“[W]e will continue and intensify our work with French museums and educators to reform the history curriculum taught in French schools, so that it takes into account the role and perspectives of minorities in French history.” [2]State Department apparatchiks will now not only teach the French about the proper understanding of their own history, but also look like they're actively promoting the Islamisation and Africanisation of France. That's pretty close to what the government and its media enablers already promote here, so why not let France have the best America has to offer?
We will create or support training and exchange programs that teach the enduring value of broad inclusion to schools, civil society groups, bloggers, political advisors, and local politicians.
“Finally, a Minority Working Group will integrate the discourse, actions, and analysis of relevant sections and agencies in the Embassy. This group, working in tandem with the Youth Outreach Initiative, will identify and target influential leaders and groups among our primary audiences. It will also evaluate our impact over the course of the year, by examining both tangible and intangible indicators of success. Tangible changes include a measurable increase in the number of minorities leading and participating in public and private organizations, including elite educational institutions; growth in the number of constructive efforts by minority leaders to organize political support both within and beyond their own minority communities; new, proactive policies to enhance social inclusion adopted by non-minority political leaders; expansion of inter-communal and inter-faith exchanges at the local level; decrease in popular support for xenophobic political parties and platforms.
We have met the enemy, and he isn't us, but he's very closely related.
NYT: Black? White? Asian? More Young Americans Choose All of the Above
ReplyDeleteCurious readers might want to google the byline -- Susan Saulny.
From the comments in the NYT link:
ReplyDeleteThe census should not even include a question about race, which is a spurious concept.
And:
A wise person once said: "Race is a illusion. But racism is real."
Until we acknowledge this truth, we will continue to torment ourselves with differences based on preconceived prejudices rather than scientific fact.
Etc -- you can find more. (And perhaps that "wise person" said an illusion, not "a illusion".)
Both comments are highly rated, so it appears the prevailing PC propaganda about race is very effective.
It's getting very difficult not to foresee a very hard landing for America.
Watch V for Vendetta with a critical eye ...
ReplyDeleteThere are quite a few sops to the PC Zeitgeist, but I can not help wondering if the brothers Wachowski intended it to be so ambiguous?
While it clearly mentions "conservatives" as being the genesis of the current situation in England, it seems clear that the mechanisms were what the communists used and indeed what the current MSM uses all the time ...
Perhaps the spirit that will prevail against the global elites is different that the movie portrays :-)
The goal of the US government is to advance "transnational progressivism" both domestically and abroad.
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnational_progressivism
"Transnational progressivism is a term coined by Hudson Institute Fellow John Fonte in 2001 to describe an ideology that endorses a concept of postnational global citizenship and promotes the authority of international institutions over the sovereignty of individual nation-states."
To pursue this goal it has to undermine national sovereignties, identities, cultures, etc.
It's good to see D. back in harness; his blogs had languished for while.
ReplyDeleteThe leaked document is, of course, sickening and infuriating, but I'm sure nobody here is surprised to see it.
This strategy is necessary because French institutions have not proven themselves flexible enough to adjust to the country's increasingly heterodox demography...
The French media remains overwhelmingly white...
While reinforcing mutual trust and understanding, we seek to help France's next generation improve their capacity to lead in their communities, while also conveying the importance of transcending the bounds of their own communities in order to make a broader, national impact.
Ah yes, "national impact": just what your average Frenchman wants for his native culture and homeland.
"Impact in T minus fifteen... T minus ten..."
The memorandum is worth reading in full.
I think you people are misreading this.
ReplyDeleteThe State Department is actually sabotaging the French, but could hardly come out and say so, could they?
Disgusting.
ReplyDeleteAmerica is the seat of evil. Just how after WWI, President Woodrow Wilson demanded the abolition of the monarchies and principalities of Germany and the Habsburg monarchy. It is the seat of revolution. The American revolution spurred on the French revolution.
When the Commies did this crap to us back in the 40's and 50's, we held hearings and fired people, and rightly so. Now we're doing it to the French.
ReplyDeleteA "House of Deputies Committee on Un-French Activities" anyone?...
Tschafer
If Europe is not already an unrevivable corpse, teeming with its happy-go-lucky consumer-microbes, then, with enemies such as the United States of America, the European Union, and all its various local-traitorous regimes, it can hardly hope to become anything else. Still, there is that little hope. Dostoevsky might turn out to be right.
