Of course, as with all nations, this comes to down race. In essence, is American patriotism now just the empty slogan of a disjointed collective? The cry of an enervated people who have little to unite them besides sterile propositions and philosophical ideas? [...]Much as I would like to agree with One as to keeping alive a sense of red-white-and-blue patriotism, I'm finding it difficult. the 9/11 commemorations - seen through print media only, since I don't watch television - left me cold. (And no disrespect intended to anyone who lost family or friends that day.) It all looked to me like another excuse to celebrate diversity, as well as our feel-good tolerance of Islam in America. We've done very little to achieve real security from more terrorism, and what we have done has infringed mightily on American freedoms, not to mention killing a good number of young American men. (And tens of thousands of Iraqis.) And the maudlin sentimentality on display is unworthy of any people that consider themselves part of a great nation.
So where does this leave the race-conscious reactionary? Does he give up on the country he founded, the country inexplicably linked to his genetic lineage? Perhaps the previous discussion would have one presume otherwise, but I say no. All too often amongst the alt-rightosphere, commenters seek to criticize and lament the current situation. And since much of this despair is entirely reflexive, they repudiate mainstream patriotism as well. Further, they argue that America has been lost to inimical political and cultural forces that stigmatize whites (men).
The point, as evinced by the commemorations, is the estrangement from what is supposed to be our own country. On 9/11/2001, many of us were as patriotic, or more so, than the average American. But since then, with ever more mass immigration, with the government and the media waging a sub rosa struggle against the notion that the descendants of those who populated the country and made it what it was have any claim to hold onto it, patriotism comes to look like foolishness, an expression of loyalty to an entity that has no intention of returning the favor.
I agree with your sentiment. I feel like a stranger in a strange land, getting ever stranger. Even the whites I move among are like unto deracinated zombies to me. I feel so lonely.
ReplyDeleteDennis, I'm sympathetic to what your saying and think that mass migration from Mexico is bad for this country, but let me play devils advocate.
ReplyDeleteEuropeans lived in Europe for say 10,000-20,000 years. They then get on a boat and come to the United States, on average say about 100 or so years ago. At the time, America is enhabited by Indians who presumably have been here as long as Europeans in Europe. Then all of the sudden whites have some sort of claim to this country forever and to block everyone else from coming to this country?
While these are indeed rocky and foolish times, I just don't see that all is lost, honestly.
ReplyDeleteThe thing is, if males of European descent have something great going on their DNA, and they surely do, which allowed them to invent almost every mechanical thing and most of the body of philosophy, science and so forth, this benefit will remain 100 and 500 years from now. It will be something that cannot be simply taken away.
If one looks at places like Brazil or Mexico, where there has been mixing for something like 10 generations or more, those of European ancestry are doing just fine. In South Africa, those of European ancestry are really doing okay, better I think than those not of European ancestry even when you consider killings, and in the face of intensive official discrimination against whites.
The endowments of those of European ancestry do not always assert themselves best in symbolic summer (i.e. good times, the last 150 years or so in America) but often instead symbolic winter (i.e. most of human history). Our European ancestors came forth through brutal winters literally.
Maybe this is a pessimistic post because it does not assume America will continue well as it is. It is liable to break. But that would hardly mean the end of our lineages (perhaps quite the contrary!).
I say go forth optimistically and have descendants, grateful for the blessings and endowments that will be theirs.
Don't feel resentment or anger toward those who seem to be 'milking' the system or else dancing around the golden calf of PC for they will surely get theirs, and their descendants (if there are any) surely face a harder future.
Looking even shorter-term, the future belongs to those that respect faith and family. For example, overwhelmingly most Jewish births in the UK are suddenly now to the ultra-orthodox (who actually believe in God and enduring values) even though they are but a fraction of the overall Jewish population. The Jewish population in the UK is rising for the first time in 50 years and its much more orthodox.
History is a marathon and it is yet early. If you look at a marathon at mile marker 1, it won't make any sense and you think you have chaos.
I have to agree. Why should I love a country that considers me at best fifth class? That prefers say a drunken welfare mooch of the President over me? Just because said drunken welfare mooch is African?
ReplyDeleteI have no intention of fighting or dying for the Colors of Benetton.
