“Humor Researcher and psychologist Martin Fuhr from Aalborg University have studied how sensitive the Danes is for others scorn. He has done so by measuring a particular social phobia, called gelotofobi, which means that they fear others’ ridicule and consider it humiliating. According to Martin Fuhrer study is 1.67 percent of Danes gelotofobe to a slight degree. In comparison, between 11 and 13 percent of British, Germans and Spaniards gelotofobe and in Asia and the Middle East is the figure as high as one in six and one third of citizens. So Denmark is one of the nations of the world which are least gelotofobisk.”So, gelotophobia is lowest in Denmark and presumably the rest of Scandinavia, and increases greatly as one goes east, until in the Middle East and (Central?) Asia, up to one third of the people have this condition.
It would seem that gelotophobia must be related to arrogance, for if one is arrogant one has an inflated sense of self that hates being brought down to earth by ridicule. Also, the gelotophobe will be easily roused to violence, which would indicate adherence to the old school of honor, in which honor is determined by what others say about one, rather than one's sense that one has behaved honorably. This used to be common even in the West, and lead to the fighting of duels to avenge insults to one's honor. That duels are no longer fought in the West and that most people would consider them absurd implies that gelotophobia may be learned. On the other hand, insults to honor appear to drive much gang violence. Also, Islam requires vengeance to insults upon its honor, so it will be no coincidence that the core areas of the zone of arrogance are heavily Muslim.
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ReplyDeleteWhat was technical specialization of that exchange student from Azerbaijan ?
Respectfully, F. r.
Dennis, doesn't arrogance/high self-esteem/cockiness follow the usual black/Hispanic/white/East Asian hierarchy?
ReplyDeleteBlacks often have the greatest sense of ego and self-esteem. East Asians are on the opposite end of the spectrum. It may have something to with testosterone levels. There's plenty of empirical literature suggesting that East Asians are usually the most reserved and self-critical and the least arrogant.
It's interesting that you remarked that Muslims were more arrogant than Westerners, at least in your perception. That would seem to fit into the general HBD hierarchy which I've alluded to. I think it has less to do with geography and more to do with IQ/testosterone/some other relevant HBD factors.
I think that the correlation between gelotophobia and arrogance may actually run in the opposite direction from the one which you've assumed. People who are socially introverted and who fear being ridiculed may in fact be less arrogant on average. Your typical jock is probably much cockier than your typical nerd.
As an American who has lived in Scandinavia for twenty years, this is a difference I noticed early on. There are not as many of these anxiously assertive characters here. Thanks for the word.
ReplyDeleteGood lord, if only white European-Americans had that kind of "arrogance"! We could dearly use it. Perhaps if we had at least a little of it, then we wouldn't have accepted the guilt that the cultural Marxists have foisted upon us, a guilt that has prompted so many whites to decry their own cultural heritage and allow our nations to be overrun.
ReplyDeleteI wish that "arrogance" could be bottled. I'd give it to every European-American who is ashamed of his cultural legacy. Then, maybe, we would defend our heritage and our nations instead of abetting their destruction.
I think the idea that honor cultures tend to arise in herding societies seems persuasive; it's certainly evident in my own (Scottish) ethnic group. (I imagine that the statistics given above for the "British" are skewed by inclusion of the Scots.)
ReplyDeleteAs explained here:
[H]onor-based cultures develop in response to economic precariousness and minimal state protection against theft of property. Herding societies often demonstrate these characteristics in that a loss of a herd represented a loss of entire wealth.
In other words, if you don't want people to mess with your stuff, you want to be known as a man whom others fear and respect.
If memory serves, Dennis, you're written about this before.
Ridicule strikes at our amour propre and is therefor painful, universally so. But in guilt cultures the object of ridicule at least has the option of reacting by asking himself what he has failed to do or what he has done poorly, what he is guilty of, to have inspired the ridicule. That allows him to side step the attack: it's not my self that has been assaulted it's what I have done or not done. And therefor I can dispell my guilt (and the ridicule) by correcting or improving my actions. Conversely if the ridiculed party after searching himself concludes that the ridicule has been baseless (he is not guilty) he can laugh it off.
