Friday, March 4, 2011

Are Whites Racially Oppressed?

A long, surprisingly fair article from CNN asks whether whites are racially oppressed. Some excerpts with my comments:
But not everyone buys that script. Mona Charen, a conservative columnist for the National Review, challenges that view with this question: If more white Americans feel like an embattled minority, why did they elect President Barack Obama?

"Did they become racist after electing the first black president?" she asks.

Charen says the United States today is "incredibly tolerant and open."

Sure, she says, there are individuals who nurture racial animosity, but most Americans deserve praise for looking past race.
Mona, you ignorant neocon slut. She's all worried that any sign of racial consciousness on the part of whites is automatic evidence of being racist. She says that "most Americans deserve praise for looking past race", which means that whites must continue to overlook their dispossession. Next up, Tim Wise:
Many white Americans have lived under the assumption that if they worked hard, they would be rewarded. Now more white Americans are sharing unemployment lines with "those people" -- black and brown, Wise says.

"For the first time since the Great Depression, white Americans have been confronted with a level of economic insecurity that we're not used to," he says. "It's not so new for black and brown folks, but for white folks, this is something we haven't seen since the Depression."
The best response to Tim Wise is to quote him:
And in the pantheon of American history, old white people have pretty much always been the bad guys, the keepers of the hegemonic and reactionary flame, the folks unwilling to share the category of American with others on equal terms. [...]

So to hell with you and all who revere you.

By then, half the country will be black or brown. And there is nothing you can do about it. [...]

Do you hear it?

The sound of your empire dying? Your nation, as you knew it, ending, permanently?

Because I do, and the sound of its demise is beautiful.
Tim Wise hates white people, enough said.
James Edwards, host of the "Political Cesspool" radio show, isn't shy about naming those interests. He says white Americans have become the "dispossessed majority" and that coming demographic changes may turn the United States into a "Third-World flop-house."

Edwards, who is considered a white nationalist by the [$PLC], says whites must organize like other stigmatized groups.

"There is nothing wrong for Jewish organizations to promote the self-interest of Jews or black organizations to promote the interest of blacks," he says. "There is no organization to stand up to advance the interests of the dispossessed majority."

Those white interests have been compromised by what he sees as the "preferential treatment" blacks have received in the job market to compensate for slavery, Edwards says.

"Whatever mistakes might have been made in our pasts, they have not only been corrected, but they've been overcompensated for," he says.

Now whites are victims of pervasive racism, Edwards says.

"They're the victims of it every day. Anything a white conservative does that a liberal doesn't like is called racism."

Both Brimelow and Edwards reject outright the [$PLC]'s description of their organizations as extremist.

231 comments:

  1. It's sheer lunacy to expect from the likes of CNN even a modicum of truth regarding the documented, proven oppression of whites.

    So stop expecting it.
    PC Liberal propaganda machines like CNN must be eradicated.
    NOT understood.

    The Soviet Union and Pravda were never taken to be "understood" by American warriors: the evil empire was to be destroyed.

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  2. Tim Wise is sometimes referred to as the "Uncle Tim". He is the "Uncle Tim"-est of them all. Mona Charen is also an "Uncle Tim" as well.

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  3. "most Americans deserve praise for looking past race"

    You'd have to be a fucking idiot to 'look past race', e.g. if you want to avoid being the victim of a crime: black males are about 5% of the population, but commit over half of all murders, as well as a hugely disproportionate share of other violent crime.

    In fact, I'll again post a more or less rhetorical question I have asked before: Given the enormous cost to society of black criminality (policing, court proceedings, prisons, parole), not to mention low academic achievement, to the point that a few years ago I remember hearing there were more black men in jail than in college, what exactly is the net economic contribution of Blacks to America? And how does that stack up against other ethnicities?

    Everyone should be treated equally before the law. But 'looking past race' is ridiculous. And by the way, no one does it, despite the lies they may tell poll takers.

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  4. A chain email from tea party chain email:


    --------Forwarded Message--------

    From a chain email:

    Russell K. Nieli recently brought to light a new study by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and his colleague Alexandria Radford that shows that lower-income European Americans (poor whites) are the most discriminated against group of people in college admissions.

    Nieli writes: "When lower-class whites are matched with lower-class blacks and other non-whites the degree of the non-white advantage becomes astronomical: lower-class Asian applicants are seven times as likely to be accepted to the competitive private institutions as similarly qualified whites, lower-class Hispanic applicants eight times as likely, and lower-class blacks ten times as likely. These are enormous differences and reflect the fact that lower-class whites were rarely accepted to the private institutions Espenshade and Radford surveyed."

    Get that? Not African Americans, not Mestizo Americans --- but European Americans are the most discriminated against group in college admissions.

    This widespread discrimination against European Americans should be unsurprising. And immigration is making it worse, as more non-whites immigrate here their "disparate impact" status makes them prime affirmative action candidates.

    All other racial groups have powers lobbying on their behalf. Blacks have the NAACP, mestizos have La Raza, Asians have the 80-20 Initiative, Indians have USINPAC, etc. What do European Americans have?

    When other groups lobby on behalf of their ethnic interests and whites do nothing, whites are bound to receive the short end of the stick. And all the while this is taking place, many whites pursue the “ostrich strategy”. They stick their heads in the sand and wish it were otherwise.

    Time to take your heads out of the sand, white people.

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  5. While I disagree with the contemptuous treatment of Mona Charen, who is a superior political analyst, I do agree with the paranoia of Mangan's legions because they are basically correct about the suppression of whites.

    Somewhere on Mangan or vdare I read of black employment overrepresentation in the US government. The percentages were totally abnormal. Our own government methodically favors blacks in employment just as they are commonly favored by most major corporations. Systematic bias now operates in every college admissions office. Unless a white has an IQ of 150 and walks on water, they can lose out to racial preference strategies almost everywhere.

    Now I read about "Open Borders Jeb" Bush joining Obama's Race to the Top coalition. Jeb Bush is married to a Hispanic and pushes his brother's NCLB as well as charter schools. Many millions of Gates' money as well as Obama's 4.3 billion will be wasted on a scheme to make teachers the perpetual servents of ghetto trash with 85 IQ's. Square pegs will fit into round holes as "failure" disappears as a part of our educational vocabulary. Whites? They get the other end of the stick but really they will simply be ignored as blacks and Hispanics are pampered to death. Get ready for a period of Obamaniac educational chicanery beyond your wildest dreams. Whites are clearly second class citizens in this NAMS-driven culture of decay.

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  6. Dr. Troost: Saturday Night Live once parodied the old "60 Minutes" debate between James Kilpatrick (I think that was his name) and Jane Something-or-other. The actor playing Kilpatrick rebutted his counterpart, starting with, "Jane, you ignorant slut." That's what my line alludes to.

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  7. "I do agree with the paranoia of Mangan's legions because they are basically correct about the suppression of whites."

    If we're correct, how is it paranoia?

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  8. Sgt. Joe FridayMar 4, 2011 02:37 PM

    Cornelius Troost - Jeb Bush is not married to just any Hispanic. His wife is a Mexican national whose family once resided in southern California for a pediod, apparently illegally. The whole rotten Bush family has a blind spot for Mexicans you could drive a truck through.

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  9. While the reference to Mona Charen being an ignorant neocon slut was indeed taken from the SNL skit (and as soon as I read thought, I thought, "Guaranteed, somebody is not going to get the joke"), Mona Charen is nevertheless indeed an ignorant neocon slut.

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  10. Using language like "ignorant neocon slut" reduces you to a level equal to the gutter.Mona Charen is a fairly popular conservative writer who enhances American discourse with more style and grace than narcissists like Ann Coulter. It is unfortunate that the conservative realm contains some really base types incapable of the civility necssary for worthwhile discourse. While Iam offended by such people, I understand that the Internet embraces a whole human fauna with its good, bad, and ugly sides. It is no wonder so many hide behind the mask of anonymity. The jungle is real.

    Paranoia is consistent with suppression because in some cases institutions can indulge in rampant "diversity" while attaining high quality. When I had cancer surgery the physicians and nurses were mostly alien but highly competent. I was deeply disappointed to see my WASP, Cornell-educated surgeon appear in a tuxedo at 7am before the surgery. I was absolutely befuddled until I realized that a sleazy-looking Hispanic doctor was introduced as the "assistant." His gratuitous smile told me that the real surgeon was not the Master in the tux. The Master simply oversaw the procedure.

    My point is that whites can be replaced by institutions that are willing to cast a wide net. Generally they still worry about merit because of lawsuits in medicine, for example, but whites cannot often "prove" bias if the quality is still there. Paranoia is justified in most cases but hardly all. When whites are not clearly superior, they will usually lose out. Suppression is real but not always easy to prove because, as in my surgery, the NAMS were competent enough and the boss was a liberal white WASP. That perhaps the assistant did the actual sugery bothers me because I bought a different package. Lying to patients about who does what is not good ethics.

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  11. Would I be correct in assuming that Mona Charen and Tim Wise have Jewish ancestry? It always seems to be the case that it is the Jews - more than any other group - who try to suppress racial consciousness amongst white gentiles.

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  12. If more white Americans feel like an embattled minority, why did they elect President Barack Obama? (...)
    Sure, she says, there are individuals who nurture racial animosity, but most Americans deserve praise for looking past race.


    The person who wrote such words is indeed an ignorant neocon slut.

    Ignorant, because only about 46% of the white Americans who went to vote chose B. H. Obama.

    Neocon, because in the spirit of her globalist "invade the world invite the world" creed, she presents the dispossession of the white Americans as something to be applauded and praised ("most Americans deserve praise...").