Oops meant to say "drunken welfare mooch uncle of the President." Uncle Whatshisname, the one arrested for crashing into a police car while drunk outside the "Bar Rescue" profiled "Chicken Bone" bar/nightspot.
ReplyDeleteThat would be Uncle Omar.
ReplyDeleteSilly Silly Green Tea!
ReplyDeleteHe has no understanding of the difference between a Nation and a "Country".
Green Tea thinks he's being "inclusive" and "pluralist".
What Green Tea really thinks is that this place would be better with more non-Whites, and fewer Whites. He hides it behind the idea that the White Nation has no "right" to exclusivity.
Green Tea probably thinks he's "anti-racist", but that's just code for anti-White.
Europeans lived in Europe for say 10,000-20,000 years. They then get on a boat and come to the United States, on average say about 100 or so years ago. At the time, America is enhabited by Indians who presumably have been here as long as Europeans in Europe. Then all of the sudden whites have some sort of claim to this country forever and to block everyone else from coming to this country?
ReplyDeleteGreen Tea, or Yan Shen, it is a bit more complicated than that. They did not just come over on a boat. They came over and built some of the wealthiest, safest and most stable places to live and raise families.
When you say America was inhabited by Indians, I assume you mean North, Central and South America from Alaska to Argentina and not just the United States. Therefore, Mexicans and other southern New Worlders are already living in their ancestral homes, and the Indians in the US and Canada have their reservations. So why do they need to come to our lands? Oh yeah, because those Europeans built some of the wealthiest, safest and most stable places to live and raise families.
Whether the non-Europeans realize it or not, they are coming to the US and Canada, and Australia and Europe for that matter, because of the wealth and stable societies created by Europeans. The risk they run is that too many of them will irrevocably change those dream destinations they seek into the hellholes from whence they came.
Green Tea must be new around here.
ReplyDelete100 years ago? In my case, try about 350-400 years ago. We're not all Ellis Islanders.
Here's a great pice by Fjordman on a fake nation (aka propositional nation) vs a real nation (a nation rooted in blood, as the Latin root for nation nasci implies):
ReplyDeletehttp://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/06/when-treason-becomes-norm-why.html
During the last couple years of his writing (before he was recently outed) Fjorman was definitely drifting more toward the Alt Right.
Green Tea, in other words, thinks Diaspora Europeans have no right to exist and should be genetically annihilated.
ReplyDeleteHBD, Robert Putnam's research and the example of Latin America predict, where the journey is headed. Patriotism and identification with the whole will decline and I don't think it's going to be a matter of choice.
ReplyDeleteWhat about a european diaspora model? Most Jews don't speak a word of Hebrew and haven't set foot in Israel once. Yet they idealize the place. This helps them bond together as a community.
It seems to me that the american right is already trending into that direction.
If the US is a nation of immigrants and European Americans are just another group of immigrants, well then they better stick together, as immigrants do.
I empathize very much with you Mangan. Before my racial awakening as a committed Han nationalist I too nourished patriotic feelings. Now all I feel is the sting of bile and contempt as I see my homeland turned into this.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.chinasmack.com/2011/pictures/africans-in-guangzhou-opportunities-discrimination.html
The shameless rat bastards that call themselves a government have let in a tsunami of Africans in the name of turd world solidarity. My people have yet to be racially gelded as have whites in the West but mark my words the state-controlled media does it's best. The one good thing about living in a dictatorship is that scant few believe their lies. The heinous crimes of the communist party perpetrated against the Han race are without counting. My only solace is the hope that this ember will ignite the flames of revolution as they did in 1989. Farmers protesting land seizures are apparently enough to earn the wrath of police beatings but a spreading plague of crime, disease, drugs, rape, and miscegenated bastardry are nothing to worry about.
Duke of Qin, very well said. I'm the "anonymous" who first challenged the PC BS put out by "Green Tea" above. I've spent many years in the Middle Kingdom, and have a high respect for Chinese people and culture. Yes, they are not "me", as I'm a European American, but that difference doesn't mean I cannot respect the nationalism of others so long as they respect mine as well.
ReplyDeleteOne of my great worries is that the drive to "westernization" in China will overwhelm and destroy the unique culture and traditions that ARE China. If that happens, all of mankind loses, not just the Chinese.
