I recently read Tim Ferriss's The 4-Hour Body, which is currently number one on the Amazon Bestsellers list. All in all, it's an interesting and unusual book, worth reading by anyone interested in health and physical fitness, assuming that one has a fairly high tolerance for its author's terminal smugness, name-dropping, and flaunting of a hipper-than-thou attitude. Granted, Ferriss has accomplished some tremendous things at a young age, such as two national bestselling books, so perhaps he can be cut some slack for his boasting.
One of the book's chapters deals with fast weight gain, that is, in the bodybuilding sense. A post on Ferriss's blog, From Geek to Freak: How I Gained 34 lbs. of Muscle in 4 Weeks, outlines the concept, which is fleshed out in greater detail in the book. Since over the past year I've been in a health recovery mode, and since up until the end of December I had put on 20 pounds via weightlifting, I decided to give the one-month weight-gain trial a go, and now that the month is nearly over, I can report results.
First of all, having read Ferriss's book, I also read another one that he recommended, McGuff and Little's Body by Science, which I can also recommend. Body by Science could be subtitled "Everything You Know About Exercise Is Wrong", and one of the main takeaway points from this book is the amount of rest one needs between workouts, which is far greater than current wisdom has it. In fact, McGuff and Little recommend only one workout a week, and back their claim with appropriate scientific references. I'm still having a hard time believing it, but nevertheless cut back my gym visits to one every four days, which appears to have led to a vast improvement in my progress, since when I work out I have no residual fatigue from the last visit. Cutting back on weightlifting sessions also figures greatly in Ferriss's one-month weight-gain program. I also began practicing McGuff and Little's recommended high-intensity workout mode, which is a killer.
Also figuring greatly is eating and, long story short, I had a tough time with that. Psychologically, I'm not attuned to eating more than I want; rather the opposite. But I gave it the old college try, doing things like drinking half-and-half by the glass, and eating larger quantities of my usual semi-paleo fare, such as meat, cheese, eggs, sour cream, with supplemental whey protein shakes and BCAAs, and so on.
The results: rather than Ferriss's 34 pound one-month gain, or Casey Viator's 45 pound gain - 63 pounds of muscle minus 18 pounds of fat - I gained a grand total of 6 pounds over the past 30 days. (I don't know my before or after body fat percentage.) So, that brings my 8-month total weight gain to 26 pounds, from 135 to 161 pounds, and I'm still wearing the same waist size as before. (Sorry, no shirtless photos.)
What accounts for my relative failure to really pack on the pounds? Well, it's either me or the theory. I may simply have not eaten enough, though Lord knows I tried. The theory may not account enough for genetics, as Ferriss, Viator, and some others may simply be genetically gifted that way - although Ferriss got himself tested with the result that he was cut out for endurance, not resistance, training, but managed his feat anyway. Another thing is my age (55); it's known that the older one gets, the more difficult it is to make muscle.
In any case, I'm not done with either weightlifting (I'm now an addict) or trying to add more muscle, so we'll see how it goes.
I don't have an opinion about weight gain -- my problem is keeping weight off -- but if you are now a weightlifting addict you'd probably be interested to try this amazing exercise: the "Turkish get-up", which was shown to me by a kung-fu student of mine who is a lifelong fitness fiend (and who has the body of a discobolus).
ReplyDeleteIt's best to do it with a kettle-bell, if you have one, but a dumb-bell works fine. My student said that at one gym he used to belong to they wouldn't move you along in the weightlifting program until you could do this with a 100-pound weight.
Eating is the key.
ReplyDeleteI've been trying to gain weight for years and even once spent about 10 months lifting 6 times a week for about 1.5 hours a day (serious overtraining there).
But my persistent failure taught me one thing: it's all about diet and rest.
Unfortunately, I've never had the time or energy to adhere to an eating plan. One of these days...
I doubt that you are target demographic at your age.
ReplyDeleteI used to be a scrawny Geek (6'2", 140 pounds), which used to cause me a lot of grief as a teen. I ate enormous meals and tried various workout schemes, to no avail.
I gave up as a became mature and more confident about myself.
Then, at the age of 23 or so, I rapidly started to gain weight, including fat. Since then, I take dietary advice loosely into consideration, without following any particular diet. I do push-ups, etc. every now and then, when I feel like it. I walk and bike, do physical labor outdoors. This way I gained and maintain a permanent and pretty lean 205 pounds. I look like a lumberjack or construction worker (or what they used to look like before junk food entered the scene), which is my personal ideal anyway.
If I had followed this guys routine during my time of sudden weight gain, I surely would have attributed my improvement to it. But looking back, I always had broad shoulders and masculine facial features.
Ferris looks quite athletic and somewhat mesomorphic on his before picture. He doesn't look like he is tall, which makes things easier. Also notice his facial features and take into account that he would look more impressive in person than on a photograph.