ReplyDeleteI remember being shocked reading Richard Lynn's explanation of the Paris riots (that the rioters had low iqs & therefore became frustrated at their inability to fit into French society). I now think he was largely correct.
ReplyDeleteOf course if you mention the problems in the outer suburbs of Paris in online discussions, people invariably say the French have excluded these people and are responsible for their problems by discriminating against them. With that mainstream explanation, I suppose it makes sense they are trying to introduce these outreach programmes. Of course they won't work and will just require more positive discrimination.
Where is America's "Minority Engagement Strategy" for Israel?
ReplyDeleteI remember being shocked reading Richard Lynn's explanation of the Paris riots (that the rioters had low iqs & therefore became frustrated at their inability to fit into French society). I now think he was largely correct.
ReplyDeleteLothrop Stoddard worked through all of this in his 1922 effort The Revolt Against Civilization, though you'd best not be caught reading it.
We are also quite concerned about "empowering Britain's Musselmen.
ReplyDelete"We are currently building a network of Muslim civic
activists to enhance the collective skills of individuals and
groups involved in counter-radicalization and to encourage
collaborative initiatives. The network will include
different kinds of activists * youth workers, civil rights
organizations, business entrepreneurs, interfaith workers,
and former extremists, and others * who share an interest in
counter-radicalization but frequently operate in different
spheres of activity, limiting opportunities to learn from one
another, share expertise and resources, and collaborate."
"(C) The arts: We use elements of new media, culture, and
the arts to connect with a younger audience and rising Muslim
artists, using the arts as a platform to demonstrate the rich
diversity of Muslim life in America. The arts are also an
important way to reach potentially hostile audiences.
Programs include film screenings (Islam in America,
DeenTight, New Muslim Cool), support for the annual Ramadan
Festival of arts, and programs with American Muslim writers,
artists, and musicians."
Yes, build a network of aggrieved Muslims, including former terrorists. Make Islamic nationalism fashionable. Great plan, Stan!
http://213.251.145.96/cable/2010/02/10LONDON268.html
Why don't they create a muslim community group focused on teaching their kids a freakin' work ethic?!
ReplyDeleteRegardless of your beliefs about race and immigration, has anyone stopped to considered that maybe the U.S. government has no business telling what people in their own country teach their kids?
ReplyDeleteI would consider this cable to be highly offensive if I were French, even if I believed the the multi-culti stuff. Who the f**k is it for a foreign country's government to tell French people how to run their own school system.
I think you people are misreading this.
ReplyDeleteThe State Department is actually sabotaging the French, but could hardly come out and say so, could they?
And you think that we should applaud?
It seems that the Cold War is over ... and the communists won after all.
Most conservatives here in America are unaware of the extent that the US government has pushed multiculturalism on Europe.
ReplyDeleteThe french should declare our ambassador and any of our embassy staff who are behind this persona non grata. And we should do the same to those countries who similarly interfere in our affairs, like Mexico and Saudi Arabia.
ReplyDeleteAs someone said, sickening, but not surprising.
ReplyDeleteAmerica in its current multi-cult incarnation is the biggest threat to the survival of the European sovereign, free nation-states based on ethnicity. The European Union is just an avatar and an imitation of the American Big Brother, a partner and an ally which America can understand and deal with on familiar terms.
Since the USA has brought its troops in Europe by the end of WWII, Europe is an occupied territory whose ideology is multicultural globalism. If there's any chance in the world for nations with a white majority to survive, the first condition is the end of American hegemony. It's not only beneficial to Europe, it's equally beneficial to white Americans. As long as the Multicultural Empire in its current incarnation remains the first military power of the world, the social engineering designed to bring us into oblivion will continue. Even China would be more merciful with peoples of European stock than the diversity-fanatics who form the American elite - all of them, "right" and left, from Howard Zinn to Glenn Beck.
I hope that at some point the American states with a WASP majority will secede from the Union and America will lose its first role on the world scene. It's the only hope we have to show some signs of recovery after 6 decades of painful, humiliating agony.
The root problem here is probably that the US Embassy is rather nicely located in central Paris, and not out in a Banlieue. So a move might help. Then again maybe not.