ReplyDeleteSomebody else come up with why none of this is possible in a shame culture. I'm too pooped. ;^)
Boiled down, I suppose it's probably the case that honor culture, and therefore gelotophobia (nice word, by the way), exist in inverse proportion to general acceptance of a society's system of law, and confidence in its reach and fairness.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if gelatophobia would be entirely cultural, but it's a big part of it. English culture changed greatly after the Regency, in only a few decades with the development of the Victorian culture. For all we talk of HBD we don't always remember how much people respond to social norms, which are usually not spontaneous but imposed by the powerful.
ReplyDeleteFlorida resident: The Azerbaijani student was in high school and thus didn't have a technical specialty.
ReplyDeleteMalcolm: That's very interesting about herding societies and honor and makes much sense. That could explain something of the geography of the zone of arrogance. I've written a few things about honor before, e.g. this, in which I quoted Schopenhauer on the difference between honor and fame: http://mangans.blogspot.com/2006/03/honor-and-age.html
"In a certain sense, honour has a negative character in contrast to fame which has a positive. For honour is not the opinion of particular qualities that belong to this subject alone, but only of those which, as a rule, are to be assumed as qualities in which he should not be wanting. Therefore honour asserts merely that this subject is not an exception, whereas fame asserts that he is. Thus fame must first be acquired; honour, on the other hand, has simply not to be lost."
Thrasymachus: I think "gelatophobia" would be fear of ice cream.
Yan Shen: There may indeed be a distinction between fear of ridicule and a violent reaction to it. Not everyone who fears ridicule will act.
The trouble is, there aren't that many people to laugh at in Denmark, but more and more as you go toward Eastern Europe and the Middle East.
ReplyDeleteRobert: Scandinavians are kind, trusting and generally honest - and right now, that combination is literally killing us, after we started mass-importing people from far more cynical cultures. It's game theory really, where an aggressive minority successfully employs cheater strategies. From an evolutionary point of view, we are like a flightless bird which has evolved in an environment without predators, and then suddenly is brought face-to-face with a group of imported foxes. He has to adapt quickly, or perish.
ReplyDeleteAlready Julius Caesar commented on the basic honesty of the Germanic peoples. "Frankness" was a virtue, and not being a man of one's word was the height of dishonor. For the most part this trait, plus our affinity for cooperation and elective self-rule, has served as very well. As long as we were surrounded by people more or less like ourselves, that is. Arabs, on the other hand, positively brag about lying and cheating as much as humanly possible, and Muslims are far from the only does to do so. This puts us at a very considerable disadvantage when confronted with lying peoples, at least initially. The downside of a lying culture is a very high degree of corruption, of course.
Regarding mockery and self-criticism, Scandinavians have all the "white" traits to an extreme degree, for better or worse. Out of all the many lies told about European culture, the one about "Eurocentrism" is the most meaningless one. All cultures are ethnocentric to some extent. Those that are totally devoid of self-identification and pride as an ethic group will perish. That's pretty much where we are today. We were already from the outset among the least ethnocentric people on the planet and have been carefully indoctrinated, manipulated and stripped of what little self-defense we had. The result is that failed peoples like Arabs or Mexicans are full of false pride; the more the fail, the prouder they become. People from northwestern Europe, on the other hand, who have created some of the most accomplished and best societies the world has ever seen, have no pride at all. It's absurd, and it has to stop. Our continued physical existence depends on this.
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ReplyDeleteShame and guilt are deeply interwoven into the culture of honor seen vividly in Islamic societies. Most of the arrogance is male while the shame is female. Still, males who have been violated in some way can feel guilt or shame anyway. The role of honor is to liberate them via application of justice.
Guilt and shame were common in America before the Sixties liberal revolution. The culture of honor, however, was left behind in Europe with the exception of the deep South, where the Scotts-Irish retained some elements including revenge for even minor insults. Blacks suffered even more because white Southerners often carried guns and delivered justice at gunpoint.
Much of the long antagonism between Russia and the Caucasus nations is based upon honor. Putin's extremely brutal counterattack in Chechniya, including barbaric murders of innocents is a kind of honor response by a brutal dictator who feels insulted by small terrorist attacks. Since control is central to his MO, he must deliver a fatal blow.
