In opposition to the despair porn of much of the alt-right, I've posited that a conservative renaissance lies unawakened within the masses, illustrated by anti-Obama rage and last year's Tea Party movement. However, the media, academia, and government inhibit the means by which these apprehensive conservative-leaning individuals find each other and, more importantly, discover the social sanction to express their anti-PC views. Commercials can do much to convince people that others like them exist, that others romanticize about a return to traditionalist America - the one we see in our parents' black and white photos and hear our elders reminisce about wistfully.I'm not sure who he exactly has in mind when he writes of "the despair porn of... the alt right", but since I've seen comments around the 'sphere regarding this blog's alleged undaunted grimness, I'll see whether I can answer the charge.
Optimism or pessimism are states of mind and as such are facets of reality. That doesn't mean that these states, which are meant by their possessors to reflect a true state of the outside world, are themselves accurate, only that any attempt at an assessment of the true state of affairs in this country and the world must take them into account.
But, rather than optimism or pessimism, my impression is one of complacency and acquiescence, on the part of those whom we want to motivate, to the powers that be. The people of whom One writes, that is those that have the older values - patriotism mainly - are living in a fantasy land. They believe that a change of government to Republican leadership is going to make a difference, and that a resurgence of patriotic fervor can make the country what it once was. They don't understand the concept of a hostile elite, one that is diametrically opposed to virtually everything that the patriots want, whether the issue is gay marriage, affirmative action, or, above all, immigration.
The patriots don't see that the elite wants to replace them, that the elite is no longer comprised merely of the more successful of their countrymen, but rather is comprised of a class of people with just about zero loyalty or fellow feeling for those who are at least nominally their own people. The patriots, with all of their embedded anti-racism, fail to see that the importation of a new people is part of a strategy to divide and conquer, for the immigrants and their offspring are mainly on the side of the elites.
The old America celebrated in that advertisement that One likes so much is just about gone, and nostalgia for it won't make it return.
In the last thread, there was a debate about how much responsibility the people of a country bear for the mess that's being made of it. While the elites with their mind-controlling PC do make it difficult to see clearly and to oppose when necessary, I'm inclined to think that that isn't much of an excuse.
As for the pessimism of the alt right, until (mainly white) Americans decide to put away their play stations and their football obsession and their belief that electing Romney or Cain will change much of anything, that pessimism is fully justified. But I can only speak for myself.
My play station has been down for years. I only slightly follow football anymore. Is there a next step?
ReplyDeleteAll your talk of "elites" is wildly optimistic pollyannaism. Under the rules we now have, and with the new people who've already been imported, a solid majority of voters correctly believe that it is in tbeir interest to keep the country on its present course. I wish it were only elites. It isn't.
ReplyDeleteLonger-term, the collapse will destroy them too, but that's like warning somebody about a stock market bubble just after he doubled his money on pets.com stock. He can't hear you.
Under the rules we now have, and with the new people who've already been imported, a solid majority of voters correctly believe that it is in tbeir interest to keep the country on its present course.
ReplyDeleteI agree with that, and said so in the post.
Dennis, you should remember that you and many of the posters here undoubtedly have above average IQs. This means that not only can you read, say, Plato and Aristotle more easily, you can also see through the lies and b.s. of the media and elite more easily.
ReplyDeleteHow much can we really expect from the millions to the left of you on the bell curve?
Despite the above, I thought the comment below by Alat in the Blair thread was spot on.
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"I have no doubt that the common people strongly disagrees with the ultimate destination of liberalism. But they do not disagree with the next step, so their opposition is only theoretical and ultimately meaningless.
To take an example: gay marriage would be an unthinkable demand even in the 1960s. If it had been the demand after Stonewall, there would have been no normalization of homosexuality. Even liberals wouldn't have bought that. But people did not oppose the small step that was taken then, and a succession of small steps has left us where we are today. Ditto for the rest of the liberal framework.
If the common people do not oppose the next small step, and they don't; if they are all Keynesians about the long-term prospect which they can see and dislike (I mean the Keynes of "in the long run we'll all be dead"), and they are - then I see no reason to absolve them from the guilt"
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ReplyDeleteAnon, apologies but I deleted that admittedly tame comment, as I have to live my life and I'd rather not live it in fear or even think about the implications, the latter causing plenty of fear in its own right.