ReplyDeleteJust finished re-reading Graham Robb's The Discovery of France, which he wrote after 20,000 miles on bicycle throughout that wonderful pays. I lived in Lyon for two years and cycled up into the hills around Grenoble and elsewhere. What Robb writes about is what I discovered... the French are completely intolerant of minorities or an aberrant behavior that doesn't fit into the established pattern. C'n'est pas normal is the usual way French ascribe something wrong happening. French Cartesian mindsets are cages of iron above their necks.
ReplyDeleteOnce you discover how to "fit in" by speaking the language well enough and do their little curtsy-type gestures with body language that is 'French,' you are accepted. Robb's book describes how the 'normalization' of France occurred after the French Revolution injected sheer terror into everyone's everyday lives with the same PC rigidity that we lucky Americans have experienced only very slightly.
"We use elements of new media, culture, and the arts to connect with a younger audience and rising Muslim artists, using the arts as a platform to demonstrate the rich diversity of Muslim life in America."
ReplyDeleteIf, say, the Chinese government were trying to expose American Muslims (few though they may be) to the pleasures and joys of a propagandised Muslim life in China, building loyalty to the idea of being a Muslim in a Chinese nation, I wonder what Americans would suppose to be their motivation for doing so...
I would consider this cable to be highly offensive if I were French, even if I believed the the multi-culti stuff. Who the f**k is it for a foreign country's government to tell French people how to run their own school system.
While I agree with this point, I'd think multi-cult people (not too many in France - they're more melting pot, when they're friendly inclined to minorities) might have trouble saying this - multi-cultists have serious issues with the idea of even so much as tacitly supporting their own national sovereignty and complaining about "foreign governments" (talking about foreign infiltration - that's.... so... racist!?).
the only acceptable angle tends to be bitching about "American Imperialism", which is rather dissonant here, since the basis of their logic on "American Imperialism" is that exists to specifically disempower people of non-European racial groups. though I'm sure they'd eventually be able to confabulate some logic about how the American government was trying to sabotage righteous minority action, somehow.
We have met the enemy, and he isn't us, BUT WE@RE PAYING HIS F**KING SALARY.
ReplyDeleteThis is an act of war. France should recognize it as such, and act accordingly.
ReplyDeleteIn the 1930's people used to say that a Communist was just a liberal in a hurry. It occurs to me that a French revolutionary may simply be an American revolutionary in a hurry. It now appears that when it comes to the pursuit of "egalitarian ideals" France is the hare and the United States is the tortoise.
ReplyDeleteNew slogan: Life, liberty, equality, fraternity and the pursuit of happiness (and diversity).
This raises the following question: Is the United States of America currently the Anti-White Empire, dedicated to the dispossession and destruction of people of European origins worldwide? I fear the answer to that question is yes. As much as I loathe the European Union, the EU is secondary to the US in importance.
ReplyDeleteBloomberg doing a little outreach of his own
ReplyDeletePerhaps he should be more worried about dangerous financial instruments in New York than the possibility that a few more guns will reach NY and blow away some low-life hood.
Sounds like a diversion to me.
The real question should be why a bunch of supposedly patriotic Americans on Mangan's blog are so concerned with what's going on in Europe.
ReplyDeleteI think that some people will ultimately have to decide where their real loyalties lie, with the US or with the white race?
Mencius Moldbug vindicated!!
ReplyDeleteThe real question...
ReplyDeleteTroll alert!
YS: Your question is naive in the extreme.
Too much shouldn't be made of this. The tone of the report clearly shows that it is one of those rote responses to some PC program that would get in any modern business or university throughout the Western World. You know - "As head of the (History Department-Swim Team-Sales Staff) at this (University, Corporation, Organization) I will promote the policies of diversity our (University, Corporation, Organization) believes in in the coming year by blah, blah, blah." It certainly shows the fanatical commitment to Diversity (white-hating racism) the elite have in this country, but it is a trivial indicator compared to, say, the elite, including the French elite, colonizing their countries with foreigners, or turning a blind eye to racist rape and murder aimed at the natives.
ReplyDeleteIs it Dennis? A supposedly patriotic Chinese would hardly be considered patriotic if he obsessed over the future of Japan. Likewise, a supposedly patriotic German would hardly be considered patriotic if he obsessed over the future of Spain or Portugal. The latter point hits rather close to home for the millions of Germans who are tired of bailing out their deadbeat counterparts in Southern Europe.