I've seen the "greed gene" expressed in Chinese, and it takes on the characteristics of the Tribe more and more ... "upper class" Chinese are quite willing to sell out their countrymen for more shekels or $$. This must be stopped!
The dangerous thing for Chinese is that they have never before, until now, really needed a group-wide racial consciousness to protect themselves, due to their isolation. Modern travel and communications has changed all that. In a way, they've never developed the natural self-defenses that come with being in a near-constant state of warfare against culturally alien invaders, and may not be handling the TV-induced cultural invasion which is probably distorting their culture.
That said, the Chinese deserve to live as well as anyone else does. Why live in 300 year old houses without plumbing? Why not live in houses with all possible modern conveniences! But for God's sake, don't pollute Chinese architecture with 2nd-rate imitations of "European" architecture! Your traditional architecture is fantastic: Keep it, but modernize it! And above all, don't let your sons and daughters miscengenate! I've been in many a Beijing city park where dances take place in the evening, and seen signs telling "lao wai" to not enter. Smart! Too many foreigners of any race are there to enjoy "yellow fever", but can never truly be Chinese, so why interbreed? We in the White West have learned the HARD WAY that this is the road to destruction. Don't make our mistakes!
"I've spent many years in the Middle Kingdom, and have a high respect for Chinese people and culture."
ReplyDeleteAnd on that note, blacks and the white elites that run the US do not (though they claim they do). Asians are often singled out by blacks for crime and assault. Asians in the US had all better know this. The Koreans in LA did and it is a good thing they did too. If you are asian and want to be in the US, I would be as prepared as possible. And think it over carefully, very carefully. This goes for whites as well, obviously. But we don''t have a land to head back to. Nasty times are coming, I can feel it.
Then "all of the sudden whites have some sort of claim to this country forever and to block everyone else from coming" ?
ReplyDeleteYes.
It's not "some sort of claim", it is a real claim.
The Indians tried to stop it and were overcome. Others who want to come have no automatic right to do so unless it's deemed in our interest.
It's a matter of who is going to be in charge here and hold the upper hand.
Whites are being asked to give it all up on the basis of a cheap church sermon. And they seem to be doing it.
ReplyDeleteI've seen the "greed gene" expressed in Chinese, and it takes on the characteristics of the Tribe more and more ... "upper class" Chinese are quite willing to sell out their countrymen for more shekels or $$. This must be stopped!
This is a serious phenomenon. Among wealthy Chinese (and the expats who have already left), the attitude seems to be to make as much money as possible, any way, and get the hell out of there in the next 10 years before the whole country explodes. Check out how they are filling up Vancouver:
http://dominionofcanada.wordpress.com/2011/04/16/colonisation/
A video including an oriental participant.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY0cwk88BVQ
Robert in Arabia
Green Tea, your question has been dealt with here many times already. Do your homework before you try to set yourself up as some sort of Devil's Advocate of this blog, a position that requires a thorough gasp of the subject matter.
ReplyDelete(And no disrespect intended to anyone who lost family or friends that day.)
ReplyDeleteI feel pretty much the same way: sincere condolences to those who suffered a loss on that day.
Other than that, I have no strong feelings about it.
And I will be honest and admit that, while I've never thought about whether I'm a 'truther' or not, when I watch video of the collapse of WTC-7...well, I know what it looks like.
"Evidence of Insider Trading before September 11th Re-examined"
ReplyDeletePaul Zarembka
Department of Economics
State University of New York at Buffalo
http://ithp.org/articles/septemberinsidertrading.html
Check out how they are filling up Vancouver:...
ReplyDeleteYes, Vancouver -- aka 'Hongcouver'.
Top of Chinese wealthy's wish list? To leave China - For China's richest, after the money and fancy homes it is time for a foreign passport
"At the time, America is enhabited by Indians who presumably have been here as long as Europeans in Europe."
ReplyDeleteThere is a difference between a couple of savages and a civilization that created science technology philosophy and art.
You do not get that difference, this shows clearly you are not white and/or not male.
The conceptual advancement of the humanity due to its brain is one of those things that is useless to argue with a non white for.
By the way, if this could be interesting, we Europeans feel the exact same way towards our governemnts. Except of course the classic trail of envious leftists feminists affirmative action grabbers parasites and so.
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ReplyDeleteNorway local elections: 'Breivik party' suffers
The anti-immigrant Progress Party once favoured by right-wing extremist Anders Behring Breivik has lost a third of its vote in local elections in Norway...