ReplyDelete"Is there a next step?" Yes, local community building; one can build his own network or "tribe." One cannot save the country but he can save his little piece of it and build a meaningful life for himself and those he loves.
ReplyDeleteOver the centuries Whites have developed and perfected particularly stable and durable political systems, which in turn have provided the peace and stability for scientific and economic progress. I think this is now working against them. The sheer inertia of a century or two of political stability makes change more difficult and more imponderable for those who might consider it.
ReplyDeleteIf someone like Tony Blair ruled, say, a Middle Eastern country as he ruled England, to the similar detriment of the indigenous population, he'd probably have ended up dangling from a meat-hook years ago.
I'm optimistic in my pessimism.
ReplyDeleteIt's instructive to actually see what OneSTDV takes as the antidote to "despair porn".
ReplyDeleteCheck out the Chevy ad that OneSTDV finds to be "great" and a solution to the "alt-right's hasty defeatism". At 30 seconds in we have 3 x Youth: a Black with a White woman who are obviously coupling, with a White male up front of the car. These are the modern replacements for the 3 x White boys/men of the past, the historic lead White boy shirtless and defiant.
Replaced with miscegenation the modern lead boy seems to resignedly sigh accepting the status quo. Maybe even defiant in the face of some stalking KKK woodsman who might come and break up the scene.
And this is the central scene of the advertisement around which all that reminiscing revolves. (Let us note at this juncture that OneSTDV is actually taking his positive reinforcements and hope for a better world, from - TV marketing!!!)
If there is such a thing as despair porn, and I don't think there is, then the alternative from OneSTDV's perspective is Nostalgia Porn which he posits as the "you go get 'em grrrrrl!" solution to what ails us.
I had assumed that OneSTDV was simply airing his pretentious SWPL come hither HBDist snobbery and saintly levitation above the hoi poloi of his eltitist fantasies by coining or utilising, time and again, the term "despair porn" but, it's become apparent that he is in fact, simply a nostalgic melancholy moron who takes his cues from advertising agencies.
Jesus Christ, it's enough to make one despair.
OneSTDV just seems to like all that cornball Americana. Sentimental optimism is a big part of that. He loves the military wing of the fed government and said something about hair on the back of his neck standing up hearing the Star Spangled Banner. For us outside the US all that self-conscious American patriotism appears fake. The pre-game flyover, female and non-white soldiers standing to attention, and diverse singer of the anthem is all just so contrived it's hard to see it as anything other than blatant manipulation. (Think of the excruciating Super Bowl half-time show before the first Gulf War when the kid came out and sang "Don't you know you are my hero" dedicated to soldiers liberating Kuwait). I don't know for sure but I don't think the US was always this way. If old movies are anything to go by Americans carried themselves with a quiet confidence in the past.
ReplyDeleteOneSTDV writes in the comments:
As for the British Airways commercial: good stuff, but and maybe it's just me, I can't connect to anything foreign. I don't know why but I have a natural and very strong aversion to foreign media. For example, my SWPL sibling bought me The Office from england and I literally watched 5 minutes before turning it off and never watching it again.
There's nothing wrong with OneSTDV being rooted to his own country and he seems like a decent guy but I've never noticed much history or interest in US culture before the last decade in his writing. He seems young so perhaps mass marketed culture, including faux patriotism, is all he's known. I find it hard to believe that anyone older than 30 or with a sense of history can be optimistic about the direction the US (and the West) is going in. OneSTDV always sounds annoyed by those who can remember a better country. Obviously one shouldn't give up in total despair, as some alt-right commenters do, but optimism, like the false patriotism before sporting events, feels like denial at this stage.
it's become apparent that he is in fact, simply a nostalgic melancholy moron who takes his cues from advertising agencies.
ReplyDeleteThat's way OTT Pat.
For example, my SWPL sibling bought me The Office from england and I literally watched 5 minutes before turning it off and never watching it again.
This reminds me of a Mark Steyn column.
His post begins with:
ReplyDelete"I've written about commercials here before, such as 'stupid men commercials'" ...