The historic denouement of honor culture in Europe was a step forward for civilization. Part of the larger Islamic immigration problem today is the reallocation of peoples whose honor culture is incompatible with modern Western standards. There is inevitable conflict where such immigration occurs but liberal states feel obligated to push rather blind immigration practices anyway.
Very interesting. In face to face communication I often laugh at the ideas of those with whom I disagree. I figured it was less insulting than direct confrontation. However, this seems to be saying that it could be worse with certain folks. But hey, I am part Norwegian and Danish, so maybe the joking thing is easier for me.
ReplyDeleteWhat's the point of trying to fight the working out of Natural Selection? If we're doomed, we're doomed.
ReplyDelete"Already Julius Caesar commented on the basic honesty of the Germanic peoples. "Frankness" was a virtue, and not being a man of one's word was the height of dishonor. ... Arabs, on the other hand, positively brag about lying and cheating as much as humanly possible, and Muslims are far from the only does to do so. This puts us at a very considerable disadvantage when confronted with lying peoples, at least initially. The downside of a lying culture is a very high degree of corruption, of course."
ReplyDeleteVery, very interesting.
Anyway, I have a friend who is muslim from Bosnia. Very nice lady. Very European. No Muslim clothing etc. She cannot stand Pakistanis, Arabs etc. She says they are so two-faced and lying and cousin-marrying freaks. She said she had never seen such stuff before moving to the US and encountering US muslims from the middle east. She was once in the hospital and some nurse thought she was Turkish and she was absolutely incensed.
So, is sarcasm not so popular in these Middle Eastern cultures? Is it seen as demeaning? Or is it okay?
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting that you remarked that Muslims were more arrogant than Westerners, at least in your perception. That would seem to fit into the general HBD hierarchy which I've alluded to. I think it has less to do with geography and more to do with IQ/testosterone/some other relevant HBD factors.
ReplyDeleteNot too sure about a causal IQ relationship - Filipinos and Thais are supposedly quite timid, yet aren't too smart. Jewish people are brash.
In terms of social reserve, though this is a poor proxy for arrogance, self assessments for introversion, at least per inductivist and the GSS, place Mexicans as self assessed as more intro than Whites or Blacks - http://inductivist.blogspot.com/search/label/Extraversion. They also show the SE Asian and Jewish trends I've discussed above, although the n is pretty small for these groups.
Self assess has the normal problems, e.g. here Whites self assess as less introverted than Blacks with little difference, but maybe this is actually true and we're .
I suspect gelotophobia is more common amongst less accomplished races, nations, social classes, and individuals. The exaggerated arrogance may be a case of lack of self-awareness but it could very well also be a manifestation of an inferiority complex. In the UK middle and upper class people don't care about working class jokes about them being effeminate etc. But the working class take seriously any joke or even unintended slight coming from their 'betters'. In the US WASPs have a thick skin and no Al Sharptons, Abe Foxmans, or La Razas to protect them from criticism or ridicule. Humour that is water off a duck's back to the accomplished person or group is a further twist of the knife to the less accomplished.
ReplyDeleteOf course, almost all women could be described as gelotophobes.
The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled people make poor decisions and reach erroneous conclusions, but their incompetence denies them the metacognitive ability to realize their mistakes.[1] The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their ability as above average, much higher than it actually is, while the highly skilled underrate their own abilities, suffering from illusory inferiority. This leads to the situation in which less competent people rate their own ability higher than more competent people. It also explains why actual competence may weaken self-confidence. Competent individuals falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. "Thus, the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others."[2]
ReplyDeleteThe Danes are well known in Europe for having a very dry, self-deprecating sense of humor. Swedes are probably a bit more sanctimonious and thus more averse to being ridiculed. I've never spent any time in Sweden, though, so that's just conjecture.
ReplyDeleteArabs, on the other hand, positively brag about lying and cheating as much as humanly possible, and Muslims are far from the only does to do so. This puts us at a very considerable disadvantage when confronted with lying peoples, at least initially. The downside of a lying culture is a very high degree of corruption, of course.
ReplyDeleteI'd think the thing that would put you more at a disadvantage (than being part of a trustworthy culture) would be not being able to say "X/Group X is/are highly likely to be a lier/liers" without being socially excluded due to prevailing pro-outgroup morality.