    And a slut because she's an American citizen (and enjoys all the benefits of this situation), but at the same time an Israel-firster, who will never praise the ethno-state Israel for "looking past race". This is like a woman married to a man, who enjoys all the benefits of a marriage, but at the same time she offers her loyalty to another man. Ergo: slut.

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  13. Slut---sounds about right.

    Yes, she's a "fairly popular conservative," that's the sad part.
    On the important issues she's always wrong. Ever read her views on immigration? Small sample:
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/05/21/getting_lectured_on_human_rights_by_mexico_105673.html

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  14. She's against the maintenance of demographic hegemony by me and mine. That makes her my enemy. Accordingly I don't care terribly much what anyone calls her or does to her. Here's my growl to the Chamber of Commerce or Libertarian type conservatives out there---my natural inclination would be to support you in some of your battles, but if you continue to work against me on the existential demographic hegemony one, I'll override that inclination and start deliberately undermining you, even when my non-existential interests are in line with yours. You can call this irrational if you like, but I call it a commitment strategy.

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  15. Tim Wise is sometimes referred to as the "Uncle Tim". He is the "Uncle Tim"-est of them all. Mona Charen is also an "Uncle Tim" as well.

    He it is impossible for Tim to be an "Uncle Tim" since Tim is a jew. Time is an advocate for his race and therefore the opposite of an "Uncle" as far as I'm concerned.

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  16. "..Mona,you ignorant neocon slut.." I have nothing to add,other than this comment says everything worth saying.

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  17. There's a certain level of desperation in arguments like Charen's. She and many others desperately want to believe that Americans are "looking beyond race." The alternative is to face up the unpleasant reality that aside from Whites, just every other racial group is racially conscious, and is organized along racial lines. The best that conservatives can do is invoke MLK (out of context) and hope that they can convince everyone else that they ought to be judged by the "content of their character."

    I suppose in retrospect, we can see the civil rights movement as a struggle for political power, not equality. And why not? Nobody struggles with the intent of sharing power. They want the whole nine yards.

    Time for people to wake up and smell the coffee...

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  18. Troost:

    "Using language like "ignorant neocon slut" reduces you to a level equal to the gutter."

    There are things in this world not worthy respect, nor the cloak, or dirty raincoat as it were, of euphemism. Such as a ring of well-to-do pedophiles. Such as the anti-White genocidalist dispensation which according to its internal logic must strive for zero percent Whites. These things do not generally even rise to the level of the "gutter," although may occationally bubble up from the sewer.

    "Mona Charen is a fairly popular conservative writer who enhances American discourse"

    You must mean she fulfills her role as Potemkinesque propagandress with some minimal standard of competency as suits your perversly inverted standards of "gutter"-avoidance.

    Can a man be a good man who praises those that call fair what is foul? Never.

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  19. If Mexico and Mexicans are so great, then Jeb Bush needs to take his mestizo wife and mestizo family and move there permanently. Let the Bush Cartel run Mexico.

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  20. It’s odd that this article didn’t mention the recent study by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and his colleague Alexandria Radford that indicates that lower-income European Americans (i.e. poor white people) are the most discriminated against group of people in college admissions. Russell K. Nieli writes of the study:

    "When lower-class whites are matched with lower-class blacks and other non-whites the degree of the non-white advantage becomes astronomical: lower-class Asian applicants are seven times as likely to be accepted to the competitive private institutions as similarly qualified whites, lower-class Hispanic applicants eight times as likely, and lower-class blacks ten times as likely. These are enormous differences and reflect the fact that lower-class whites were rarely accepted to the private institutions Espenshade and Radford surveyed. Their diversity-enhancement value was obviously rated very low."

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  21. "Tim Wise hates white people, enough said."

    DanielJ touched on this, but I think it's worth elaborating with a link and quote.

    The original article, http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2003-01/20wise.cfm, is gone, but Crimes of Zion: M.L.K and Zionism quotes Wise revealing his identity and chauvinist concerns:

    "Because of my criticisms of Israel--and because I as a Jew am on record opposing Zionism philosophically--the Des Moines shtetl decided I was unfit to speak at an MLK event. After sending the supposed King quote around, and threatening to pull out all monies from the Jewish community for future NCCJ events, I was dropped. The attack of course was based on a distortion of my own beliefs as well. Federation principal Mark Finkelstein claimed I had shown a disregard for the well-being of Jews, despite the fact that my argument has long been that Zionism in practice has made world Jewry less safe than ever."

    Tim Wise hates Whites, but identifies with and loves jews.

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  22. In a blog post following his infamous "tic toc" rant of last November, Wise mentioned that he is only 1/4 Jewish on his father's side. Even his father isn't halachically Jewish. Yet he's described himself in essays as a "dissident Jew". Wouldn't actual Jews regard him as a bit of a poseur? Wise claims to have suffered abuse from Christian students in school. How much shit could he have gotten for being all of a quarter Jewish?

    A lot of his claims about himself, such as having grown up poor in one of the richest parts of Nashville, don't add up. Someone must know the real dirt on him. I'm sure it would be quite entertaining.

    Also, he claims to have gotten a 1020 on his SAT. Wouldn't that put his IQ at around 108 or so? Maybe he's bitter for missing out on those Ashkenazi smart genes.

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  23. Half Sigma addressed the Tim Wise issue some time ago: http://www.halfsigma.com/2010/11/the-tim-wise-rant.html

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  24. I caught the Saturday Night Live reference but seeing as it dates back to 1978, it's rather obscure at this point.

    "Tim Wise hates Whites, but identifies with and loves jews."

    If he loves Jews, he sure has an odd way of showing it. Anyway, would it change your mind if I found a quote where he refers to himself as White?

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  25. If he loves Jews, he sure has an odd way of showing it. Anyway, would it change your mind if I found a quote where he refers to himself as White?

    Change our minds about what? The fact that Tim Wise is outspoken in his support of the displacement and disempowerment of Gentile whites in America? Tim Wise was raised as a Jew. The fact that "he refers to himself as White" is just more of the familiar having-it-both-ways tactic employed by all too many Jews. Would you be defending him if he weren't Jewish, Sabril?

    And yes, Corny, Mona Charen is, politically and intellectually, a slut. So what if she's popular? Sluts often are.

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  26. Mona Charen and white apologists like her are greater impediments to rebalancing political power and restoring meritocracy than $PLC, La Raza, and all the rest of the racial/ethnic mafia.

    Her viewpoint boils down to, "See, white people aren't all racists." By denying that white = racist, she manages to imply it at the same time. "But Brutus says Caesar was ambitious, and Brutus is an honourable man."

    Cornelius Troost, I respectfully disagree with you that "Mona Charen is a fairly popular conservative writer who enhances American discourse with more style and grace than narcissists like Ann Coulter."

    Aside from Charen's "with friends like these ... " pronouncements on race, she is also a hack without a trace of "style and grace." Her writing is a bore. She is a quisling who satisfies the mainstream media's need for a tame "conservative." Ann Coulter is not a deep thinker, but she has genuine wit and isn't afraid to overstep the boundaries our opponents have drawn.

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  27. Anyway, would it change your mind if I found a quote where he refers to himself as White?

    Not at all. Because we have enough quotes where he identifies himself as a Jew and, according to Israel's standards and conditions, he meets all the criteria to qualify himself as a Jewish citizen.

    For example, let's suppose I am an ethnic Dutch. I live in UK. I criticize some things related to being Dutch, but my main target is British nationalism and I can't stand the Brits for being what they are. Does it make me a Brit because I dislike some things related to my Dutch ethnic background and nationality? Nope.

    I don't see why Jews would be different from the rest of mankind. We belong essentially to the culture we've been born into, not mentioning our genetical inclinations.

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  28. Well Dr. Troost it is not often I agree with you, but you are right to call Dennis out on his language concerning Mona Charen. But, even more interesting (and I hope you take note) is the full throated defense of the comments made by Dennis by his "amen choir" in this forum.

    As for the subject of whites being discriminated against I think there is ample evidence to justify this concern. (and by the way I am a black man who loves his country and is a retired air force colonel)
    But, I think the racism whites suffer is in large part due to class and social status. But, as the country becomes more diverse I do think whites run the risk of overt discrimination.

    My only point is that some clarification is required on this issue. For instance, mostly all of the institutions of power, wealth, and influence are held by whites. We have only had 1 president who wasn't white. All the founders of the country were white. Most generals in the military are white. most govenors are white. Most fortune 500 CEOs are white. Most owners of sports franchises are white. Most movie stars are white. Get the point? This list could go on and on and on.

    So, while I will agree that low status whites are surely discriminated against most symbols of power, wealth, and culture in this country are held by whites. And I don't really see that changing anytime soon.

    What we all need to do is ensure that the white race be protected from unfair job, health, housing, and education discrimination. Affirmative Action anyone?

    b.

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  29. It's always been starkly apparent from a ground level perspective that all these social engineering initiatives have been at the expense of the regular, average working class white person, both blue and white collar. They don't have the luxury of liking minorities from a safe distance as the more well to do whites do. Mediocre blacks and browns leapfrog over them for job and school openings. Their home values plummet and local schools become no-go zones as the government ushers in the non-paying, section eight lumpen minorities. It's not the children of the Clinton, Bush or Obama families that are getting killed and crippled in our current wars, fostered by elitists, but the kids of the average families. The steady, stable but unexciting white bedrock of this country is being chipped away at by elitists either out of ideologically induced blindness or sheer maliciousness. This bedrock is what we've all stood on and what's enabled the US to advance as it has; take it away and everything else folds up. You can't have much of a country based on a mass mob of incompetent black-brown riffraff augmented by coffee shop white hipsters.