I didn't watch the videos (I avoid the MSM) but I could see from the (still) picture in the first video that it was not going to be one of those "stupid men commercials", but rather a stupid WHITE man commercial.
There are NO stupid men commercials on TV; there are only stupid WHITE man commercials on TV. No stupid Chinese, blacks, mestizos, or muslims, only stupid WHITE men.
This alerted me immediately to the possibility that I had landed on the site of one of those "PC conservatives" or "respectable conservatives" who pull their punches (because the truth might offend someone) and thus whose analysis on any given topic isn't worth a damn.
Now, when Pat Hannagan writes that the second video (thankfully I didn't watch it) is about a mixed-race couple and STD unreservedly approves of the content of this video, then I think that my initial impression was correct.
Conclusion: I won't be adding a STD bookmark to my browser anytime soon.
"In opposition to the despair porn of much of the alt-right, I've posited that a conservative renaissance lies unawakened within the masses, illustrated by anti-Obama rage and last year's Tea Party movement."
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't get much more depressing than anti-Obama rage and Tea Party protests. How can I not remain cynical? Raging against Democrats does not foretell "a conservative renaissance". Is OneSTDV seriously arguing that this is anything more than business as usual?
I don't know if he's over 30. He talks about liking Eminem and having wigger tendencies when he was a teen. I would guess that his age is probably 25-35.
ReplyDeleteAs for the British Airways commercial: good stuff, but and maybe it's just me, I can't connect to anything foreign.
ReplyDeleteThis doesn't surprise me. One seems to have problems with any sort of complexity or nuance that doesn't seem immediately relevant, practical or 'close to home'.
It's a very strange contrast with his otherwise intellectual demeanour. He's a strange kid that way. Maybe he'll grow out of it.
@Diane
ReplyDeleteOneSTDV is 31 years old.
Dennis,
ReplyDeleteWhere I saw us parting ways was in your last paragraph: I don't believe there are enough "(mainly white) Americans" who don't have a conscious stake in the system as it is.
Mainly, I was attempting to be funny: You laid out a pretty pessimistic position, so I said "oh, don't be such an optimist". But maybe there's a reason SNL isn't returning my calls.
It's hard to sound upbeat when dealing with serious subjects. The country has demographic cancer and everyone around seems to have their head in the sand; the media is telling us a little cancer is good for us. Pretending the cancer isn't growing just doesn't work.
ReplyDeleteHave a nice day :) .
As for the pessimism of the alt right...that pessimism is fully justified.
ReplyDeleteAnd it's useful here to clarify what pessimism is.
It may be characteristic of a mind formed by "commercial culture" to confuse pessimism with despair, and optimism with hope. They are not the same things. (I have a vague memory of these distinctions being presented to me in my early, haphazard exposure to the faith of my ancestors.) Pessimism is not a negative state, nor passivity its symptom. It can easily co-exist with the most vigorous and truly hopeful positive action. "Grim cheerfulness" is not an oxymoron.
Neither is "hopeless optimist". Optimism can be mindless and passive, whereas the traditionally-defined virtue of "hope" is anything but the mere happy-clappy possession of rose-colored glasses. I'm grimly pessimistic as hell, and I wake up every morning with a song in my heart. A pretty bloody-minded song, mind you, but I feel fine.
(Word verification was "snesiv". Sounds like some reconstructed proto-Indo-European word having to do with noses, like "snouts", "snooty", "snobby". As in "man, I'd like to clock that snesiv little bastard". See, grimly cheerful.)
Chicago wrote: The country has demographic cancer and everyone around seems to have their head in the sand;
ReplyDeleteDemographic cancer is an excellent metaphor. I wish that people were merely putting their heads in the sand about said cancer, but sadly, we're bombarded with the message that "Demographic cancer is our greatest strength!"
Agree that "demographic cancer" is a, well, "felicitous" isn't the word I want here, but a great metaphor that needs to go into the debate arsenal.
ReplyDeleteAnd is there anything one can do besides, "wake people up?" What if they don't wake up?
ReplyDeleteAre not some people better persuaded by example? Should we be leaders of the community we desire in real life and not just in the world of ideas and cyberspace?