95% of adult men would probably be happy to attain, what he calls his "geek" stage.
I also began practicing McGuff and Little's recommended high-intensity workout mode, which is a killer.
ReplyDeleteI'd love to know more about this. I may buy the book but can you tell us a little more? I'm not sure I'll be able to poor-man-simulate this at home and right now I'm not sure if I should spend my spare cash on a gym (so I can look like I can defend myself) or jujitsu classes (so I can actually defend myself).
I certainly have the time but I'm not sure if weight gain should really be my goal. I'm not trying to look good but actually extend my lifespan as an effective defender of my family. That is a nuanced concept that I think everyone has had from time to time - I don't care if I'm alive at 90 but I damn well don't want to be in a walker at 70.
OneSTDV said...
ReplyDeleteEating is the key.
Yeah, I wonder whether I didn't somewhat self-sabotage. eating so much seems kind of... wrong.
Anon: I'm sure I'm not "the target demographic"; however, so far as I can tell from the literature, the inability to add muscle at older ages appears to be partly related to insulin resistance. Since I eat low-carb, I'm guessing my insulin sensitivity is fairly good. Ferriss is 5'9", I'm 5'10". I now weigh the most I have since college.
B Lode: The high intensity workout is one of very slow reps, one set, mostly compound exercises, and always to failure. The authors have a blog with a number of articles listed that could partly substitute for the book.
http://www.bodybyscience.net/
Well, 6 pounds of muscle in one month (if it's muscle) is remarkable for anyone at any age not using steroids, so your genetics are fine. You've been religious about low carb for so long, have you thought about increasing simple-carbs before and after workouts? I think there's a lot of science behiind it, though I have no links at hand. But fwiw, when I busted through a 6 month strength plateau, it coincided with using these two products
ReplyDeletehttp://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/product_information/the_3rd_law_of_muscle
http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=459244
I was under the impression the Ferriss and Viator were both putting muscle back on when they showed impressive one month grains. Supposedly, it is easier to bulk back up than to gain new muscle.
ReplyDeleteSix pounds in a month seems like a considerable accomplishment, especially at 55. Frankly, putting on thirty pounds of muscle in one month seems likely pointless for most people; you're probably putting a great stress on the kidneys for no good reason. Of course if you can promote a book by doing it, then kudos. Always nice if someone wants to use themselves as a lab animal to show the rest of us something interesting.
ReplyDeleteI remember being pleased with myself for putting on thirteen pounds of muscle in four months back when I was 23. Guess I should have aimed higher!
I just realized, I have been reading this whole thing just assuming that your goal is the same as mine: reasonably low body fat, healthy arteries, self defense (being less vulnerable to muggers and sucker-punchers, etc.)
ReplyDeleteThen I thought back to your post on defeating chronic fatigue syndrome, and I assumed that was your goal.
Now that I have decided to stop assuming:
What is your goal?
Impressing hot chics? Lifting subcompact cars off of crash victims? Gathering material for cool blog posts?
All legitimate goals, of course.
Scott: I have added some carbs, especially post-workout, usually in the form of potatoes. I did this on the recommendation of Paul Jaminet, who really seems to know what he's talking about.
ReplyDeleteWhat is your goal?
Impressing hot chics? Lifting subcompact cars off of crash victims? Gathering material for cool blog posts?
Guilty to all of the above. Seriously, my health is the most important, whether I'm adding muscle or not. I just want to have energy and feel well, and weightlifting seems to do the job.
And as for impressing hot chicks, I confess that adding muscle is a big confidence-booster. The chicks can't see your money, but they can see your build. ;-)
It's ironic but pushing weights around is the easiest part of strength training and eating right is the hardest. Lots of people recommend GOMAD but drinking a gallon of milk every day is uncomfortable even if you're lactose tolerant. I've pretty much settled on half a gallon as a supplement to my normal Paleo diet and am starting to get beefy after about six months in the gym -- just about ready to graduate from the Starting Strength beginner program.
ReplyDelete"What accounts for my relative failure to really pack on the pounds? Well, it's either me or the theory."
ReplyDelete6lbs in a month (if it's all muscle) is incredible. 5lbs-10lbs of muscle in a year is excellent. Another commenter above mentioned the key part of Ferriss's scam here: anyone who has lifted weights before knows it's immensely easier to rebuild strength and muscle mass than to build it up from scratch. The only way anyone packs on 30lbs of muscle in a month is if they had that muscle from years of training, deliberately lost it by not working out for months, and then built it back.
You did hit on the key insight though, which is rest & recovery time.
There is dissapointing lack of skepticism here. Claims of 63-pound one-month muscle gains, or even 34 pounds, are no more credible than spoon bending and astral projection.