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  30. "Yet he's described himself in essays as a 'dissident Jew'."

    Well probably he thinks it makes him more credible when he criticizes Israel, which is a very popular thing to do among committed Leftists.

    Apparently he's not even married to a Jew, which means that his children will be 1/8 Jewish.

    If the only evidence that he is pro-Jewish is his self-serving claim that he opposes Israel for the good of the Jews, then we are looking at a rather slender reed indeed.

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  31. The four doormen of the apocalypseMar 5, 2011 07:48 AM

    I read The Revolution from Rosinante a long time ago. It was a part of a trilogy.

    It had many of the tropes I now recognise:

    1. The North American Union,

    2. Evil white males with a military background (some secret security program from a now out-of-power right-wing administration) who are also some sort of creationists,

    3. and, it contained this phrase "This killing of Hispanic politicians has got to stop" (the story line is that the evil white dudes got hold of a cruise missile and aimed it at the Hispanic politician's office).

    4. Some brave scientists had been experimenting with human-chimp chimeras and a little girl was the result. She was mostly human with a few Pan trog genes, but the evil, inflexible, bible-clinging creationist killed her because she was an abomination (the word miscegenation did not come up, but the concept was a proxy).

    The books were reasonably well written, though.

    It is clear that pretty much all of the media has been infected with this sort of propaganda ... and now we see those crazy-ass billboards Silicon Valley pandering to Hispanics ...

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  32. "Change our minds about what? "

    The claim that Tim Wise identifies with and loves Jews.

    "Tim Wise was raised as a Jew."

    I'm very skeptical of this. Please show me evidence that he was Bar Mitzvahed; went to Hebrew school; or anything like that.

    "Would you be defending him if he weren't Jewish, Sabril?"

    Who says I'm defending him? I think he's a schmuck.

    "Does it make me a Brit because I dislike some things related to my Dutch ethnic background and nationality? "

    Well if you were 3/4 Brit and regularly referred to yourself as Brit, I would say yes. Certainly as strong an argument can be made that you are British as that you are Dutch.

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  33. It's not necessary to get down in the trenches with the use of words like "slut," but Charen has never been anything more than a neocon protector of her beloved land of Israel. More than anything else, this is who she is. To claim that she has better manners than that creature Coulter simply puts her in a category with many other good-mannered types, who ply their Zionist trade.

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  34. I like the comment from Rush Limbaugh, that we're afraid of the dogs and the fire hoses.

    Wrong Rushy, we're afraid of being raped in prison

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  35. I suppose in retrospect, we can see the civil rights movement as a struggle for political power, not equality.

    Of course, this is what it was about. See:
    It's about power

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  36. The four doormen of the apocalypseMar 5, 2011 09:22 AM


    Of course, this is what it was about. See:
    It's about power


    Of course, but who is in control? I don't think it is who the author of that blog post claims it is.

    Also, her posting can be seen as another knife in the back aimed at dispiriting whites even further:

    "Look you stupid whites, you allows a smaller bunch of blacks to take it all away from you."

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  37. I've never read anything by Mona Charen but the few snippets above tell me everything I need to know. I've gotten to the point in my political thinking that anybody to the left of Pat Buchannan is highly suspect until proven otherwise.

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  38. The idea behind Wise's "white like me" schtick, which he spelled out in the follow-up to his tick tock rant, Reading Comprehension 101: Text, Subtext and the Politics of Misinterpretation, is that because he's "white" it's OK for him to express genocidal disdain for "whites":

    "To wit, after my latest piece on the election results went viral, there have been more than a few folks who have written to say how appalled they were by my “attack on white people,” or my “attack on America,” or my “hateful diatribe” in which I “gleefully anticipate the death of the elderly” and the “initiation of violent payback of whites writ large by people of color” once whites become a less prominent portion of the national population, a few decades hence. In other words, putting aside the inherent absurdity of this interpretation — I am white after all, as are my kids, as is my wife, as is my momma, all my immediate family and my best friend too — some who read the piece believe against all logic and in the face of plain English (however aggressive the piece may be), that I have announced, excitedly, the coming of a glorious race war and the end of white people."

    If jews have a problem with Wise's anti-zionist pose as a jew, that's their business. His anti-White pose as "white", celebrating our political and demographic eclipse, is our problem.

    Wise's dissembling and dissimulating about his identity is notable because it is so typical of diaspora jews, who arrogate for themselves a special identity and status as jews, but also lay claim to "whiteness" so as to gain leverage in preaching and moralizing to Whites about how evil we are for not quickly or thoroughly enough subordinating our own interests to those of "minorities" - jews being the first and foremost "minority".

    This duplicity, this identity jujitsu, is an essential ingredient of the culture of critique. It is both aggressive and mendacious. Wise is a fully conscious participant, a professional anti-White warrior who earns his living guilt-tripping deracinated Whites about being White. As he says in his tick tock rant:

    "You have won a small battle in a larger war the meaning of which you do not remotely understand."

    Some of us are paying attention to Wise's White/jew double standards. We are aware of the wider anti-White/pro-jew regime which so clearly distinguishes jews from Whites. We understand that jews have played a pivotal role in the demonization, displacement, and dispossession of Whites. Tim Wise is the tiniest little flake on the tip of a centuries-old iceberg of jewish anti-White aggression.

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  39. "Wise's dissembling and dissimulating about his identity is notable because it is so typical of diaspora jews"

    Let's see if I have this straight:

    If Tim Wise claims to be White, he's just playing games.

    But if he claims to be Jewish, we should accept him at his word.

    Does that pretty much sum it up?

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  40. "Cornelius Troost said...

    Using language like "ignorant neocon slut" reduces you to a level equal to the gutter.Mona Charen is a fairly popular conservative writer who enhances American discourse with more style and grace than narcissists like Ann Coulter."

    Mr. Troost, while your chivalry in defence of Ms. Charen is admirable, you do Dennis a disservice. The reference is to an old Saturday Night Live bit: it was a satire of "Point Counterpoint" on 60 minutes - a brief "debate" between James Kilpatrick and Shana Alexander.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7S_XWuKpHc

    Among people of a certain generation, later than yours, it is an instantly recognizable reference.

    I disagree with you about Ann Coulter. She, unlike Ms. Charen, actually says things which discomfit liberals, and says them quite often. She gives indications that she has, intellectually, strayed from the neo-con camp, and might even symphathise with the kinds of opinions voiced here. Anyone who could get themselves banned from National Review can't be all bad. She's still firmly in with the "Invade the World" camp - which is why I think she's still welcome on FOX.

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  41. For those without a clue, the 'ignorant slut' comment is a pop culture reference to classic SNL: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jane%2C+you+ignorant+slut!


    Sabril:Please show me evidence that he was Bar Mitzvahed; went to Hebrew school; or anything like that.


    http://www.timwise.org/2002/05/anti-semitism-real-and-imagined-judaism-zionism-and-the-struggle-for-palestine/

    "this is an idea that both weakens the struggle against the occupation, by making all criticisms of it suspected of anti-Jewish bias, and puts the Jewish community at greater risk, as they (we) become increasingly seen as Israel Firsters, instead of people committed to principles of peace, justice, and fairness: those concepts that I learned in Hebrew School were paramount to my people."

    Wise was raised Jewish. He talks about it at length in many places. Wise's hypocracy, which you apparently miss, is that his bone to pick with Zionists, is that they are going to get white Jews caught up in this hateful, genocidal blacklash against whites that he is so gleefully cheering on.

    Ethnic Nationalism is morally wrong or it is not. In Tim Wise's case Jewish Nationalism, as it has been specifically pursued and implimented in the form of Zionism is dangerous for his people. It's not of itself immoral or wrong. It's only something that isn't good for the Jews.

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  42. "Tim Wise is the tiniest little flake on the tip of a centuries-old iceberg of jewish anti-White aggression."

    Sheesh, he thinks that Israel should be boycotted, divested, and otherwise prodded into giving up its identity as a Jewish state.

    He also married a Gentile, as far as I can tell, which means that his children will be 1/8 Jewish. Non-Jewish even by Hitler's definition.

    With Jews like Tim Wise, who needs anti-Semites?

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  43. Jeb Bush is an idiot.

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  44. "I disagree with you about Ann Coulter. She, unlike Ms. Charen, actually says things which discomfit liberals, and says them quite often. She gives indications that she has, intellectually, strayed from the neo-con camp, and might even symphathise with the kinds of opinions voiced here. Anyone who could get themselves banned from National Review can't be all bad."

    Ann wants to remain mainstream so she doesn't go too far. For instance, she said very little to criticize Zionist foreign policy. But you can tell that she has read (and probably sympathizes with) pro-white views. For example, she has written some pretty serious op-eds on demographics (and what the future will hold for whites) and immigration. Also, in one of her books, she has numerous footnotes to Sam Francis and Peter Brimelow.

    Coulter is infinitely better than the pro-miscegenation (at least for goy) neocon Mona Charen

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  45. From article: "More colleges are offering courses in “Whiteness Studies” as white Americans cope with becoming what one commentator calls a “dispossessed majority group.”"

    An example of “Whiteness Studies”:

    Mon. 22 Sept. White Privilege Readings:
    Bennett, “Tea and Sympathy: Liberals and Other White Hopes”
    Ignatiev, “The Point is Not to Interpret Whiteness but to Abolish It”

    http://www.pauahtun.org/6624-7624.F03.html



    "Whiteness Studies" are anything but pro-white. Besides, if one wants to learn about white culture and contributions, read Aristotle, Beowulf, the Eddas, Shakespeare, Newton, Darwin, etc.