ReplyDeleteMaybe the current direction of Western Civilization is the inevitable consequence of what Spengler described as "a spiritual reaching out into boundless space". Female emancipation, gay marriage, tolerance, affirmative action, immigration, anti-natalism, individualism, globalism, political correctness, nihilism and so on are sort of new territories for humanity to reach into. Nothing is forbidden. What other civilization could be capable of this?
ReplyDeleteWhat's wrong with football?
ReplyDeleteVox Day talks football all the time, and I don't think anyone would accuse him of being complacent about these serious issues.
(He is also a big time video gamer, FWIW).
What's wrong with football?
ReplyDeleteAmerican football is a celebration of the black man. Think of the Jacked Up! segment on MNF that celebrated thuggish cheap shots, almost always by blacks. There also appears to be widespread discrimination against white players. See Caste Football. The NFL is also a leftist league that pushes cultural Marxist values as do the corporations that televise the sport through their choice of commentators and analysts. Even the commercials push the agenda. They wrap all this up in the US flag (usually oversized and accompanied by uniformed soldiers) and tens of millions of white Americans eat it up, taking in much of the propaganda. How's that for "despair porn"?
It would be tough having cancer if your doctors, the hospitals and all the medical literature were assuring you that the tumour is the best thing that ever happened to you and you must be thankful for it as it ravages your body. That's what's happening with race replacement.
ReplyDelete"What's wrong with football?"
ReplyDeleteBread and circuses. Football is the biggest of the circuses.
OneSTDV's position is pure bunkum masquerading as patriotism. If One wishes to be positive and proactive in his quest for a return to traditional White national values then One needs to name names.
ReplyDeleteOne doesn't like to a) name names and then b) note the ethnic-racial-religious characteristics of those names, therefore One is in no position to a) provide a solution for what ails us nor b) castigate anyone for being so called despairing or pessimistic.
For instance, the great One finds as one of the greatest enemies of USA! USA! USA! rahrahrah, the despised Mel Gibson. Of all the people that go about the cesspit of national dissolution that is Hollywood, what is it about Mel Gibson that riles the supercalifragilistic One so?
One is one of those people who strawman any attempts to factually cite causes for national dissolution to a particular group of people as "conspiracy" type of argument thus negating any attempts to grapple with the problems at hand. Just like his idol Auster does. Yet Auster is always prepared to out-of-hand excoriate whole peoples in the British (the dead isle), the Germans (we must keep them at our feet or they will be at our throats), Europeans, Catholics etc etc. But touch a Jew and on goes the shield generator as they bunker down in Endor.
I'm sure that he and similar others would respond to this as "there they go with their Jew based conspiracy theories", today he writes:
The elite may hold power, but the notion that a furtive cabal of greedy, cigar-smoking money-mongers controls everything and, more importantly, are keeping everyone else down mirrors what one could deem "Michelle Obama" syndrome - attributing to malice that which is adequately explained by mediocrity or pathology.
Well, what would One know? Why should we take his word when he deliberately avoids discussing who/whom?
Until he questions who/whom then One shall remain a melancholy moron bordering on malicious, his only saving grace from the latter charge being that he's too insipid to be capable of maliciousness.
What a joke to get a lecture from this risible pseudo academic invoking the magical powers of positive thinking to resuscitate a deliberately attacked nation:
In sum, the elite do not "own" a nation - the people do. They just need to realize it.
In sum, One has no ability to save a nation because One doesn't even realise or understand what constitutes and creates a nation. The America of his nostalgic vision was racially, religiously and culturally a vastly different America to that of the Judeo-America of today. All his Tony Robbins like awakening of the giant within will not turn about the destruction wrought by the Judeo element upon his America.
I love how Pat manages to work Mel Gibson into almost every blog post he comments on.
ReplyDeleteAuster's site is also pretty despair porn-ish, so OneSTDV is criticizing him here, as well. He even mentioned that specifically in his last post.
I love how Pat manages to work Mel Gibson into almost every blog post he comments on.
ReplyDeleteHa, that's a bit of an exaggeration IHTG. I mentioned Mad Max because I remember OneSTDV getting all righteously indignant, to the point of spitting chips, over the Road Warrior's drunken ramblings about Jews. It struck me as bizarre that a White American traditionalist could have such an absolute position re Mel but be so forgiving of the Jewish cabal that runs Hollywood. As you pointed out, OneSTDV is likely Turkish or Armenian so that doubled my puzzlement.