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Dennis, as to "gelotophobia", Robin Hanson has an interesting post today about a shift in European laughter culture from an aristocratic and premodern "wit" and "ridicule" to bourgeois "humor" -http://www.overcomingbias.com/2011/01/how-good-are-laughs.html. Perhaps this relates to "gelatophobia", wherein countries which have completed this shift most, have less of this trait (although I'd guess likely the relationship is not so linear)? I'd assume that the aforementioned shift took most place in the countries (and ethnic groups) that became most bourgeois most early, that is, North West Europe radiating outwards (Holland, Britain, France).
Interesting. Still I am not sure arrogance is the right word; it is a certain kind of vanity that fears being laughed at. The truly arrogant would not care what others thought. Nietzsche made this point somewhere, but right now I can't find the relevant aphorism :-P.
ReplyDeleteBTW in my experience middle eastern (uh, other than Israeli and Persian) engineers suck. Beyond even the handicaps of lower baseline IQ there is some cultural problem, a tendency to always look for a technical answer from some authority figure rather than work it out for themselves...
Here's an honor culture for you: the first lines of a poem I learned long ago from my dear departed mum:
ReplyDeleteMa castle is aye ma ain,
An' herried it never shall be,
For I maun fa' ere it's taen,
An' wha daur meddle wi' me?
Wi' ma kit i' the rib o' ma naig,
Ma sword hingin' doon by ma knee,
For man I am never afraid,
An' wha daur meddle wi' me?
Wha daur meddle wi' me?
Wha daur meddle wi' me?
Oh, ma name it's wee Jock Elliot,
An' wha daur meddle wi' me?
As someone who has spent some time in Poland, Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia and Russia, I honestly can't say I ran into a larger % of arrogant people. Lucky me, I guess...I'm not saying it isn't true, maybe I missed it.
ReplyDeleteFear of being laughed at isn't necessarily the same as arrogance. For example, the Japanese are widely considered among the most polite people on Earth, but they tend to be (Yoko Ono excepted) very sensitive to standing out. Perhaps more importantly, they are also more sensitive to other people's social discomfort.
ReplyDeleteI was surprised to find that the Turks have a little of the Japanese about them.
I agree with much of the comments. 'Arrogance' isn't really the same as 'pride.' Arrogance is overweening pride.
ReplyDeleteSyro-Lebanese are an extremely proud people but I wouldn't call them arrogant. I tell them that they assimilate so well in the South because they're as obsessed with face as Southerners are.
We Scandinavians have used ridicule as a weapon for as long as we have written history, so it is only natural that we have found out that the only way to counter it, is to laugh along, and then point out that the others are even more ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteThe PC crowd understand this in some way, so they have made it illegal for white people to make fun of non-whites.
It won't work though, as the more they try to raise something above ridicule, the more ridiculous that something becomes.
If one takes Islam and Muhammed as an example, it is not really hard to see that the prohibition against ridicule and critique of them, have made the whole religion ridiculous.
"Beyond even the handicaps of lower baseline IQ there is some cultural problem, a tendency to always look for a technical answer from some authority figure rather than work it out for themselves..."
ReplyDeleteLack of faith in objective reality? I mean if you have some tech question, it shouldn't matter who solves it the answer is always the same because it is objective reality. Properly done, measuring and calculating will render the same result no matter who does it.
This is from a Norwegian newspaper, illustrating my point.
ReplyDelete"The two Norwegians and three Swedes ended up being arrested by local police, who protected them from an angry mob.
The troubled started after the five Scandinavian tourists got drunk, dressed themselves up like Muslim pilgrims and started dancing around the statue of a mermaid located in a town square, and pretending she symbolized Allah.
The Scandinavians apparently were trying to parody Muslim pilgrimages to Mecca. When they started stripping off their clothes, the local Egyptians had had enough and went on the attack.
A local policeman told Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet that his colleagues had to step in to protect the tourists from angry local residents. "If they hadn't been arrested, they probably would have been lynched," an Islamic expert told Aftonbladet.
The tourists were initially held on charges of indecent conduct, since some of the men exposed themselves. The charges were later raised to blasphemy, which can be punished severely."