    "Whiteness Studies" are a scam.

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  46. " .. those concepts that I learned in Hebrew School were paramount to my people."

    You're wasting your time with sabril. If you debunk one of her contentions she simply moves on to a new one as if nothing had happened.

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  47. K(yle), ok I will concede that more likely than not he was raised Jewish.

    "Wise's hypocracy, which you apparently miss, is that his bone to pick with Zionists, is that they are going to get white Jews caught up in this hateful, genocidal blacklash against whites"

    This I disagree with. "Anti-Zionism is good for the Jews" sounds more like a rationalization for his Leftism than an actual belief.

    Here's something he said in another article:

    "it is precisely the existence of racism, racial bias, and white racial ambivalence towards people of color and their plight, which has contributed to the current malady those white men find themselves confronting"

    "it is only when a man is able, without bitterness or self-pity, to surrender a dream he has long cherished or a privilege he has long possessed that he is set free–he has set himself free–for higher dreams, for greater privilege"

    In other words, he is arguing that pro-white racism is actually bad for white men. Which is just as ridiculous as being anti-Zionist because it's good for the Jews.

    Is Tim Wise a secret White Nationalist who wants to end racism because it will help whites?

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  48. You are all right in seeing me as a relic of ancient times. I stopped watching Sat Night Live some years ago just as I stopped going to movies and plays as dysfunction became the overwhelming theme of most productions. Still, I selectively attend when I smell something good like The Pianist,etc. Color me an elitist.

    No matter what the source it is heavy-handed to call a successful journalist like Charen a "slut." There is no obfuscation that will ameliorate that lowly language. Of course, several generations of Americans have been brainwashed by the media into coarse, brainless, and ugly common expression. Even polite TV shows about politics erupt with foul language. Iam admitting to my oddball status amidst this menagerie of garbage-mouthed free expression.I take it as sympomatic of our cultural coasening as civility erodes under the forces of liberalism.

    I returned to my copy of Useful Idiots because of the vitriol and still cannot find grounds for completely dismissing Charen. Her indictment of liberalism on the issue of comnmunism is strong and accurate. She defends much of conservative values very ably. I do not call her an exceptional writer nor do I think she is one of our best voices. She very ably serves our mission but does not satisfy our criteria for perfection. So be it.I love Pat Buchanan but deplore his anti-Darwinism.Larry Auster sparkles at times but has a lunatic side as well.

    I have no interest in Tim Wise but several writers continue to confuse Jews as anti-white, an assignation I reject. Simple anthropology informs us of Jewish origins in the Middle-East. They are as white as any other caucasions. That many are revolutionaries of a liberal bent is part of a long history. Indeed, they look like enemies of non-Jewish whites because radical ideas in the liberal spectrum do have potentially terrible consequences for us. Jews, however, operate effectively on both sides of the divide. We have wonderful Jewish conservatives who are powerful defenders of our values. Doing so much micro-analysis of Wise is a bit over the top. Whatever we discuss, we demonstrate the best in conservatism(and ourselves) if we keep our language civil.

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  49. Sabril,

    You are misunderstanding the discussion.

    Are you familiar with the Islamic concept of Taqiya?

    The way that a Jew or a half-Jew uses Taqiya is infinitely subtler than the deceit that the most astute Muslim inflicts upon us.

    And to boot the whole process doesn’t even have to be conscious.

    The Jewish Problem is not as conscious as depicted in the Protocols of the Elders Zion. It’s rather an unconscious process beneath the continents and the oceans where two plate tectonics clash with each other: the Jewish one submerging the Gentile one in modern times.

    Strategies of survival, the field of MacDonald as an evolutionary psychology scholar, explain this subject without the Protocols/Plate-tectonic metaphor. But MacDonald’s point in The Culture of Critique is straightforward: consciously or unconsciously, Jews (like Tim Wise) practice a form of Taqiya writ large with the purpose to disposes whites within their own nations.

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  50. My working hypothesis is that, because they've historically spent so little time running their own country, selection pressure for ideas and genetic predispositions promoting national longevity was unusually weak among the Jewish people. This doesn't mean there haven't been Jewish patriots--Fritz Haber is an especially tragic example of one--but suicidal traitors like Tim Wise are more common among those with at least partial Jewish descent, and their impact is of course enhanced by their higher average IQ. (That said, primary responsibility for America's decline still falls squarely on WASP shoulders. They're the ones who started the multicultural experiment, and failed to pare it back after it started spinning out of control.)

    On another note, as a Chinese-American, I'm kinda ashamed of Yan Shen. Christ, could the guy show some fucking gratitude?

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  51. At 3/04/2011 6:24 PM, Anonymous Captainchaos said...

    Very eloquent.

    I will take neocon sluts for 100.

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  52. "If Tim Wise claims to be White, he's just playing games.

    But if he claims to be Jewish, we should accept him at his word.

    Does that pretty much sum it up?
    "

    You're playing the same games. There is no "we" that you and I share, and you, like Wise, are well aware of it.

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  53. The four doormen of the apocalypseMar 5, 2011 07:54 PM

    Just watching Deep Impact.

    The media have had a hard-on for a Black president for a long while, haven't they.

    They have also been pushing the concept of the white female superstar and the responsible black super male ...

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  54. Hmm. I wonder why is sabril trying so hard to persuade us that Tim Wise isn't Jewish.

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  55. "You're playing the same games. There is no "we" that you and I share, and you, like Wise, are well aware of it."

    Seems like you're the one playing games. There is an obvious "we" that includes you and Sabril (and me): commenters on Dennis's blog. With that established, why don't you answer Sabril's question?

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  56. Debunking of the Moldbug Calvinist conspiracy theory(now adopted by Half Sigma) at Hailtoyou blog:
    http://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2011/02/05/capitalist-liberal-multicultacracy/#comment-227
    As to the specific merits of the argument that “Protestants are to blame for modern Leftism”: The excellent blogger race/hist has put it thusly:

    Moldbug’s Logic In Sum
    See if you can find any holes in this logic:


    (1) There were a handful of radical abolitionists in mid-19th-century America.
    (2) They weren’t Jewish.
    (3) Therefore New England Puritans are responsible for 20th-century Leftism, Jews bearing no responsibility whatsoever.

    ….
    You could start by explaining how New England Puritans were able to radicalize Jews such as Moses Hess and Karl Marx — while said Jews were still in Germany. This is kind of important, since most analysts see Marxism weighing rather more heavily in the pedigree of modern leftism than radical abolitionism.
    (...)
    Commenter Rob S. points and laughs at the absurdity of it all:

    [To Moldbug:] I like your blog a lot, but your logic is not even close to world class. (Your style is.) Here you are all tu quoque and genetic fallacy, enough said.

    Mistakes were made by the sons of Albion c. 1840-65. Ja, und? Nobody’s perfect. Anyway, the results did not destroy this country (or the West), and it should have been clear beforehand that they would not. The 20th C border-busting racial bolshevism is a matter of a whole nother order, on an infinitely more destructive scale. It is the main event. And it’s there that I predict you will carry on with your tu quoque and genetic fallacy lest you have to actually engage KMac-ism’s actual content.

    Things were going OK here in 1920, Thomas Wentworth Higginson or no. Yes, universal wealth, the father of decadent vulgarity, was waxing. Yes, the American negro was on the loose. But non-coercive eugenics a la Lee Kuan Yew could have addressed both — that is, it could have improved both the white and black races. Instead of that, we have what.

    Blogger Tanstaafl, with a flair for the pithy and biting comment, writes simply:

    The “debate” between yourself [race/hist] and Moldbug captures the essence of the assault jews have long waged against all their hosts: It’s all the host’s fault.

    Speaking of the U.S. Civil War — and the claim that it was simply one more episode in the neverending drive of that most hated enemy of all that is right and proper, Der Ewige Protestant — the blogger TGGP points out:

    …for the north [the motivation for war] was not slavery but nationalism.

    Finally, a comment by ATBOTL at the Mangan thread knocks it out of the park:

    There is not really a direct line between abolitionism and modern anti-racism. First of all, most abolitionists were quite “racist” by modern standards.

    Most importantly, after the Civil War, there was a shift in racial attitudes of Northern whites towards racialism. …By the early 20th Century, American Protestants had a strong belief in their racial superiority and a desire to keep America as their country. This was the time when writers like Madison Grant and Lothrop Stoddard were household names. During this period, the main force against racialism was “business interests,” that is, greedy traitors wanting cheap labor.


    Jews had also begun to influence America by the turn of the Century. They started with advocating for “pluralism” and trying to down play the idea that America had any kind of ethnic base. Modern multi-culturalism mostly traces it’s roots to a series of Jewish movements like the “Ethical Culture” movement advocating “pluralism,” Marxism, Freudianism, Boas’ race denial in anthropology, Levi-Strauss’ cultural relativism and the Frankfurt School.

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  57. DoJ, are you dog of justice, the one-in-ten-million Math genius and International Math Olympiad hall-of-famer?

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  58. "If you debunk one of her contentions she simply moves on to a new one as if nothing had happened"

    Nonsense, in this very thread I withdrew my skepticism about Wise's upbringing.

    Now that your contention has been debunked, let's see if you concede you are wrong or if you will move on as if nothing happened.

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  59. "consciously or unconsciously, Jews (like Tim Wise) practice a form of Taqiya writ large with the purpose to disposes whites within their own nations."

    Well do you agree that there are Leftist Jews who are working to undermine Israel? Is this part of the same process in your view?