ReplyDeleteAs to the matter of skepticism, I have noticed it myself. I think people are in the habit of, if not totally believing, at least nodding and smiling at the claims of big beefy men. The alternative is arguing with them.
ReplyDeleteDennis,
ReplyDeleteDo you do calorie counting? Get a foodscale and record your caloric intake. If you're not doing it now recording your calories will be a big eye opener.
Bodybuilding is actually mostly diet, so your real training should be your diet. 80/20 rule. 80% focus on food, 20% on working out.
6 lbs is great. Imagine where you'd be with that after a year! Ferris exaggerates (polite term for it) for a living so don't take his claims entirely seriously.
There is no possibility that Ferriss put on that much muscle in 4 weeks without considerable chemical augmentation. And I'm not sure I believe him about the gain anyway.
ReplyDeleteAs for Viator, he was vastly under his "normal" bodyweight at the beginning, and ramped up by the amount he did through copious ingestion of steroids, and probably lied about the 65 lbs anyway.
This field is full of snake oil. Six pounds in one month with no increase in waist measurement is phenomenal, at the outer edge of possibility (though I do believe you). The other claims are just so much bullshit.
My favorite commentary about foods:
ReplyDeleteJack LaLanne's rules on foods: 'If man made it don't eat it. If it tastes good, spit it out.'
R.I.P.
Jack Lalanne
Dennis,
ReplyDeleteCongrats on your progress. I follow the Perfect Health Diet plan pretty closely right now- I bought the book after you blogged about it. What would you estimate your caloric intake and daily intake of fat, carbs, and protein are?
"...one of the main takeaway points from this book is the amount of rest one needs between workouts, which is far greater than current wisdom has it."
ReplyDeleteI've come to find that I usually need about 6 days between workouts, which is way more than most everything I've read, but maybe I'm less weird than I thought if all the literature was wrong.
well the key point in body by science isn't just gaining muscle, but doing so during calorie restriction. if you're dieting, you want to be exercising less.
ReplyDeleteand 55 is way too old to be seeing big muscle gains.
Ferriss is a blatant liar. He claimed to have "vanquished four MMA world champions" in "cage fights in Japan". His name appears in no MMA databases, and no Japanese MMA organization uses cages (Japanese MMA is contested in boxing rings).
ReplyDeleteHis blog post on gaining muscle is a joke. What a laughable use of trick photography.
Jim Jones: Glad you found PHD of use to you. Unfortunately, I've only the vaguest idea about my caloric intake, maybe 3,000? I probably take in under 100 grams carb daily, protein over 120 grams. "Body by Science" estimates that each pound of muscle results in 35 calories more burned daily. If I've put on 25 pounds of muscle, then I'm burning 875 more daily calories just by existing than I did 8 months ago.
ReplyDeleteAny of you skinny folks ever considered that you might have had trouble gaining when you were a teen due to constitutional growth delays?
ReplyDeleteIt runs in my family. We mature extremely slowly and live very long. Some were very short a long time, others very thin for a long time. Not everyone of us had it, but it is not like you can override it with any kind of diet or exercise.
Inspiring progress! 25 pounds of muscle in 8 months is mighty impressive. I'm only slightly younger and trying to gain muscle too but have only managed about 4 pounds in a year. Have you been taking any creatine? I'm wondering whether to or not.
ReplyDeleteLike others have already said, this guy is a con man. It's impossible for someone who is already reasonably fit to put on 34 pounds of muscle in a month without steroids/HGH, and no mean achievement even with them. Bodybuilding is the crookedest game in the world.
ReplyDeleteAs one commenter noted, Ferris and Casey were resetting their musculature to previously held gains.
ReplyDeleteMcgruff's methods are definitely a great fit for the over fifty lifter.
You are lucky that your family left Wisconsin before you arrived on the planet. My Wisconsin childhood predisposed me to gain weight as the milk, cheese, organ meats, and lots of Deutsche Kuchen all combined to create fat cells that constantly wish to revive.
ReplyDeleteI might read Ferris's book as I did a weight loss routine two years ago and lost eighty pounds of avoirdupois of the lipid kind, but sadly have regained thirty, though I now do LA Fitness for one hour on the elliptical bike three times a week, so the waist is only two inches bulgier than before I had a recent eye illness---glaucoma---which is hereditary in my Mom's genes. Three operations and lots of steroid prednisone wrecked my body and I'm only now coming out the other end of the tunnel.
So I have a [lame] excuse.
p.s. Started taking NAC two years back after your recommendation and now find that it's touted as great for both lungs and liver. Plus body-building.
From Geek to Freak: How I Gained 34 lbs. of Muscle in 4 Weeks
ReplyDeleteGeezus...