ReplyDeleteNow explain to me how a supposedly patriotic American can obsess tirelessly over the fate of another continent? Millions of Americans are without jobs today. The economy is still in the process of recovery. I see plenty of domestic issues that a true patriot could be concerned about.
Look, we need a litmus test for determining one's loyalty to the United States. And one thing's for sure. Loyalty to the US isn't the same thing as loyalty to the white race. Sooner or later, certain people will have to come to grips and be honest with themselves about where their loyalties truly lie. A white nationalist is no different from a black separatist. Both eschew loyalty to the United States as a proposition nation in favor of a narrower racial identification.
YS: Who says that I (we) am (are) patriotic? I doubt if too many here are are patriotic in the old "my country right or wrong" sense. A nearly alien elite controls the nation, so why should I wish it well? You also overlook the fact that, according to the Wikileaks documents, it is our own government, controlled by an alien elite, that is attempting to subvert other white nations.
ReplyDeleteI can think of several reasons why we should be concerned about what's going on in Europe.
1. Most of us here (this blog) trace our ancestry to Europe. Chinese don't trace theirs to Japan or anywhere else. We're not all deracinated.
2. There's a war against whites everywhere, so the fight of European ethnopatriots is our fight (mine anyway).
3. We're next.
PS: By "alien elite", I don't mean "Jewish", though there's an element of that. What I mean is a leadership whose goals and ambitions are not only not shared by us, but at odds with our own.
ReplyDeleteI think that some people will ultimately have to decide where their real loyalties lie, with the US or with the white race?
During the USSR years many Russian patriots, such as Solzhenitsyn, remained loyal to the Russian nation but an opponent of the state. As the state called the USA is an enemy of the historical American nation (and to the nations of Europe and beyond) it doesn't make sense for real Americans to be loyal to it.
The USA sprung from Europe. Americans are part of European diaspora. Such Americans should be as concerned about Europe as Chinese in Canada and Indonesia are about China.
A supposedly patriotic Chinese would hardly be considered patriotic if he obsessed over the future of Japan
ReplyDeleteI've watched Chinese diaspora news programmes in the West - Canada and the USA to be precise. Almost every story is about China or overseas Chinese communities. Now it is not news to me that these Chinese are not patriotic Canadians and Americans but it is interesting to me that you agree.
" why a bunch of supposedly patriotic Americans on Mangan's blog"
ReplyDeleteGenerally speaking, the State Department is not the friend or the servant of anybody posting here. Anybody who has reason to oppose it is a potential ally.
For myself, I have dual citizenship, and have spent the past 10 years adjusting to the idea that the USA as incarnated by the government in DC does not deserve my loyalty.
France is a country populated largely by people to whom I am ethnically kin, whose attitudes and behaviors are instinctively recognizeable and understandable to me (and that's not just theory, I have felt a sense of fitting in there that I have never really had in the States, for good or ill). The portion of the USA for which I could say something similar is approaching half and dropping - and even so, the white portion is such a much more random mix of different peoples of differing natures, and the original American stock has become a much-diluted minority.
For me not to care about this - _that_ would be treason.
dave in boca: I think a better way of putting it is "ca ne se fait pas" ("it is not done").
ReplyDeleteChildren learn this quickly. Why do this, and not do that? Well, you just DON'T. Stop asking.
I see this as a cultural self-confidence that is sorely lacking in Anglo countries right now. "What do you mean, you don't eat pork? YES YOU DO. What do you mean, you want to wear this desert poncho thing? NO YOU DON'T. This is America. That is just how we do things, and you will too, if you want to live here without having everyone staring at you sidelong and making audible comments from behind you." That sort of pressure might short-circuit a lot of trouble. Too much liberty verges into libertinism, and is self-destructive.
Loyalty to the US isn't the same thing as loyalty to the white race. Sooner or later, certain people will have to come to grips and be honest with themselves about where their loyalties truly lie.
ReplyDeleteAs Dennis noticed, your (pseudo)reasoning is naive to the extreme. Is also shows a lack of knowledge and empathy regarding European and American history, culture and traditions.