Mainstream politicians had urged voters to show their contempt for the far-right at the polls, held over two days, Sunday and Monday.
I mean, they pretty much do that normally anyway, right?
"...not to mention killing a good number of young American men. (And tens of thousands of Iraqis.)"
ReplyDeleteYou mentioned in a previous post that most of the Iraqis were killed by their fellow countrymen. But it was the overthrow of the previous regime by America that allowed this to happen. Perhaps the Saddam regime, brutal as it was, was the the only one that could keep this country's mutually hostile races, clans and sects from killing each other.
Far from "spreading democracy" in the region, perhaps America should be studying the situation to see the kind of future it's creating for itself at home.
All this just for a flag
ReplyDeleteWatch Michelle's lips.
I no longer call myself an American. I call myself an European stuck in a country called America. I reject the Judeo-Masonic construct called America, a product of The Enlightenment which in reality was an Atheist/Protestant cultural revolution. (Protestants being judaized christians, a heresy) The whole Enlightenment was an attack upon European culture and institutions.
ReplyDeleteI'm a Monarchist. Returning to the Old Order. The Novus Ordo being a Judeo-Masonic construct.
America is over. It's done. It's finished, caput. It is a disgusting Third World hellhole. Just look at all the freakshows that inhabit current college campuses. And they encourage the freakdom. It's all collapsing.
I'm not sure if space aliens with more advanced science, technology, philosophy and art would be "justified" in taking over earth for the conceptual advancement of earthlings or something. Most earthlings wouldn't see it that way. It would just be something that happens.
ReplyDelete"I'm not sure if space aliens with more advanced science, technology, philosophy and art would be "justified" in taking over earth for the conceptual advancement of earthlings or something. Most earthlings wouldn't see it that way. It would just be something that happens."
ReplyDeleteDepending on the exact nature of those space aliens, there is at least a small chance I might support their efforts. Same goes for any A.I. / Cylons that come along.
I wonder if the country was ever loyal to anyone. My guess is "no." Even when the country was far more monocultural, the middle and lower classes probably got screwed over by the upper classes analogously to how non-elite whites get screwed today. I'm just speculating here.
ReplyDeleteBut consider for example black slavery. Probably that worked to the great benefit of elites (plantation owners) and to the detriment of working class whites.
Also for your typical Southern Boy who was conscripted into the Confederate Army, it seems to me he was defending a system which did not particularly serve him. Probably it was the same for sons of the North too. Why should they care whether or not the South seceded?
"Also for your typical Southern Boy who was conscripted into the Confederate Army, it seems to me he was defending a system which did not particularly serve him"
ReplyDeleteHe wasn't defending a system (slavery) but rather the right of his state/new country to secede from the Union. Even more to the point, he was defending his home from the invaders from the North.
Slavery would have ended in the South at some point even if the CSA had won the war.
Freaks like WLW are why traditionalist Catholicism gets nowhere. His type are our version of costume wearing Nazis that plague serious pro-white interests.
ReplyDeleteThere really can be only two outcomes: 1) all of the country, slowly but surely, down the drain or 2) separation of the country into ethnic-dominated parts, Yugoslavia style, with "whitopia" to the North. Now, Yugoslavia paid terrible price for the separation. Must we pay it too and is it worth the countless lives? Was unity of the country worth 2% of its population in 1861?
ReplyDeleteGreen Tea: You're time line is off by approximately four centuries. And conquest is a reality of human history: get over it. The aboriginal Americans had no notion of land titles and, for the most part, no human capital to build civilizations. They simply established ranges like lion prides do. When a tribe's range needed to be expanded, it was wherever possible and often by extremely brutal means.
ReplyDeleteThe conquest of America by Anglo-Europeans does not obligate them to cede their patrimony to others. We have the same right as anybody to defend the fruits of conquest bequeathed to us.
I've seen the "greed gene" expressed in Chinese, and it takes on the characteristics of the Tribe more and more ... "upper class" Chinese are quite willing to sell out their countrymen for more shekels or $$.
ReplyDeleteThis was true during the late Imperial era as well. The Chinese mercantile elites often didn't mind if their country was divided into foreign spheres of influence because it meant increased trading opportunities for them.