    And what about White Gentiles who work to undermine Whites? Is this also the same process or something different?

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  60. "You're playing the same games."

    No, but let me re-phrase the observation:

    When Tim Wise claims to be Jewish, you accept him at his word, right? I too accept that it's more likely than not.

    Well why not also accept him at his word that he considers himself to be White?

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  61. "Hmm. I wonder why is sabril trying so hard to persuade us that Tim Wise isn't Jewish."

    Sheesh, all I did was say I was very skeptical that he was raised Jewish. When somebody produced a quote where he claimed to have attended Hebrew School, I conceded the point.

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  62. I like the comment from Rush Limbaugh, that we're afraid of the dogs and the fire hoses. Wrong Rushy, we're afraid of being raped in prison

    Now that you've told us what these 40 years of the white man's cowardice and fear has been about, do you think it's something to be proud of? "We fear injury and humiliation, so we'd rather allow our society to be despoiled and taken over by others, so we can be left alone to play with our little tech toys and whine our heads off."

    ... her posting can be seen as another knife in the back aimed at dispiriting whites even further ... "Look you stupid whites, you allows a smaller bunch of blacks to take it all away from you."

    You mean it's the responsibility of outsiders not to "dispirit" you? What else would you like outsiders to do for you that will make you feel better?

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  63. I disagree with you about Ann Coulter. She, unlike Ms. Charen, actually says things which discomfit liberals, and says them quite often.

    And that's about all she does, and is why she's so admired by right wingers -- for the same reason that the simple-minded Palin is admired. Who can't knock liberals? Big damn deal!

    Coulter has been from the beginning a warmongering monster, encouraging the unnecessary deaths of all those American soldiers sent to God-forsaken Iraq and Afghanistan. She can't get enough of bombing and ruination, as long as her little butt is safe. Because she takes such an anti-Muslim stance, right wingers tend to apply no logic to the rest of her pronouncements. She, along with other neocon "warriors," should also be on the list of those who fear setting foot outside this country, due to possible retaliation -- just like GW Bush and Company.

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  64. I don't think all Jews are bad. There are some pro-Western Jews.

    That said, the four most radical, anti-Western ideologies introduced over the past two centuries were all introduced and first popularized by Jews:

    1) Marxism
    2) Cultural Marxism
    3) Freudianism
    4) Boasian Anthropology

    All four of these ideologies have created a revolution in Western societies, an inversion of values.

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  65. Jillian's indictment of Mona Charen is ludicrous if one reads her reference blog article in Real Clear Politics. Charen criticizes Obama for his fatuous border policy and his incapacity for calling Mexico what it clearly is: a state where human rights are routinely violated. Charen nowhere defends open borders and indeed defends only limited legal immigration of high-flying intellectuals aliens who would(and do) benefit America greatly. I agree with her 100%.Charen has a good mind and deserves more respect that this thread seems capable of.


    icr labors to identify the roots of multi-culturalism. This effort ends with some quite sound assignations.However, one book will likely consumate this laborious search for origins: Fire in the Minds of Men, by James Billington will help all of you to locate revolutionary ideologies in Germany and, of course, Russia.The focus of European minds on social justice was well-developed before America could join in but we still had our lonely socialists long before 1900. icr rightly implies that Jews played a major role here just as they did in Russia, but liberalism had a much broader base, my friends, and permeated both Protestantism and Catholicism. Before the modern Civil Rights Movement, America had a firm sense of white superiority that was covert in the North and overt in the South.The force of liberalism was magnified by the reality of their control of all media and academia. Now we are "eating their dust" because racial thinking is omnipresent and all whites are in a defensive posture. That HBD is scientifically correct is little consolation now that the masses are True Believers in false equality. Jews were a major force in this New Order both abroad and at home but Christianity quickly adapted to the new meme for both practical and theoretical reasons. Afer all, souls were supposed to be equal in the first place.

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  66. Cornelius Troost: "and indeed defends only limited legal immigration of high-flying intellectuals aliens who would(and do) benefit America greatly."

    This is highly debatable. Much of the current legal immigration is non-Western, which undermines the historic racial composition of the U.S. (In the 1960 census, the US was 90% white.) Still, even if a handful of non-Western immigrants do benefit the US (North Asians), it still is not a reason to flood our country with them. There is no reason to transform the US into China.

    Much of the legal immigration, however, comes from lower IQ countries like India (the "miscegenated Brazil of Asia" - average IQ 81), where there seems to be no benefit whatsoever.

    See:

    "A Silicon Valley Executive Calls Indian H-1B Workers Incompetent Cheats and Frauds"

    http://www.vdare.com/letters/tl_102709.htm


    And:

    "The Indian Lobby"

    http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc1404/article_1241.shtml


    And legal immigration leads to chain migration and illegal immigration.


    See:

    "Indians fastest-growing illegal immigrant group in US"

    http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2011/02/20/h-1b-and-illegal-immigration/

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  67. I hope Timmy runs into the likes of Yigal Amir.

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  68. @Anonymous 3/05/2011 1:14 PM and Victoria:

    I agree with both of you. I suspect that Coulter has censored herself to some degree in order to maintain her main-stream viability. However, she also does seem to be genuinely supportive of our nation's policy of perpetually sticking our nose, and our guns, into other people's business.

    Unfortunately, sensible opinions on such matters do not get wide airing in the national media. Still, there are some signs that such heterdox opinions are becoming more acceptable.

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  69. "That said, the four most radical, anti-Western ideologies introduced over the past two centuries were all introduced and first popularized by Jews:"

    While I do agree that Leftist thinkers have been disproportionately Jewish, I'm kinda skeptical of this claim.

    For starters, can you summarize for me what "Freudianism" is and how it is a radical and anti-Western ideology?

    Same question for "Boasian Anthropology."

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  70. The four doormen of the apocalypseMar 6, 2011 12:24 PM

    Is google gaming search results in interesting ways

    The above article is about droughts in China, but buried in there is the possibility that Google is gaming search results ... which leads to interesting possibilities.

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  71. Troost, what can one say, you and reality are two ships passing in the night. And most probably, unless some oh so rude and crude mugging by the latter befalls you, never the twain shall meet. That is, assuming, you do fully believe what you write - a thing I do not take for granted.

    "I have no interest in Tim Wise but several writers continue to confuse Jews as anti-white, an assignation I reject. Simple anthropology informs us of Jewish origins in the Middle-East. They are as white as any other caucasions."

    Such nonsense, Troost.

    You cannot even articulate your position without revealing your willful ignorance (or obfuscation) of what should be as plain as the nose on your face. That which would tend to confirm what you rail against you "have no interest in". Is that the attitude towards the life of the mind you seek to inculcate in your student? They should demand a refund.

    Ashkenazi Jews, though in the main of lighter complexion than their fellow Middle Easterners, are genetically distinguishable from Europeans. Indeed, if an individual's ancestry is composed of even one Jewish grandparent, this can be detected by genetic science.

    As for Arabs, they are no more genetically European than are Jews. And as any negro could tell you, they are not White. To intermarry with them indiscriminately would well and truly put a Final end to Whiteness. I do not believe you don't know that. Yet you profess not to. Why? Are you a genocidalist who cannot countenance the continued existence of the European peoples as they are and unchanged? Answer me, now.

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  72. I don't see why Jews would be different from the rest of mankind. We belong essentially to the culture we've been born into, not mentioning our genetical inclinations.

    Tommy's Hypothesis of Jewish Emotional and Physical Development:

    Jewish men exhibit more traits of infantility and femininity than do non-Jewish white men of similar intellectual development. Jewish women exhibit more traits of maternity and masculinity than do non-Jewish white women of similar intellectual development. My personal experiences and the tropes of Jewish marriage accord with the idea that Jewish marriages often resemble a mother/son relationship more than a classical husband/wife one. The husband may be obsequious or as demanding as a newborn. The wife is either dolting or domineering.

    Tommy's Hypothesis of Jewish Narcissism:

    Jews tend to be highly narcissistic and self-asborbed. Jews may be brusque and indifferent or they may be altruistic and conscientious, but these latter traits typically exhibit themselves in a self-absorbed fashion. The Jew who is conscientious is likely motivated by a desire to make himself look good or preserve his own mental sainthood rather than moved by selfless empathy for others. As a result, the do-gooder in the Jew may look impressive up front, but it's fundamentally shallow. Drew Pinsky is a good example of the conscientious but narcissistic Jew:

    Pinsky, who admits in his 2009 book, The Mirror Effect, that he scored a 16 on the Narcissistic Personality Inventory (average is 18 for celebrities), and shares several traits with the "closet narcissist", asserts that he was never motivated by fame to become a media figure, but from a desire to educate the public on the medical facts distorted by the media. Patient Andy Dick, who made Pinsky his primary care physician, disputes the accusation that Pinsky is motivated by a desire for fame, insisting that Pinsky "really is just this unbelievably caring guy. He really is. He’s almost too caring."

    I remember listening to Pinsky dispense three parts good advice to one part ridiculous pop psychology on Loveline years ago. He struck me as very conscientious, but also very certain of himself and the accuracy of his (sometimes ill-considered) opinions.

    Incidentally, Adam Carolla, Pinsky's former sidekick on Loveline, used to characterize Drew's wife, Susan, as a domineering, fire-breathing dragon and Pinsky as the husband on a leash. Howard Stern's parent's were the opposite end of the Jewish spectrum: demanding and rather infantile husband who expected his baby bottle, I mean, his Tom Collins prepared correctly each day by his dolting, motherly wife. (The Stern marriage resembled a particular scene out of Philip Roth's book, Goodbye, Columbus.)