America didn't appear in a vacuum, it was the creation of European colonists who brought their ideals, past, worldview and contradictions from the Old Continent to the New World. The institutions that gave America its characteristics - from the Republic to the Constitution - are inventions of the European man; institutions which can be traced back to the ancient Greeks and Romans. Thus we are linked with a cultural umbilical cord which crosses and permeates thousands of years of history (not mentioning the genetic similarities between us).
America was not meant to be a proposition nation. For better and worse, it is one of the many incarnations of the cultural genius of the European Man.
David Cameron's disingenuous defence of Turkey
ReplyDelete" I wrote in June about American supporters of Turkish EU membership, and how they often seemed to assume that it would not be that big a deal. This, I wrote, often seemed to be linked to a rather condescending view that European countries should hurry up and form a federal union, pronto, if they wished to count on the world stage. This, I felt, risked the accusation that Americans are rather casual about other people's sovereignty.
And Britain? Well, in Germany, for example, it is a big deal that if Turkey did achieve membership in 2025, say, it is projected to have a larger population than any other EU country. That would give Turkey, overnight, the largest delegation of members of the European Parliament. That profoundly shocks Germans, who take the EP rather seriously. In Britain, many people could not care less if a delegation of chimpanzees were elected to the Strasbourg assembly.
In France, for example, it is a source of profound angst that Turkey is full of farmers. How on earth could the Common Agricultural Policy survive the cost of subsidising tens of millions of Turks, "
YS said, The real question should be why a bunch of supposedly patriotic Americans on Mangan's blog are so concerned with what's going on in Europe.
ReplyDeleteOr maybe the real question is, why is the American government, whose purpose is to serve the American people, so concerned with what's going on in Europe that it is attempting to influence the diversity policies of those nations.
I'm surprised they haven't rolled out this exhibit for the locals :)
ReplyDeletehttp://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/31/2024131/exhibit-prompts-discussion-is.html
Now explain to me how a supposedly patriotic American can obsess tirelessly over the fate of another continent?
ReplyDeleteWe see from the documents that our government is obsessed tirelessly with the fate of Europe. As patriotic Americans, we have both the right and duty to discuss (or if you prefer, obsess over) what the government does in our name.
A supposedly patriotic Chinese would hardly be considered patriotic if he obsessed over the future of Japan.
As it happens, in 2005 millions of Chinese flew into a rage over the content of a Japanese history textbook. All those Chinese cared enough about the future of Japan to vandalize Japanese property in China and beat up any Japanese they could get their hands on. All those Chinese were obsessed enough with the future of Japan to make their opinions known, with public displays of violence, about what Japanese schools should teach Japanese students. I guess they must not have been truly patriotic Chinese, though, according to you.
Note the contrast: we here want our government to stop telling the French government what to put in their textbooks, but we are somehow not patriotic for doing so. Those Chinese protesters wanted to make the Japanese government do something, i.e., take positive action to put the desired Chinese perspective in Japanese textbooks. I feel sure Yan Shen is going to backpedal on his claim that these Chinese were "hardly patriotic" for doing so...
YanShen said, "The real question should be why a bunch of supposedly patriotic Americans on Mangan's blog are so concerned with what's going on in Europe.
ReplyDeleteI think that some people will ultimately have to decide where their real loyalties lie, with the US or with the white race?"
Yan, so where do YOUR "real loyalties" lie?
Talk about "divide & conquer" style disingenuity!
Here's one for you Yan ...
"An overseas Cantonese and a Sichuanese in Sichuan have a problem. They're both Yellow Nationalists, but they need to finally decide where their real loyalties lie. Yellow people wherever they are must "finally decide" where their "real loyalties" lie."
That has a nice "final solution" type ring to it, neh?
"YS: Who says that I (we) am (are) patriotic? I doubt if too many here are are patriotic in the old "my country right or wrong" sense. A nearly alien elite controls the nation, so why should I wish it well? You also overlook the fact that, according to the Wikileaks documents, it is our own government, controlled by an alien elite, that is attempting to subvert other white nations."
ReplyDeleteWell stated. This sums up my thinking on the matter. The nation is run by a cartel of off-shore banks. We have a managerial elite that may have been born here, but they certainly don't represent me or anybody I know.