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1305765.ece
Completely full of himself and so sure that everything he did and said was right,
ReplyDeleteThis is the classic alpha male attitude.
Geographically, you might as well refer to the "Zone of Beta Pussitude" (Western Europe, North America) and the "Zone of Alpha Self-Assurance" (everywhere else).
"Dennis, doesn't arrogance/high self-esteem/cockiness follow the usual black/Hispanic/white/East Asian hierarchy? "
ReplyDeleteIt's a little more complicated. Hispanics vary a lot. Indian Hispanics seem reserved and humble, like the Asians they are related to. Mixed race Hispanics seem cocky and arrogant overall. Southern Europeans are more arrogant than Northern Europeans.
Caucasian people from the Middle East and India seem to have levels of arrogance that are very high, often to the point of absurdity. Unlike blacks, they don't combine this with a friendly demeanor and joking, which can make them unbearable to deal with.
I remember to people here one of the best pieces about culture and war:
ReplyDelete"Why Arabs lose wars" of de Atkine (1999).
I remember to people here one of the best pieces about culture and war:
ReplyDelete"Why Arabs lose wars" of de Atkine (1999).
When asked how it was that he won so many wars, Moshe Dayan replied, "By fighting Arabs."
The tradition of duelling in northern European societies has been exaggerated in the popular imagination. For instance, 91 people died in duels in Britain during the reign of George III, or one every eight months. Considering all the things that could kill you in those days, that's an insignificant loss of life.
ReplyDeleteThe idea of resorting to arms to defend one's honour was promoted and celebrated in literature and popular fiction, and I think people got a distorted view of how often it occurred.
I've noticed that both Jews and Arabs seem to display high levels of narcissism and self-absorption, both individual and collective.
ReplyDeleteI would surmise that narcissism is associated with the following:
1. Lack of self-reflection and a tendency to maintain moral and logical blind-spots.
2. Readily criticizing others while not easily accepting the criticism from others (i.e. being thin-skinned).
3. Minimizing one's own faults while maximizing the faults of others.
4. Resorting to moral relativism when justifying one's own behavior while, simultaneously, resorting to judging others from a standpoint of moral absolutism.
5. A tendency to play defense lawyer when criticism is received rather than seriously pondering the validity of the criticism. For a narcissist, being right is less important than appearing right. Winning an argument is more important than determining truth. One-upsmanship is the order of the day.
6. Self-promotional behavior.
7. Vindictive and censorious behavior.
8. Self-pitying behavior.
9. Overconfidence in one's own judgment often resulting in excessive risk-taking.
10. Dogmatism on moral and ideological issues in the face of all contrary evidence.
11. A tendency to justify morality of positions based upon how they make one appear to others rather than on actual harm or good.
12. Emotional underdevelopment.
13. Utopianism on social issues.
I don't think narcissism is necessarily opposed to altruism. A narcissist who perceives himself as conscientious or charitable will behave in an altruistic fashion, but the motivation has everything to do with the narcissist's opinion of himself and not the well-being of those he benefits.
It would be interesting to discover how narcissism and g are related, and whether a gap between verbal and mathematical IQ is correlated with increased narcissism. I suspect narcissists may literally talk themselves into their flattering self-image. Given that narcissism appears common to Jews as early as the Talmud and its oral antecedents, perhaps even as early as the latter Nevi'im (prophets like Isaiah), this may simply be a common Mideastern trait.
On the bright side, just as narcissists may take excessive risks and overestimate their own abilities, I would imagine that narcissists are more likely to take acceptable risks and to possess confidence in their own abilities than similarly endowed non-narcissists.
> For instance, 91 people died in duels in Britain during the reign of George III, or one every eight months.
ReplyDeleteSeems like it was way, way higher than that in Prussia, but I don't have numbers.
I once dated a German chick. Her favorite saying was, "that is not normal". It was meant as a perjoritave. The translation was, "Being different is bad".
ReplyDeleteAre you kidding? Americans and Western Europeans are some of the most arrogant people around. They don't listen to anyone except the One-Eyed Hebrew in their living living room.
ReplyDeleteTry telling your average middle-class, college-educated American or Dane that multiculturalism is systematic genocide and he'll look at you with all the arrogance and disdain of an enlightened SWPL.