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  73. Now that you've told us what these 40 years of the white man's cowardice and fear has been about, do you think it's something to be proud of? "We fear injury and humiliation, so we'd rather allow our society to be despoiled and taken over by others, so we can be left alone to play with our little tech toys and whine our heads off." - Victoria

    Is this something you've argued with YR about before? I ask because the small bit that YR wrote didn't exactly seem proud. He was just recognizing the essentially military nature of the problem - the Affirmative Action State backs itself with racist sodomy gangs that rule their Brown Versus Board of Education Prisons. People who feared death by hypothermia would never have turned Sweden into a giant turnip-and-rye farm, nor would they hunt whales and catch herring in the North Sea. This is to say nothing of Roark's Drift.

    Point is, modern physical threats to white Western men never stop at death and injury. They follow up death & injury with blame & humiliation. A legion of policemen "enforcing anti-hate-crime laws" is vastly scarier than some little black kid with a can of spraypaint. I have no idea if YR really wants to be left alone to play compy games or if he is just pointing out the effects of insufficient loyalty between white males. The inability of a man to protect his street from vandalism, multikulturalism, and petty crime is mirrored by the unwillingness of the schools to discipline bullies - they are both legal in form and emotional in origin.

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  74. "I take it as sympomatic of our cultural coasening as civility erodes under the forces of liberalism."

    There is another side to that corroded coin. It is precisely liberalism that has lead to the feminization of the White man such that he no longer accomplishes what is most fundamental to masculinity - securing exclusive territory for himself and his co-tribalists that he will defend unto death. A decidedly coarse and uncouth undertaking, at least from the perpective of psychological effeminates.

    Do you now, or have you ever, decried the feminization of Western man? If so, words more empty are hardly imaginable.

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  75. Ashkenazi Jews, though in the main of lighter complexion than their fellow Middle Easterners, are genetically distinguishable from Europeans.

    Are they? What specific genetic differences are there between "Europeans" and European Jews? Are they different in quantity or quality from the genetic differences between Poles and English?

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  76. Tim Wise is sometimes referred to as the "Uncle Tim". He is the "Uncle Tim"-est of them all. Mona Charen is also an "Uncle Tim" as well.

    No. She's an Aunt Tamar.

    She's not even right when she's right. Here is an excerpt from her column "Getting Lectured on Human Rights by Mexico":

    It suits Democrats to treat immigration as an issue of “race” and discrimination, because it permits them to frighten Hispanic Americans and secure that important voting bloc. But it’s a fiction. We have an immigration problem because the U.S. is an incredibly desirable place to live and work. Immigrants continue to enrich our society, not least because they are often more appreciative of our institutions and liberties than are the native born. If it were feasible, millions of people worldwide would come here. And millions wait patiently, sometimes for decades, for the chance to do so. Democrats worry ostentatiously about the unfairness of asking people to prove their legal status. What about the unfairness of giving an advantage to line jumpers over those who abide by the law and wait their turn?

    Emphasis mine.

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  77. Mr Troost says "... several writers continue to confuse Jews as anti-white, an assignation I reject. Simple anthropology informs us of Jewish origins in the Middle-East. They are as white as any other caucasions."

    Mr Troost, we are not confused. Being sentenced to 3 years gaol for racial vilification, the race vilified being Jews, clarifies the matter. If Jews were white then they would be protesting loudly that there are laws based upon their being classified as a race, that of Jews. To the contrary, Jews pursued and pursue whites whenever and wherever they are found to be opposing Jewish interests.

    Yes, many Jews may look white, some may have European blood, but they do not identify primarily as white. Their Jewishness is their highest identification and thus definition. This is a social as well as racial definition that they maintain and is enforced by our laws.

    We identify "white" as our primary definition. It is a social as well as racial descriptor. And our laws set us aside for special discrimination against us for it.

    So please stop stating that we are confused. It is obviously YOU who are confused on the matter. Of course I do not mean disrespect to you in stating this. It needs to be stated wherever and whenever people like yourself do the Jew's bidding and conflate Jews with White, wherever our interests are concerned and support special pleading for Jews over Whites whenever their interests are concerned.

    "Jews, however, operate effectively on both sides of the divide."

    Yes, they do this by conflating Jews with White. They do so to undermine our group self interest.

    That you identify the manner in which Jews promote their group interest, and at the same time state that Jews are white indicates again, respectfully, that you are confused on the matter.

    We have to live in the world your generation created, so please at least listen to us when we inform you of our perspective, and show us some respect.

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  78. @ Captainchaos: Have some respect please. Just put your argument into writing and stop being disrespectful.

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  79. "That said, the four most radical, anti-Western ideologies introduced over the past two centuries were all introduced and first popularized by Jews:

 1) Marxism
 2) Cultural Marxism
 3) Freudianism
 4) Boasian Anthropology

. All four of these ideologies have created a revolution in Western societies, an inversion of values."

    Re: Sabril's question

    Freudianism is a radical universalist philosophy. As Alain de Benoist has argued, Feudianism attempts to universalize Middle Eastern semetic views on sex. And it resulted in an inversion of traditional views on sex.

    Jung, anti-Fruedian, realized this and argued for archetypes: collective ancestral traits held by people of common ancestry (races) but these archetypes are not universal.

    Boasian anthropology speaks for itself. It completely made as illegitimate any discussion of race or ethnic interests. It espouses that race doesn't exist in any meaningful way and that any apparent differences are cosmetic, economic or cultural.
    Henry Harpending has shown that Boas actually intentionally fabricated his findings on racial differences to "prove that race doesn't exist."

    Boasian anthropology is essentially the vanguard of Cultural Marxism. Boasian anthropology is special ops that goes in an clears the way for the regular army of Cultural Marxists.

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  80. "Freudianism" and"Boasian Anthropology" are examples of discourse...discourse is "manifested through language, a social boundary defining what can be said about a specific topic"

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  81. "Ashkenazi Jews, though in the main of lighter complexion than their fellow Middle Easterners, are genetically distinguishable from Europeans.

    Are they?"


    See:

    http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2010/06/04/new-study-on-jewish-genes/

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  82. Do you now, or have you ever, decried the feminization of Western man?

    When the history of this era is written, it will be replete with references to this feminization of the male. Look at how these conservative types, who are supposed to be the tough guys (as opposed to those metrosexuals), eagerly, almost crazily, beat the drums for Palin, Coulter, Bachmann, et. al., to be their spokes(men). There are now endless numbers of emerging females on the Right, because they've detected the weakness of the men. Somehow one is supposed to be thrilled with all these women running for office and the men, apparently, want to be ruled over by women. I think they're actually proud that they have dropped their "sexism" and have come around to accept the full equality of the sexes -- after 40 years of brainwashing, of course.

    Just as conservatives have their blacks to show off to the world, they have their women, too. Look, you libs, we're just like you now!

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  83. "Jews, however, operate effectively on both sides of the divide."


    Yes, they can pass for white in the same way that the Chinese in much of Indochina can pass for locals ... and thus, for the most part, people are not on their guard for the agenda.

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  84. See:

    http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2010/06/04/new-study-on-jewish-genes/


    It looks like a junk study.

    The study examined 237 Jewish individuals from seven regions of the world, comparing them with 418 non-Jewish people from the same regions. Each of the Jewish subjects had all four grandparents from the same population.

    I'm sure you could write the exact same sentence with equal validity if you substituted "Irish" or "Swedish" for "Jewish". It does not make the Irish or Swedes non-European though.

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  85. Yes, many Jews may look white, some may have European blood, but they do not identify primarily as white. Their Jewishness is their highest identification and thus definition.


    You're mixing up your terms. What somebody identifies as and what they actually are are often two different things. If the French decided that they hated all other white people, we'd still be justified in calling them white people. Even if they decided, for some crackpot racialist reason of their own, to insist they they were not white.

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  86. Of course, I meant doting, not dolting. My mother's southern drawl get me at times...

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  87. "Freudianism is a radical universalist philosophy. As Alain de Benoist has argued, Feudianism attempts to universalize Middle Eastern semetic views on sex"

    Well specifically what does Freudianism say about how society should be organized?

    Same question for Boasian anthropology.

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  88. And same question for cultural Marxism.

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  89. "the opposite end of the Jewish spectrum:"

    Seems to me your generalization is vague enough that just about any couple, Jewish or Gentile, could be shoehorned in.

    What demands did Howard Stern's father make that were "infantile"?

    "Drew Pinsky is a good example of the conscientious but narcissistic Jew:"

    Are there any radio or television personalities who are not narcissistic and self-absorbed? Maybe a few, but it seems to me it's a pretty common trait among self-promoting Jews and Gentiles both.

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  90. YWC conducting a physical protest vs. Tim Wise at the Univ of Idaho:
    http://nw-alternative.blogspot.com/2010/10/tim-wise-real-racist.html

    Has any Jewish group ever picketed a Wise event because of his alleged determination to destroy Israel? If not,it may be because his well-compensated talks focus heavily on non-Jewish whites and don't include much denunciation of the Izzies.

    Just asking questions.

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  91. "At 3/05/2011 8:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Hmm. I wonder why is sabril trying so hard to persuade us that Tim Wise isn't Jewish."

    Perhaps a better question is why he is trying to persuade us that Boas, and the cultural marxists (which would be who? Gramsci, Foucault, etc.) were not radical or anti-western. His socratic "what do you mean by that" bit is wearing a bit thin. He is not a disinterested searcher for truth - He is a propagandist with an agenda. I wouldn't mind that so much if he'd just come out and argue for what he is arguing for.