As for Auster's site being "despair porn-ish" I don't think that's sustainable. He's despair porn-ish when it comes to "Gentile" peoples and their former nations but uber Tony Robbins when it comes to his favourite exiles.
Eg> Jewish Genius and Jewish Intelligence.
Not only are Jews super awesome mad brilliant but also "My intuition about this, as I've told about previously, is that Jews have some extra psychic "charge." Break out the tissues boys, Austers on batting off rampage!
...this "charge" of which I speak is an expression of the fact that the Jews are a people specially designed for God.
In short, the Jews are a people designed for God...
Why do the Jews play this unique, and uniquely odd, role in history? I suppose it's because in order for God to reveal himself to mankind, he couldn't reveal himself to the whole human race at once, he had to start by revealing himself to a particular people, and that people happened to be the Hebrews.
Wow, not much despair there.
Funny thing is, well funny to me who is not smitten by Juden idolatry, that given Jewish High IQ and their "extra psychic "charge." which "...can be seen positively, as talent and drive, or negatively, as pushiness and zealotry." one would identify the Jews in particular, just as "universal truth expresses itself through particularity." as being a source for great good OR great evil.
But, sigh, that's just me being anti-semitic again. It's pathological did you know IHTG? Yes, sadly I have a mental illness called anti-semitism. I see Jew cabals every where, especially at Canter's Deli (Abe Foxman told me so).
As Auster instructs: The above can also be seen as an explanation for the uniquely pathological phenomon of anti-Semitism, that it springs ultimately from resentment at Jews' role as the original carriers of ethical monotheism to mankind.
Why, you in fact told me I was resentful once didn't you? Ha, you Jews crack me up.
As Mad Max said: Two days ago, I saw a vehicle that would haul that tanker. You want to get out of here? You talk to me.
As you pointed out, OneSTDV is likely Turkish or Armenian so that doubled my puzzlement.
ReplyDeleteHe is European. OneSTDV has admitted his exact countries of origin on the comments of an old blog post somewhere. This was before his blog became very well-known. I won't say where.
Why won't you say where IHTG? What's the big secret that OneSTDV's got to hide? No one's asking his real name or geographical location so why all the subterfuge?
ReplyDeleteIs the majesty that is One a native born Yank or not? As Sabril the interrogator likes to say, simple question, how about a simple answer?
I'm starting to come around to something similar to Pat H's take on One. He is, well, a bit second rate as a thinker. And is writing style is both pompous and a touch twee.
ReplyDeletePerhaps he'll get better with age.
Let's be positive, let's get on the front foot looking for some balls to hit, let's examine what Auster is saying.
ReplyDeleteWhen Auster says "Jews are a people specially designed for God" he is speaking about the Jews as a race. And Auster asserts that this race called Jews have a "unique" role in history in that this race called Jews are the single and sole channel for God's intervention in the world.
These Jews are not my race, yet these Jews who hold this notion of themselves as the avatar of God's justice and law on this earth control the channels of cultural and information communication in our nations. These Jews have an inordinate control of the world superpower's political and judicial sphere. This is of course a disastrous situation for us if these Jews, who hold themselves as a race and uniquely different to all other races in that they are God's earth rod, do not act always in our interests.
So here's my positive, optimistic suggestion: how about we send these Jews out of our nations and into their own in Israel? Let's do it.
And Auster couldn't wouldn't disagree because he suggests the same for Muslims in our lands. Now let's hear it from OneSTDV since he is so positive and leading the light brigade on our behalf, what does he have to say about this fantasmagorical plan?
Ah, but here my natural, realistic pessimism gets the better of me. One won't ever identify such a thing let alone suggesting anything about it. He'd much prefer to go celebrate an NFL game, troll leftard blogs, and post nauseating video clips of "our boys" exposed on the front of his democracy wars being presented as gift wrapped presents to their indulgent progeny wrap all that up as patriotism.
But, that's my plan, that's how we get out of here (for starters).
Wow, people are really piling on OneSTDV. I don't understand the hate. He's a good blogger and has come up with some novel ideas.
ReplyDeleteLooks like One was right that the far right is too negative.