@YS
LOL at "patriotic American." Where do you think you are Free Republic.com? Your trolling efforts have been getting pretty weak as of late.
Armance: America didn't appear in a vacuum, it was the creation of European colonists who brought their ideals, past, worldview and contradictions from the Old Continent to the New World. The institutions that gave America its characteristics - from the Republic to the Constitution - are inventions of the European man[...]
ReplyDeleteOh, I'm sure in his heart he knows that, so we shouldn't be so hard on YS's "naïve pseudo-reasoning". What it really represents is an unconscious cri de cœur for Europeans to remain loyal and maintain the "nation", because he knows, even if he won't admit it to himself, that when the U.S. ceases to deserve the loyalty of the conscious heirs of the millenia-old civilization of the West, it'll be just another shabby globalist's ant-hill, and his ancestors may as well have just stayed home.
That this poignant plea is attached to the wholly irrational belief that it is possible to harangue, hector, and insult people into devoting themselves to something that doesn't serve their own interests, is amusing but hardly unusual. The clowns and squalid ideologues behind the leaked documents discussed here are of that ilk. I think we're going to be hearing a lot more of that sort of thing, at ever-increasing volume, in the near future, all over the West.
I don't think Yan Shen is Chinese. I think he's a white American leftist, probably quite young, who thinks "white nationalists are evil because they never admit Asians are smarter", and since, because he's smarter, it makes sense to troll as an Asian. There have just been too many errors about Asian cultures (Chinese people always appear polite, therefore they always are polite, etc.)
ReplyDelete"Yan Shen said...
ReplyDeleteThe real question should be why a bunch of supposedly patriotic Americans on Mangan's blog are so concerned with what's going on in Europe."
"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
A patriotic american once said that - it would not surprise me if you do not know which one, given that you probably got a distorted picture of american history courtesy of your insipid public school education. But the sentiment expressed in that quote explains why we are concerned with the fate of Europe - because we derive from Europe and our fates are intertwined.
By the way, we've already determined where YOUR loyalties lie - and they are not with us or our country. So stop pretending to give us advice, because we really don't care what you have to say.
The real question should be why a bunch of supposedly patriotic Americans on Mangan's blog are so concerned with what's going on in Europe.
ReplyDeleteFrance is a vast repository of our genetic structures. Our iife continues, in part, through the French.
Kikiguy posted the following link:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/31/2024131/exhibit-prompts-discussion-is.html
From the article:
Can genetic material tell you a person's race?
That's one of the questions visitors will be asked as they move through "Race," an exhibit opening Saturday at Discovery Place.
Most will get it wrong - genetics can't show the difference.
In August, the same newspaper ran an article about how the city's mayor learned that he was descended from Nigeria's Fulani people ... by taking a DNA test.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/08/06/1604902/foxx-learns-his-african-roots.html
Dennis,
ReplyDeletePew has a study out that is claiming muslims won't become a majority despite doubling in absolute numbers worldwide in only 40 years. Please take a look.
http://pewforum.org/The-Future-of-the-Global-Muslim-Population.aspx
http://pewforum.org/future-of-the-global-muslim-population-regional-europe.aspx
Thanks
@Yan Shen
ReplyDeleteSo who are you loyal to then, your father or your mother? In your universe one can have only one "true loyalty", so which is it? In your case, I'm betting on your mother.
Wishful thinking by the American Thinker about The Story of the Egyptian Revolution.
ReplyDeleteEg:
Contrary to pundits, it turns out that the Egyptian regime was neither stable nor secure. The lack of its stability is not a reflection of its weakness or lack of a resolve to oppress. It is a reflection of its inherent contradiction to the natural desire of men to enjoy their basic freedoms.
And what exactly are these basic freedoms? The freedom to forcibly convert non-Muslims to Islam on pain of death? How many Muslims in Egypt don't actually care about that? The freedom to kill apostates?
Most conservatives here in America are unaware of the extent that the US government has pushed multiculturalism on Europe.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if this heavy-handed intrusion by U.S. fanatics is even necessary. It seems to me that Europeans have passively followed the lead of the U.S., and have become True Believers in just about every form of social engineering -- gathering in the coloreds, the women, the homosexuals. I don't think the French need a guidebook. More than enough of them believe in America as a place of sacred progress that only the backward would ignore.