Hey, Dennis, here are some other books you might enjoy:
The World's Greatest Wealth Builder -- Carlton Sheets
Wall Street Money Machine -- Wade Cook
Look, I'm going to speak to you very acerbically -- 'cos I like ya.
You say, Unfortunately, I've only the vaguest idea about my caloric intake.
Don't worry. That's far from the only thing you've the vaguest idea about.
But let's just consider caloric intake for a moment. Here we have Mangan planning a cross-country voyage and yet by his own admission he only has the faintest idea of whether he has enough fuel to make it. Don't you think that's a rather glaring oversight, Dennis? I mean, it's not exactly an overwhelmingly convoluted calculation. If you can't work out something that simple I don't how you could be any position to declare
So, that brings my 8-month total weight gain to 26 pounds, from 135 to 161 pounds, and I'm still wearing the same waist size as before.
I'll start by saying that, given my solid eight years at this (dabbled for five before that) -- compared to your eight months -- your claim is very difficult to believe.
How do you know it's all muscle? Did you calculate your body fat percentage at Day 0 and again after six months and thereby determined what proportion was lean gain and what proportion fat?
Even if you did that, and even if what you say is accurate, ie you really did pack on 20lb muscle, which took your bodyweight to 155lb, the idea that you'd stack on another 30lb of *muscle* in one month is simply ludicrous -- as you'll see in a moment.
Body by Science could be subtitled "Everything You Know About Exercise Is Wrong", and one of the main takeaway points from this book is the amount of rest one needs between workouts, which is far greater than current wisdom has it.
Lol, taken by the oldest line in sales.
Multiple-day breaks between workouts has actually been known (and practised) for a long time before Tim Ferris said anything about. Ferris is hardly overturning the "current wisdom."
For your own good, please peruse the work of Casey Butt, who, unlike some, isn't trying to sell you anything. (At least he wasn't when he compiled the body of work linked to; these days, who knows?)
Pay close attention to the subsection directly linked. Enter your own figures and you'll quickly see that had you packed on another 30lb of muscle in one month you would have been close to, at, or exceeding your genetic peak. That peak is one typically reached only by a lifetime of dedication. How likely do you think it is you would have reached it in only a month?
Silver, I've re-read your post now and I'm convinced that you've either gotten Mangan's claims mixed up with Ferriss's, or you're just teasing Mangan and the rest of us for even entertaining Ferriss's claims. As far as I can tell, no one has uncritically accepted zillion-pounds-of-muscle-in-a-half-hour claims.
ReplyDeleteMangan reported a six pound gain (after an eight-month period in which he gained less than a pound a week), noted that he hadn't measured his body fat, and noted his unchanging waist size as a proxy. (I gather that height-to-waist ratio is a much better measure of health than *blecch* BMI, probably why Dennis was paying attention to it.)
I don't think Dennis has made any really outlandish claims here. I learned a fair amount from this thread (and, for better or worse, I still trust the personal account of a right-wing generalist in preference to that of a random mass-media figure no matter how much he is touted as an expert). Granted, this isn't a subject I'm directly interested in, since I don't particularly want to gain weight. I highly doubt I need to consume more butterfat, for that matter.
B Lode: Thanks, I wouldn't pay too much attention to Silver, he's a troll. He obviously didn't read my post very closely: I never claimed that every pound I gained was muscle, but I most certainly did gain 26 pounds in 8 months, and lot of it *was* muscle; the scale doesn't lie, and the amount of weight I'm lifting has dramatically increased. For instance, I can now deadlift 200 pounds, admittedly not that much in the world of bodybuilding, but probably double what I started with. I'm sure Silver knows nothing about BCAAs, which drastically increase muscle protein synthesis.
ReplyDeleteAs to whether Tim Ferriss is lying, I don't know. He's got some photos and says that his measurements were done independently, some of them by an exercise physiologist. AFAIK, Viator's gain is real enough.
I doubt Ferriss is out-and-out lying, it's not his style. Omissions of relevant facts, stretching of the truth, yes. Lying, probably not.
ReplyDeleteConsider this claim in his article:
"For the ladies not interested in becoming the Hulk, if you follow a “slow-carb” diet and reduce rest periods to 30 seconds between exercises, this exact workout protocol can help you lose 10-20 pounds of fat in the same 28-day time span."
If someone had told me one could lose 20 lbs of fat in one month, I wouldn't have believed it before starting a version of the "slow-carb" diet myself, and seeing the effects.
http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/4-hour-body.htm
ReplyDeleteCheck out that link. Ferriss reportedly on roids. Have to be sceptical of anyone who is selling a book. Like you said he is a bestselling author - note that he isn't the number 1 bodybuilding trainer with other people's results that he can show off.
If you really did gain 26 pounds in under a year that is by no means a 'Relative failure'.