He's a good blogger and has come up with some novel ideas.
ReplyDeleteLike what?
Like saying that veganism is a religious belief, or that vegetarianism and veganism are part of a larger constellation of liberal or anti-Western attitudes.
ReplyDeleteLike saying that veganism is a religious belief, or that vegetarianism and veganism are part of a larger constellation of liberal or anti-Western attitudes.
ReplyDeleteFWIW I don't mean to suggest all vegetarians are like this, but the ones I know personally tend to associate vegetarianism with non-Western traditions and think it makes them more enlightened. One describes these people to a T.
I also came up with racial/white moral autonomy:
ReplyDeletehttp://onestdv.blogspot.com/2010/09/racial-minorities-and-morality-tea.html
http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2011/07/moral-argument-for-racial-homogeneity.html
I'd respond to the bashing above, but I honestly don't feel like engaging with individuals like Pat. It's simply not worth my time and it's just plain exhausting.
I'll merely say that I abhor both anti-white Hollywood Jews and AIPAC soft-treasonous Jews, but I dislike them just as much as I dislike anti-white and anti-Western gentiles. I don't care if they're Jews, I care that they're anti-white leftists.
I think also that Pat has explicitly expressed what much alt-right pessimism is about - the Jews (though Mangan wouldn't apply here). He somehow brings every single discussion, no matter what the topic, back to the Jews. I don't like reducing someone's position to that, but if it applies. And it's not a sort of academic aversion to Jews as in KMac, there's something unhinged about it.
I honestly think guys like Pat do not actually want a conservative, traditionalist renaissance because they'd rather just blame Jews for everything going wrong. I think they actually prefer "name the Jews" to a strong, pro-white, 1950's society.
Additionally, notice that Pat ascribes positions to me (and Auster) that we've never supported. It's hard to argue against someone who continually puts words into your mouth and appears not to even read carefully what one's actual positions are.
And seriously, enough with the hard-on for Mel Gibson. I can't recall that pathetic of white-knighting anywhere else in this sphere, especially for another guy.
A couple more items:
-Is my writing a "touch twee"? Yea I admit it. I like patriotic sentimentality, oh well. But note that exists within a race realist conception of America.
This alerted me immediately to the possibility that I had landed on the site of one of those "PC conservatives" or "respectable conservatives" who pull their punches (because the truth might offend someone) and thus whose analysis on any given topic isn't worth a damn.
LOL, clearly has never read my blog.
I don't see how one can talk about the western world without being pessimistic. I don't see how one can get through to people - to make them see what future is likely in store for us - except by being pessimistic. If you tell people "We're in dire straits, but I'm sure everything will work out", they'll put they're head right back in the sand. If, on the other hand, you tell them "Your country will be poorer and more backward, and your children will be dispossed in their own country", something might sink in.
ReplyDeleteOh c'mon One you can do better than that, surely. Before I take the victory lap around my balcony and spray the fans below with my uncorked champagne, what are these positions I've incorrectly ascribed to you and your buddy Auster?
ReplyDeleteHe somehow brings every single discussion, no matter what the topic, back to the Jews Well, if you won't do it somebody has to. Didn't you once tell me you didn't want me to mention Jews anymore at your blog even if the subject was pertinent and applicable to your post? Now don't make me go searching and citing the quote because I'm sure you remember writing it.
I don't always drag Jews into my discussions but always do so when it's relevant. And this post by Mangan is about you accusing others of "despair porn" yet you refuse to identify the racial, religious and cultural characteristics of those who are doing our nations damage. You say you are about us, yet you haven't identified who we are. I think that's important, critical in fact.
I honestly think guys like Pat do not actually want a conservative, traditionalist renaissance because they'd rather just blame Jews for everything going wrong. Wrong. I just don't want Jews involved in the running of my country nor the USA and wish them the best of luck in Israel. If anything I'm a fascist but am prepared to accept the simple Oz that we were, not so long ago under the White Australia policy. Why is that so hard to understand?
I've cited and can cite as many times as necessary Jewish involvement in the dismantling of that policy, opposition to SA apartheid and the introduction of racial and religious anti-vilification laws in Oz. KMac has done a brilliant job for our people with regard Jewish movements in the USA. But you call that an "academic aversion to Jews", why? Isn't KMac simply preferring his people over other's people and academically going about documenting Jewish movement subversion of our people? Of course he is but you have a problem with that. Why? Are you our people?