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  92. Maybe a few, but it seems to me it's a pretty common trait among self-promoting Jews and Gentiles both.

    I notice narcissistic behavior among Jews who are anything but celebrities and just look at how many Jews are in the media biz. In fact, I don't know if I've ever met a Jew who doesn't strike me as abnormally self-absorbed.

    A little bit more on narcissism from Wikipedia:

    Heritability of narcissism utilizing twin studies:

    Livesley et al. concluded, in agreement with other studies, that narcissism as measured by a standardized test was a common inherited trait. Additionally, in similar agreement with those other studies, it was found that there exists a continuum between normal and disordered personality.

    The study subjects were 175 volunteer twin pairs (ninety identical, eighty-five fraternal) drawn from the general population. Each twin completed a questionnaire that assessed eighteen dimensions of personality disorder. The authors estimated the heritability of each dimension of personality by standard methods, thus providing estimates of the relative contributions of genetic and environmental causation.

    Of the eighteen personality dimensions, narcissism was found to have the highest heritability (0.64), indicating that the concordance of this trait in the identical twins was significantly influenced by genetics. Of the other dimensions of personality, only four were found to have heritability coefficients of greater than 0.5: callousness, identity problems, oppositionality and social avoidance.


    There is a possibly related concept from evolutionary psychology:

    The concept of narcissism is used in evolutionary psychology in relation to the mechanisms of assortative mating, or the non-random choice of a partner for purposes of procreation.

    Evidence for assortative mating among humans is well established; humans mate assortatively regarding age, IQ, height, weight, nationality, educational and occupational level, physical and personality characteristics, and family relatedness. In the "self seeking like" hypothesis, individuals unconsciously look for a mirror image of themselves in others, seeking criteria of beauty or reproductive fitness in the context of self-reference.

    Alvarez et al. found that facial resemblance between couples was a strong driving force among the mechanisms of assortative mating: human couples resemble each other significantly more than would be expected from random pair formation. Since facial characteristics are known to be inherited, the "self seeking like" mechanism may enhance reproduction between genetically similar mates, favoring the stabilization of genes supporting social behavior, with no kin relationship among them.


    Whether there is a relationship between self-absorption and this physical narcissism and/or assortative mating remains to be investigated. There may be links between extroversion and narcissism, between verbal IQ and narcissism, and between verbal/mathematical IQ differences and narcissism. I would love to know. If Jews are indeed exceptionally narcissistic, then I can only wonder what impact they have had as originators and underwriters of values and ideas in our culture.

    Seems to me your generalization is vague enough that just about any couple, Jewish or Gentile, could be shoehorned in.

    I suspect Jews trend toward these extremes much more than non-Jewish whites of similar intellect. I also notice that Jewish marriages look cooler and more business-like than non-Jewish white marriages. There is less spontaneity, less empathy, less chivalry, less maturity. Luxury seems to take precedence over romance. Sex is often easy but Jewish relationships are often dispassionate in every other sense.

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  93. "But not everyone buys that script. Mona Charen, a conservative columnist"

    As the vastly disparate numbers of jews in media commentary positions more or less proves the argument it seems odd that people like Charen, and even more so Wise, shouldn't be identified as jewish or jewish identifying.

    Especially given that there's a lot of evidence jews are primarily responsible for the current institutional racism towards white people.

    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/Immigration.pdf

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  94. "If Tim Wise claims to be White, he's just playing games. But if he claims to be Jewish, we should accept him at his word. Does that pretty much sum it up?"


    The issue is he claims both. He claims to be white when he is attacking white people. When that audience isn't watching he claims to be jewish. It's therefore quite possible he's simply a jewish racist using stealth tactics to attack white people - in the same way so much of the US media does.

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  95. "several writers continue to confuse Jews as anti-white, an assignation I reject. Simple anthropology informs us of Jewish origins in the Middle-East. They are as white as any other caucasions."

    jews aren't anti-white or anti-christian.

    jews are anti-white in white countries.

    jews are anti-christian in christian countries.

    In white countries jews will be pro-islam, pro-buddhist, pro-chinese, pro-arab.

    In china and japan jews will be pro-white and pro-christian and anti-buddhist, shinto and confucius and anti-chinese, japanese. In arabia jews will be anti-arab and anti-muslim.

    diaspora jews exist as a cohesive nomadic tribal group inside other people's countries and have done so for a very long time. Part of their strategy for achieving success in this precarious situation involves creating and spreading as much division and conflict as possible among whoever they happen to be living among.

    The same jewish media executive flying between meetings in America, Japan and Qatar could be both pro and anti the same thing in different places.

    Cultural marxism is simply a layer of camouflage over that ancient strategy.

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  96. "Has any Jewish group ever picketed a Wise event because of his alleged determination to destroy Israel?"

    I doubt it, actually I would guess it's pretty unusual for Jewish groups to picket anti-Israel speakers. But if they did, it would hardly be a surprise if they focused an speakers who were actually expected to bash Israel in their talks.

    By the way, I no longer engage with poster "Martin B" due to his insistence on misrepresenting my position. I can provide a link if someone else is curious.

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  97. Point is, modern physical threats to white Western men never stop at death and injury. They follow up death & injury with blame & humiliation. A legion of policemen "enforcing anti-hate-crime laws" is vastly scarier than some little black kid with a can of spraypaint. I have no idea if YR really wants to be left alone to play compy games or if he is just pointing out the effects of insufficient loyalty between white males. The inability of a man to protect his street from vandalism, multikulturalism, and petty crime is mirrored by the unwillingness of the schools to discipline bullies - they are both legal in form and emotional in origin.

    Most whites are still in denial, and imagine themselves to be more or less free. They are only "free" insofar as they do not engage in active self-defense-and in some cases not even then. Without wealth and/or effective political or social connections it's best to pretend to be an admirer of the likes of Tim Wise.

    Listening to "patriot" radio a surprising amount of the outrage is directed at environmental programs like wolf reintroduction and federal closure of caves to humans to prevent bat extinction via the WNS epidemic. Not kidding.

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  98. "sabril said...

    By the way, I no longer engage with poster "Martin B" due to his insistence on misrepresenting my position. I can provide a link if someone else is curious."

    Well I will not play along with your passive-aggressive "you are not allowed to rebut me" crap. I will engage YOU when ever I damn well like.

    I did not misrepresent Sabril in the past, and I am not doing so now. By all means, follow the little weasel's link and assay his supposed "proof", if you like.

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  99. This long thread clearly reflects the anger and frustration of conservative whites who feel disposessed and under siege by the liberal media and academia, as well as foot-soldiers like the abominable Tim Wise. We have the additional problem of the Republican Party being weak on immigration. Our heroes are all clustered on the Internet and serve restricted audiences. There is no easy solution.

    While Jews actively promoted revolutionary schemes and became the most successful movers and shakers of the Modern Age, they are utterly Caucasion and people like them drifted into Europe 10,000 years ago to establish agriculture.Various studies of human DNA establish the fact that, while Southern Europeans are closer to the Middle-Eastern haplogroups, all Europeans are white and share similar genetic markers. They can all be distinguished from black Africans or Chinese.

    Ignorance of genetics is very widespread and causes confusion. In defending American whites we defend the European ancestry of all of us.No-one can discuss genomics intelligently without considerable study of material by the inimitable Razib Khan at Discover Magazine. He is a brilliant geneticist.Of course there are many routes to knowledge, but some here display heated opininions without real knowledge. Science is unusual because it reduces the space for opinion in most cases but not all.

    Given the pluralism that marks American history, we should preserve the best of American traditions, values, and assets while protecting the same from immigration assaults. Selective immigration policies may work well at times and should not be dismissed easily. Talented foreign workers can enhance our lives as they do in medicine today. Racial purity must not be our goal.

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  100. "I doubt it, actually I would guess it's pretty unusual for Jewish groups to picket anti-Israel speakers"

    Well, they used to do that sort of thing back in the old days:
    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&court=US&case=/us/337/1.html
    (...)
    Terminiello's own testimony shows the conditions under which he spoke. So far as material it follows:

    '* * * We got there (the meeting place) approximately fifteen or twenty minutes past eight. The car stopped at the front entrance. There was a [337 U.S. 1 , 15] crowd of three or four hundred congregated there shouting and cursing and picketing. * * *

    'When we got there the pickets were not marching; th y were body to body and covered the sidewalk completely, some on the steps so that we had to form a flying wedge to get through. Police escorted us to the building, and I noticed four or five others there.
    'They called us 'God damned Fascists, Nazis, ought to hang the so and sos.' When I entered the building I heard the howls of the people outside . * * * There were four or five plain clothes officers standing at the entrance to the stage and three or four at the entrance to the back door.


    'The officers threatened that if they broke the door again they would arrest them and every time they opened the door a little to look out something was thrown at the officers, including ice-picks and rocks.

    'A number of times the door was broken, was partly broken through. There were doors open this way and they partly opened and the officers looked out two or three times and each time ice-picks, stones and bottles were thrown at the police at the door. I took my place on the stage, before this I was about ten or fifteen minutes in the body of the hall.