As for duels, they only took place between equals. It was universally understood that inferiors couldn't possibly insult superiors, for their words--much like their persons--were of no significance.
That is why, try as they might, non-Whites simply can't offend Whites.
Are you kidding? Americans and Western Europeans are some of the most arrogant people around. They don't listen to anyone except the One-Eyed Hebrew in their living living room.
ReplyDeleteTry telling your average middle-class, college-educated American or Dane that multiculturalism is systematic genocide and he'll look at you with all the arrogance and disdain of an enlightened SWPL.
Dennis, this is what I was getting at on my post that didn't pass muster.
A group of Scandinavians drunk, mocking native culture and religious faith, and exposing themselves in a country where they are guests is pure, inconsiderate, self-centered arrogance. The Egyptian police should have given them a good thrashing and sent them back to their home countries.
The more I think about it, the more I believe the Zone of Arrogance runs from Western Europe through Scandinavia, to England, then across the ocean to Canada and the US. These people have got to be the most smug, arrogant bastards on the planet. They are constantly lecturing themselves and each other on how great, tolerant, free, diverse, wealthy, generous, homophile and feminist they are and if the rest of the world would just get with the program we'd have Heaven on earth.
Your average Tuscan or Lebanese may go on for thirty minutes about how his people are the friendliest, his mother the best cook, they've got the best wine, and on and on. But he wouldn't for one minute insist that you live the same way he does or (the farthest thing from his mind), that people from all over the world are lost souls if they don't move there.
Try telling your average middle-class, college-educated American or Dane that multiculturalism is systematic genocide and he'll look at you with all the arrogance and disdain of an enlightened SWPL.
ReplyDeleteProbably because multiculturalism is NOT in fact "systematic genocide".
It's bad enough that the left imagines its opponents to be Nazis - does the right have to reciprocate the sentiment?
The tradition of duelling in northern European societies has been exaggerated in the popular imagination. For instance, 91 people died in duels in Britain during the reign of George III, or one every eight months.
ReplyDeleteIn most duels, both parties survived.
The more I think about it, the more I believe the Zone of Arrogance runs from Western Europe through Scandinavia, to England, then across the ocean to Canada and the US. These people have got to be the most smug, arrogant bastards on the planet.
ReplyDeleteI can't agree. The striking thing about white liberals in the West is their self-abnegation, their belief that their own culture and society is worthless at best and evil at worst. They may be smug and arrogant with respect to white conservatives in their own countries, but they have nothing but admiration for the worlds poor brown people.
Your typical white Western liberal thinks that his own country would be greatly improved by the presence of Egyptians or Chinese. He does not think that Egypt or China would be improved by the presence of white Western liberals.
That is why, try as they might, non-Whites simply can't offend Whites.
ReplyDeleteI agree with this statement. As an Englishman I can’t think of any insult that would greatly upset me. It is impossible to offend me by insulting my Englishness. The reason that others get upset about insults is because they believe the jibes to be true in some way and it touches a nerve. They hold deep seated grudges about their place in the world and secretly desire to get even. Sometimes I see Indians who seem to be cocky and hold themselves in high esteem and I find this rather astonishing. Yes, we whites are arrogant - all SWPL types are like this but most don’t realize it and don’t appreciate what a nice position it is to be in. Unfortunately I’m not sure that this is going to be the case forever so I suggest we enjoy it while we still can.
The Anti-Gnostic: You are both right and very wrong. These people are arrogant in all the wrong ways, while taking little pride in the real achievements of their ancestors. Bizarre, but true. They will therefore take great pride in, say, gay marriage, but will insist that modern science was invented in many places at the same time and that we owe a great debt to Arabs and Muslims. The last part is bollocks, of course.
ReplyDeleteHistory shows quite clearly that modern science was invented in one place and at one time only, and that was in Western Europe from the mid-sixteenth to the early twentieth century. Not even the most sophisticated Asian nations, China included, were anywhere near making a similar breakthrough. We would not have space travel for many centuries to come if we removed Europeans from this planet. That's a simple fact.
