticism at particular crimes with enough specificity that would be one thing. But this belief that all great fortunes are ill-gotten is the most murderous belief in history. All wealth is despised in Half Sigma's very familiar worldview. Half Sigma's ideas are ancient and make me grateful for the Second Amendment.

    Half sigma loves to heap scorn on religion but no religion comes within 100 miles of being as murderous as Half-Sigma's worldview.

    Repeat until you believe it: The North Korean government is awesome! I love forced labor! Dirt tastes delicious! That hunger where all I can do is eat bark off the trees is the best!

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  7. I don't follow HS word for word or anything, but I would say that calling him a Marxist is a stretch. I don't think he believes that all great fortunes are ill-begotten; just today he's praising George Soros (I wonder why). But HS's "value transference" scheme is, I believe, a crock.

    Anyway, I believe a few things that Marx said, and I'm no Marxist. For instance, "money is the alienated essence of mankind" makes some sense to me.

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  8. A new study, which will be published in an upcoming issue of Psychological Science, a journal of the Association for Psychological Science, finds that people with bad credit scores are more impatient – more likely to choose immediate rewards rather than wait for a larger reward later.

    Scientists astounded (as Lew Rockwell would say).

    Was this done by the same people who did the study that determined that water is wet?

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  9. Wait wait, Mista Dennis! If you agree with "... alienated essence ..." then you must understand it! I can't make a lick of it.

    What is an alienated essence?

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  10. Wait wait, Mista Dennis!

    That's what they used to call me in Sierra Leone!

    As for the Marxist phrase, I understand it to mean that we earn money through work, and work takes some of our life, through time and effort. Money is an abstraction that contains or represents all that has been extracted from human life. We all want more money because it represents life, hence power.

    Maybe the phrase doesn't make much sense after all...

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  11. Dept. of Duh indeed. This is basically a version of the Marshmallow Experiment (which was done 40 years ago). And then future time orientation correlates with IQ, and then IQ correlates with genes...

    Re: HalfSigma. His concept of "value" is Marxist to the core. The concept of economic value as something inherently objective is a centerpiece of Marxist theory.

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  12. "I wonder if the questions indicating impulsiveness included preferring to accept a lower bulk payment for winning the lottery as opposed to annual payments later on"

    Taking the bulk payment can imply that you think you can invest the money more wisely than they can, so it isn't necessarily the more impulsive decision. By contrast the steady check regime would apply to people who are atleast wise enough to know that they would use the money asap. And definately trust that the government won't inflate away the dollar should be pretty low these days.

    "Anyway, I believe a few things that Marx said, and I'm no Marxist. For instance, "money is the alienated essence of mankind" makes some sense to me."

    HS is definately a socialist, but socialism does have some places where HBD has made allowances for it to work. And he does relentlessly point out that a permenant underclass(the lumpen proletariat) doesn't really have any place under a more left leaning system(or any system for that matter), a point marxists themselves tend to shy away from.

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  13. The denialists will say that were we to teach the merits of deferred gratification, then this problem could be ameliorated.


    Teaching blacks to stop beating on whitey would be a worthwhile exercise.

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  14. It's basically about being a cog in the machine. Like an industrial worker doing endless, repetitive tasks producing parts for some widget. He's alienated from his product, his work, from other workers. Unlike, say, a craftsman or hunter.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx's_theory_of_alienation

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  15. This is off topic, but will interest or disgust readers of Dennis' blog. It is the story of Angel Adams and her 15 kids which Angel believes "somebody needs to pay for". How much longer can America and the other Euro nations afford this?

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  16. Let's just start referring to blacks as "impatient people"

    But they are only that way after suffering decades of institutional racism that forces them to stand in line for excessively lengthy periods of time waiting for welfare checks.

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  17. To an ever larger extent, HBD is science, and this fact will win over more and more people.

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  18. "Half sigma's economic ideas are ferociously unamerican. They are also old, old, old. They are pure Marxism and Marxism is the most incorrect and murderous ideology in history."

    How can ideas be 'unamerican' an sich? HS is no Marxist, he believes that 1%ers usually earned their money by exploitation of other more productive people, those who create the actual 'value'. High finance benefits itself at the expense of everyone else. While HS' theory is crude, it's not total BS. Check out this: http://tinyurl.com/cahfcdy

    The bonuses and salaries these people received where based upon results paid for by debts and in hindsight malinvestments. The bankers were not punished for their bad management; instead tax payers had to pay for it, because government bailed the failed banks out.

    Also, read up on some recent Iceland history. Around 30 guys managed to indebt their brethren for several generations in just a few years of bravado. The mess they created is astounding, to put it in perspective: German WWI reparations factored in three times less (per person). These 30 guys all fled the country and took most of their money with them. I don't know if that's value transference, but it sure ain't right.

    Dennis,

    "as if "impatient" people, i.e. those with lower future time orientation"

    - High time preference = present oriented = impatient.
    - Low time preference = future oriented = patient.

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  19. I don't think Half Sigma fully understands or knows how to articulate it, but the concept he's talking about is economic rent, which is not exclusive to Marxist economics.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_rent

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  20. "Half sigma's economic ideas are ferociously unamerican"

    Half Sigma says that most CEO's are overpaid,which I agree with. CEO's take no risk at all. They are working with other people's money, unless they funded their own company. Most of these guys are wealthy when they get the job of CEO so they don't have t worry about anything. They'll outsource here or cut there; if they are right they will make more money, if wrong they will be let go with millions in the bank. There are many people who work at a company to make it run but the CEO gets too much. You can make a case of a guy like Jobs making a ton of money because he founded the company, but did he risk his own money? I think he got investors early on. I have no problem with the guys who loaned the money making a lot back, but most CEO's are hired well after the company was started and took no risk in its founding.

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  21. I forgot to add that the computer industry relied on govt subsidy for years, so much for the free market.

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  22. My sis is a staunch Democrat, even though she parties and calls me QUEER for going to church. Go figure. Scary what the stanky BO thinks that sinfull mortal can become - we're all gonna croak, puppet BO controlled by the billionaire, fat-cats-who-think-they-can-outsmart-Jesus. If he gits another term, fulla outsourcing our jobs, total abortion like their subhuman, outNout homosexuality, open-borders with white-trash-TexMex's, and 'posse comitatus' with FEMA, I think we've completely lost, brudda. I went to church today to try to curb the rage, but there's lil we can do when God's outta-the-picture in BOs immature atheism. God, help U.S. Help those poor, mortal souls on earth who wanna Wiseabove.blogspot and go beyond to Heaven. Thanx for lissen'n, brudda. God blessa youse -Fr. Sarducci, ol SNL

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  23. O yeah. She loves the homosexual crowd. Pray for her.

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