    'I saw a number of windows broken by stones or missiles. I saw the back door being forced open, pushed open.
    (...)
    'I saw rocks being thrown through windows and that continued throughout at least the first half of the meeting, probably longer, and again attempts were made to force the front door, rather the front door was forced partly. The howling continued on the outside, cursing could be heard audibly in the hall at times. Police were rushing in and out of the front door protecting the front door, and there was a general commotion, all kinds of noises and violence-all from the outside.
    'Between the time the first speaker spoke and I spoke, stones and bricks were thrown in all the time. I started to speak about 35 or 40 minutes after the meeting started, a little later than nine o'clock. * * *'


    The court below, in addition to this recital, heard other evidence, that the crowd reached an estimated number of 1,500. Picket lines obstructed and interfered with access to the building. The crowd constituted 'a surging, howling mob hurling epithets at those who would enter and tried to tear their clothes off.' One young woman's coat was torn off and she had to be assisted into the meeting by policemen. Those inside the hall could hear the loud noises and hear those on the outside yell, 'Fascists, Hitlers!' and curse words like 'damn Fascists.' Bricks were thrown through the windowpanes before and during the speaking. About 28 windows were broken. The street was black with people on both sides for at least a block either way; bottles, stink bombs and brickbats were thrown. Police were unable to control the mob, which kept breaking the windows at the meeting hall, drowning out the speaker's voice at times and breaking in through the back door of the auditorium. About 17 of the group outside were arrested by the police.
    (...)

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  101. Dr. Troost: I want to dispute the last part of your latest comment.

    Given the pluralism that marks American history, we should preserve the best of American traditions, values, and assets while protecting the same from immigration assaults. Selective immigration policies may work well at times and should not be dismissed easily. Talented foreign workers can enhance our lives as they do in medicine today. Racial purity must not be our goal.

    The phrase "pluralism of American history" obscures more than it enlightens. Until 1965, America was around 90% white (European), and probably 98% Christian. If that's pluralism, I guess I can live with that.

    "Selective immigration policies": I've made the point before that we are so far from a selective immigration policy that discussion of its advantages or disadvantages is useless. When we admit 50,000 people annually via a *lottery*, and look the other way when millions of illegals enter, what is the point of saying that some immigration might be useful? We've got much larger problems to deal with.

    "Racial purity must not be our goal": Depends on what you mean by that. An individual American's ethnic makeup is probably nobody's business, but the ethnic makeup of America as whole certainly is. Nations that ignore this are doomed. As ours surely is.

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  102. "Well, they used to do that sort of thing back in the old days"

    Lol, there were a lot fewer anti-Israel speakers in 1946. But seriously, it does seem that Jews and Gentiles both are a lot less tough than 50 or 100 years ago.

    What this has to do with Tim Wise, I'm not sure. Probably if he gave an anti-Zionist speech in Kiryas Arba, he would get picketed.

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  103. Mr. Troost, the article I reference by Mona Charen does indeed give a flavor of her pro-immigration stance. If it was too subtle for you here are more blatant examples. Only someone caring more about the correctness of his opinion than the truth could deny her position.


    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/229671/republicans-shouldnt-alienate-hispanic-voters/mona-charen

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/252556/impressions-historic-election-mona-charen

    http://townhall.com/columnists/monacharen/2007/07/06/why_im_a_mushy_moderate_on_immigration/page/2


    http://townhall.com/columnists/monacharen/2003/06/27/straight_talk_about_immigration


    http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/2010/11/mona-charen-palin-unconvincing-presidential-contender#ixzz1Fvr6AmUj

    Charen says many things that conservatives like, however, on the most important issue facing us her position is that of a liberal. If we lose on immigration it's all over. We are quickly becomig a multiracial dystopia in which European-Americans are an increasingly dispossed, powerless, and persecuted minority. If a "conservative" doesn't care about this reality, they have nothing to say. Calling her names is tame, she should be ousted from conservative commentary.

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  104. Well I will not play along with your passive-aggressive "you are not allowed to rebut me" crap. I will engage YOU when ever I damn well like.

    If my hypothesis of Jewish development is correct, then arguing with a Jewish man is a lot like arguing with a non-Jewish woman: probably futile.

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  105. "I notice narcissistic behavior among Jews who are anything but celebrities "

    For what it's worth the behavior of Jews I know seems pretty close to that of Gentile whites, all things being equal. The Jews seem to be slightly more argumentative and willing to express their opinions.

    "I suspect Jews trend toward these extremes much more than non-Jewish whites of similar intellect."

    This reminds me of global warmists. Faced with the problem of flat temperatures for the last 10 or 15 years, they revise their predictions to be of "extreme weather."

    The fact is that there are plenty of marriages, both Jewish and Gentile, where the husband is dominant. And plenty where the wife is dominant.

    Anyway, you did not answer my question from before:

    What demands did Howard Stern's father make that were "infantile"?

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  106. Ignorance of genetics is very widespread and causes confusion. In defending American whites we defend the European ancestry of all of us.

    In arguing that Jews are white, Dr Troost seems to embrace the broad definition of white=Caucasoid. In making the above appeal, Dr Troost seems to embrace the narrow definition of white=European. Both definitions are clearly in common use, and I'm not sure which is more common.

    These definitions are different, though, and the difference is important. Jews are clearly Caucasoid, so by the broad definition are unquestionably white. Ashkenazi Jews are maybe half European, while Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews are not European or hardly European at all. In sum, Jews are not European.

    Simply, if you look at Arabs and say "those are white guys" then you gotta say Jews are white. If you look at Arabs and say "those ain't white guys," then you gotta say Jews ain't white.

    Maybe Dr Troost and his interlocutors would like to take up the question "are Arabs white?"

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  107. CT strikes me as being an overly nice and fair minded older WASP type of the sort that our enemies crushed a long time ago. We can't be like him if we expect to take our country back.

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  108. Cornelius Troost,

    While I enjoy your writings and generally agree with you, I think you're off on a few points here.

    Regarding Jews, there are different types of Jews. Ethiopian Jews, for instance, are not European, and most Sephardic Jews generally do not cluster with Europeans. But I assume you're talking about Ashkenazi Jews. What you say is true. Nearly all Ashkenazi Jews do have European DNA. But this does not mean that they all do not cluster together. For the high IQ argument in Cochran and Harpending to be valid, Ashenazis must have been an endogamous group, which they probably were. Modern genetics confirms this fact:

    http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2010/06/04/new-study-on-jewish-genes/

    That said, I think the more European, pro-Western Ashkenazi jews (like Edwin Rubenstein and Paul Gottfied) should be welcome into our ranks. Unfortunately, most Jews have the unfortunate habit of supporting open borders, free trade, Cultural Marxism, Boasian race denial and nearly ever other anti-Western ideology within Western countries.

    Regarding legal immigration, I don't mean to sound offensive, but I think you're a little naive. For every 1 high IQ immigrant who may contribute positively to the US there are nearly 100,000 undesirables.

    If you haven't read it already, you should read Edwin Rubenstein's classic article "Legal Immigration - The Bigger Problem":

    http://www.vdare.com/rubenstein/070731_nd.htm

    Cornelius Troost: "considerable study of material by the inimitable Razib Khan at Discover Magazine. He is a brilliant geneticist."

    Last I checked, Kahn only has an undergraduate degree and has not been involved in any major laboratory work. While he has a good blog and has made positive contributions as a journalist, he most often sides with his co-ethnics against European Americans. He also has the crass habit of discussing and promoting interracial pornography. If you, Dr. Troost, have problems with the word 'slut' being used, what do you think about the promotion of interracial pornography?

    And some of Razib's research methods are dubious:

    http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/more_praise_for_razib_khan_of_gnxp/

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  109. "probably futile"

    I would say that the vast majority of online arguments are pretty much futile. It's rare that somebody is confronted with evidence or a compelling argument and concedes a point.

    I myself did so in this very thread, but this is unusual among Jews and Gentiles both.

    As far as my ban of "Martin B" also known as "Mr. Anon" goes, it's fundamentally about my own preference for certain kinds of debate. I'm not interested in having debates with people whose strategy is to misrepresent what I say so that they can attack a strawman. It's annoying and there is very little chance of my learning anything from it.

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  110. For Dennis,
    I wouldn't be here if it were not for your often profound commentaries. I respect the excellence of your mind and enjoy participating here.Your contributors are very diverse and sometimes extreme, but the blog offers all of us a chance to learn and comiserate. It can be very stimulating at times.

    You and I are not so far apart as I think. Pluralism is our heritage in part because we participated in global slavery. Slavery was a universal phenomenon and part of a stage in history we now agonize over mostly because liberalism won over the masses and today indoctrinates with an intensity equal to the Bolsheviks.Thus, rather than simply apologize for a universally shared mistake, we are being forced to relinquish all signs of our power via many kinds of concessions.Ironically, we now know that races are very unequal and modern genomic studies are putting such differences on open display. Liberal scientists like spencer Wells will dance a verbal tango around the facts that emerge, but the idea of forced "diversity" will be soon discredited. The pluralism that maintains our historical "authority" in America is what I believe in in an ideal world. However, blacks have become an enemy and are fully supported by the powerful Hispanic lobby and the liberal media. Our enemies are intensely focussed on gaining color domination. Our traditional meritocracy has to be steamrolled to invert the hierarchy, a project Obama is trying right now.

    You may be right, Dennis, that the last decade or so shows the NAMS enemy gaining ground as our own government caters to their agenda.My moderate pluralism may be impossible to attain because border security, highly selective immigration, and meritocracy are not likely to be genuine policies.Our politicians are cowardly. I cannot imagine America as anything but pluralistic but you are right to fear the consequences of our current spineless concession to liberal force.Europe and America may never be pure again-if they ever were- but they will be unrecognizable cesspools if "diversity" wins as it is now. Tolerance, a chief virtue of liberalism, leads to tolerance of depravity and disorder. Unity, order, and peace may well hinge upon social systems that escape the horrors of extreme diversity.For the West to survive in any recognizable form pluralism must be modest indeed, but can it be given the harsh realities before us?