The problem with the West today, which is deeply and possibly terminally ill in its present form, is that we are arrogant when we shouldn't be but at the same time lack pride in real accomplishments. A healthy culture takes pride in itself and promotes good ideas, but has sufficient humility to know that there are still things it can learn from others. In other words: You come up with good ideas but also adopt good ideas from others for your benefit. We do the exact opposite right now. We admire failed cultures such as the Islamic ones, but reject as "racist" East Asians who can maintain a sophisticated society without committing suicide. Muslims wage a war against their neighbors everywhere from Thailand to Israel. It is extremely arrogant to expect that they will behave differently in Sweden or Canada and that they will adopt gay marriage, yes.
They may be smug and arrogant with respect to white conservatives in their own countries, but they have nothing but admiration for the worlds poor brown people.
ReplyDeleteNothing but faux admiration, all in the name of vanity and social acceptance. They love volunteering in Third World dumps, but not because they love Third World dumps, but because they love the attention they get there and the bragging rights they get back home.
The truth is that if one of these arrogant, condescending SWPLs were to wake up a Dravidian or a Negro one day she would promptly kill herself.
You can really get a sense of this by playing bridge online. See, a very common creature in online bridge is the "arrogant novice." i.e. someone who rates himself as "advanced"; whose play is rather mediocre; and who regularly blames his partner when things go wrong.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, it definitely seems like certain countries have a lot more than their fair share of arrogant novices.
> The truth is that if one of these arrogant, condescending SWPLs were to wake up a Dravidian or a Negro one day she would promptly kill herself.
ReplyDeleteWould that that were so - there's a grain of truth there but you're exaggerating greatly. These SWPLs don't effectively resist race mixing on the part of their own kids. Of course, their offspring wouldn't consider any but the top 4% or so of the world's Blacks or Dravidians - but still.
The truth is that if one of these arrogant, condescending SWPLs were to wake up a Dravidian or a Negro one day she would promptly kill herself.
ReplyDeleteI've personally met a lot of them whose most earnest wish was to wake up colored.
Fjordman is again very insightful and informative. The West is indeed blindly arrogant in its multicultural myopia. By worshipping failed states and alien traditions, it weakens its own fabric inevitably.Some degree of broad learning is healthy but American schools deliberately revise history and inculcate tons of nonsense in order to invert reality and celebrate the least able among us. The damage done to youth is irreparable.
ReplyDeleteEuropen nations and America must either awaken from this liberal craze or suffer enough decline to become essentially dead states parasitized by aliens fighting for the remains. Hispanics in America are fully tribal and vicious in their battle to overwhelm a divided nation lacking a Geert Wilders type.PC so intoxicates the masses that even the Tea Party acts like immigration problems don't exist. It is the arrogant intruders who will rule the day.
What's the point of trying to fight the working out of Natural Selection? If we're doomed, we're doomed.
ReplyDeleteIs this a trick question?
What does "doomed" mean?
That's why they play the games. No one gets to call the game and declare victory based on the spread.
We're flexible strategizers, not dumb birds. At worst, we're looking at a population bottleneck where all the less than sufficiently ethnocentric whites become non-white.
@Svigor, "At worst, we're looking at a population bottleneck where all the less than sufficiently ethnocentric whites become non-white."
ReplyDeleteIt might not just create a population bottleneck, but lead to significant selection for traits among those Europeans who do survive qua Europeans, that makes the populations as a whole more ethnocentric. PC propaganda may be like hospitals creating superbugs that are antibiotic resistant.
I think the situation is more subtle than this, and I am not this sanguine, but it's something worth considering if one is a liberal happily anticipating the end of the European race through mass immigration + mass media brainwashing ...
^^^ i.e., what Svigor said - no more multitasking while commenting for me. My emphasis is on just how ethnocentric they might become, though. The more all-encompassing the environmental selection, the stronger any ethnocentric mechanisms need to be.
ReplyDeleteArrogance=fear. Humility=courage. In order for blacks to be funny, loud, bold, soulful, athletic, free-spirited people, they must possess internal humility and courage. In fact, people tend to portray on the surface the opposite of what they are internally, as a means to protect their core. As a result, middle easterners and Asians, who come off most introverted and reserved are only disguising the highest degree of internal arrogance among all races. Whites are less elusive with their arrogance than middle easterners and Asians. And blacks are least arrogant, as they are most simple and humble. Don't get it twisted. Blacks are also least threatening.
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