Re. Our Mel - why don't you tell us again what your beef is with Mel? I'll get your quotes for you if you aren't up to it.
And, when are you going to tell us your nationality (as opposed to citizenship)?
Hah, now NCIS and their black top man is saving us from the Military Industrial Complex and Homeland Security.
ReplyDeleteOneSTDV on Mel Gibson, in his post A Defense of Jews for Jesus:
ReplyDeleteExcerpt from post: "One presumes such pointed language would be reserved for true haters like Mel Gibson."
OneSTDV in comments:
"I truly believe Gibson is a Jew-hater. He said, completely unprovoked, that "Jews started all the wars in the world."
His unrepentant and often aggressive interviews afterwards, along with his father's views, are enough for me to conclude that he's a Jew-hater.
There's a big difference between being annoyed with Hollywood Jewish leftists and the type of vitriol spewed by Gibson. If you can't see that, oh well."
Part of my reply:
A Jew-hater? So what?! What does it matter. Maybe he's got very good reasons to hate Jews like Jesus hated the Pharisees.
1) Mel Gibson got drunk and abused a Jew. He apologised (which he shouldn't have imo) and was relentlessly hammered over this one night. Not the drunk driving mind you, it was the drunken slur that mattered.
2) Mel Gibson is accountable for his father's views according to you. I didn't know you were into collective guilt that spans the ages. Much like the Christ killer motto that Jews hate. In any case, Gibson's father is unrelentingly hostile to the post Vatican II Catholic Church but I have yet to see this played out as a crime against humanity. Where's the condemnation for being anti-Catholic?
In conclusion: Mel Gibson's one night of drunken rambling combined with his father's opinions only and specifically related to Jews is enough for you to call Mel Gibson a "true hater".
So what is it about Mel that he gives you a hate boner OneSTDV? Feel the same way about Michael Richards and his "nigger rant"? Feel that Michael Richards is a "true hater"?
OneSTDV re, don't mention the Jews, or if you do, do it quietly (from his post about "...America's Cultural Racial Hierarchy":
General comment: every comment thread in which you [Hannagan] post turns into a flame war about the Jews due to you mentioning them whether it's pertinent to my writing or not. It's annoying and please stop doing it. If I write a post about Jews, feel free to talk about them. Other than that, try to restrain yourself.
(Emphasis mine)
Yet in that post OneSTDV asks: "Depicted as culturally empty, whites are told via commercials, TV shows, and general media that whatever blacks are doing is innovative and cool." to which I responded, "I guess the next question is: who controls all those commercials, TV shows, and general media?"
But, no. Mustn't go there, even if it's pertinent to OneSTDV's post. No wonder I despair and turn to drink.
"The patriots don't see that the elite wants to replace them, that the elite is no longer comprised merely of the more successful of their countrymen, but rather is comprised of a class of people with just about zero loyalty or fellow feeling for those who are at least nominally their own people"
ReplyDeleteDavid Korten in the book When Corporations Rule the World calls these people the Cloud Minders. These are the international elite who run the world and I am sure laugh at the average American.
poultry inspector said...
ReplyDeleteOver the centuries Whites have developed and perfected particularly stable and durable political systems, which in turn have provided the peace and stability for scientific and economic progress. I think this is now working against them. The sheer inertia of a century or two of political stability makes change more difficult and more imponderable for those who might consider it.
I think there's a lot to this. I actually made a similar comment in the last thread, before I saw yours. It's an interesting question whether political stability is intirinsically self-defeating in the way you describe, or if we just have a form of political "stability" that's artificial and unsustainable. Maybe a mix of the two.
Re. Our Mel - why don't you tell us again what your beef is with Mel?
ReplyDeleteMaybe he just doesn't like rambling, unhinged Australians in general?
Matra said...
ReplyDeleteWhat's wrong with football?
American football is a celebration of the black man. Think of the Jacked Up! segment on MNF that celebrated thuggish cheap shots, almost always by blacks. There also appears to be widespread discrimination against white players. See Caste Football. The NFL is also a leftist league that pushes cultural Marxist values as do the corporations that televise the sport through their choice of commentators and analysts. Even the commercials push the agenda. They wrap all this up in the US flag (usually oversized and accompanied by uniformed soldiers) and tens of millions of white Americans eat it up, taking in much of the propaganda. How's that for "despair porn"?
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I agree with everything that Matra writes here about football. I would just like to add a link to a film review about white football fans. It's a very unflattering portrait of white males patronizing a sport that is comprised mostly of thuggish blacks.
A film review of Big Fan
Over the centuries Whites have developed and perfected particularly stable and durable political systems, which in turn have provided the peace and stability for scientific and economic progress.
ReplyDeleteUm, no. The history of Europe is not one of peace and stability, or of long-lasting political systems. Even the political system of the United States has changed profoundly in the past 228 years - arguably we are on at least our fourth republic, counting 1783-1860, 1860-1933, 1933-1965, and 1965-present - and one of those changes required a bloodbath of monumental proportions.
Even the political system of the United States has changed profoundly in the past 228 years - arguably we are on at least our fourth republic,
ReplyDeleteI think that's his point. By your count there have been two sea changes in the past 100 years, yet outwardly the system has shown a great deal of stability and continuity.
Pat,
ReplyDeleteThank you for bringing those things up and summarizing them so well; they are critically important. I like OneSTDV's blog but I think he has a lot of catching up to do.
"a solid majority of voters correctly believe that it is in their interest to keep the country on its present course"
ReplyDeleteNot true! Most Whites don't want to become a minority, and most of them correctly think that their country is on the wrong course.
"I think they actually prefer "name the Jews" to a strong, pro-white, 1950's society."
ReplyDeleteYou do realize that a strong component of that society was the propensity for WASPs and other white ethnics to 'name the Jew' right?
The rapid deconstruction (as opposed to the gradual slide) of our society began within a single generation of post-WWII PC squeamishness about 'naming the Jew'. The only ostensibly "right-wing" (you know, the one that promotes eradicating national borders and religious obeisance to usury) revival since then was also one dreamed up by a Jewish intellectual.
Being squeamish about offending Jews, or qualifying the good Jews from the bad Jews is not a defining characteristic of this golden age you want to return to.
"Most Whites don't want to become a minority, and most of them correctly think that their country is on the wrong course."
ReplyDeleteNot that I doubt you, but can you guess the number and the intensity? The areas I live in and visit are race-mixing central, even among "conservatives."
The greatest reason for hope lies in the fact that our elite class has embarked upon a project that is doomed to failure. And not just because of the long-term demographic effects of that project but also because of other economic and environmental considerations that aren't well understood on this blog.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, it won't be long before the waves of reality destroy the ideological house now occupied by the vast majority of our ruling class.
"my impression is one of complacency and acquiescence"
ReplyDeleteI think the problem is one of apathy, not acquiescence. If the government suddenly decided to stop immigration, and deport non-white immigrants, both legal and illegal, I don't think it would trigger a mass revolt of White people against the government.
"While the elites with their mind-controlling PC do make it difficult to see clearly and to oppose when necessary, I'm inclined to think that that isn't much of an excuse."
If people fail to react, they are blamed for acquiescing. If they turn to violence, they are blamed for being psychopaths. They don't know what to do. Ideally, they should try peaceful pro-white activism, but that isn't easy.
I think the idea of free will makes more sense for an individual than for a crowd. It's all right to blame an individual for his weaknesses. It you tell him to make an effort, that may encourage him to improve himself. But if millions of people behave inadequately, it's no use blaming their lack of will and telling them to make a bigger effort. There must be something wrong in their environment and circumstances.
I think there is a real problem of mind-control. The media have been able to change the way we perceive both our individual and our collective identities.
The main problem with the "right" is you have a bunch idiots who just want to rail about Democracy. They're like the Russian Generals of 1918, they support the Government and elite institutions, even when those elites are destroying the country.
ReplyDeleteThere was silly Russian General who went to Petrograd to ask Lenin for orders in 1917, he was shot to death by a commissar sent to 'greet him'.
Similarly, even when we five Ginsburg/Kagans on the SCOTUS, you'll have Right-wingers worshiping the Judiciary.