It occurs to me that a French revolutionary may simply be an American revolutionary in a hurry. It now appears that when it comes to the pursuit of "egalitarian ideals" France is the hare and the United States is the tortoise.
Very well put.
What Robb writes about is what I discovered... the French are completely intolerant of minorities or an aberrant behavior that doesn't fit into the established pattern.
Yes, remember the days when France was mocked for its extreme chauvinism -- otherwise translated as "intolerance?"
Likewise, a supposedly patriotic German would hardly be considered patriotic if he obsessed over the future of Spain or Portugal.
ReplyDeleteI would think a patriotic German would worry very much given the close proximity of these countries to Germany. It's something to worry about, if the natives of Spain and Portugal were eagerly submitting to the whims and preferences of, say, alien Muslims, and if these aliens were to achieve political power in these countries. Such people will not live within the confines of a foreign legal system for long. Once settled, members of this alien civilization will forcefully promote their own sharia laws and customs. I would consider this something to worry about, no matter which European country you happen to live in. From Spain, to France, to Germany. Hop, skip, jump.
And how does your example of Chinese and Japan work?
Yan先生你还是回去吧。
ReplyDelete你成心天天来这里挨骂，不累吗？
I've been pretty moved by the degree to which the anti-Islamists in a given country care about the fate of kuffār in other countries. Americans care about Geert Wilders, Australians care about Danish cartoonists, Britons care about the Swedish Democrats. Etc.
ReplyDeleteIt will be entertaining to see how many adolescents pop up, here and there, to demand that the worldwide anti-Islamists stop caring about other countries, in order to prove their patriotism. Sometimes I think it's not patriotism, but chattering about patriotism that is the last refuge of a scoundrel (or, in this case, a partly-educated teenager).
"Yan Shen said...
ReplyDeleteLikewise, a supposedly patriotic German would hardly be considered patriotic if he obsessed over the future of Spain or Portugal."
But of course. What was this German thinking:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel
Why should he be so exercised about a little Kerfuffle in Spain?
Or this German:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Adenauer
Why on earth was he so concerned about doings in the Soviet Union? - that big fluffy teddy-bear of a country to the east.
Clearly, these men had too much time on thier hands. If only they could have availed themselves of Yan Shen's sage advice.
I am patriotic in the sense that I am loyal to those in my nation who are loyal to me and to my nation, whatever our other disagreements.
ReplyDeleteThe U.S. government is actively hostile to me and my people (my nation) and to the civilization our ancestors built and which we try to maintain and grow. It is an outlaw government, crooked from top to bottom in every way imaginable. I therefore do not have any patriotic obligations to it or feelings toward it.
Kato, Kato, Kato. That ship has sailed, my little yellow friend. You had your chance to work the patriotic American angle, and you blew it. Totally. You went AWOL for 2 weeks. It's like that pair of nunchuks you keep using, even though the links rusted away long ago.
ReplyDeleteI expect a challenge from you, Kato. Try hiding in a vase wearing one of those conical hats.
@Rollory
ReplyDeleteYes, "ca ne se fait pas" is a bit more formal and didactic in an apodictic sense. "C'n'est pas normal" is in a very critical mode used in street conversation everywhere in Lyon and big cities in France to indicate eccentric and somewhat bizarre behavior, albeit in areas which Americans would think are rather harshly judgmental. Like the way they "prune" many of their plane trees, cut back so far that they're practically metaphorically emasculated.
"Minority Engagement Strategy" in practice:
ReplyDeletethe US ambassador to France organizes events in immigrants-filled parts of Paris with popular american musicians and actors
Black Eyed Peas (a couple of days ago)
http://www.fdesouche.com/222217-la-surprise-de-will-i-am-black-eyed-peas-a-paris
quote:
"The world renowned music star was escorted by the American ambassador Charles Rivkin"
Samuel L. Jackson
http://www.minnpost.com/worldcsm/2011/02/18/25926/in_france_us_advocacy_for_muslim_rights_raises_more_than_a_few_hackles
quote:
"Last year, Rivkin arranged for Hollywood superstar Samuel L. Jackson to visit impoverished teenagers in Bondy, an immigrant suburb just north of Paris."
I used to think that people complaining about hollywood cultural imperialism were just a bunch of jealous whiners (I don't like french movies). This is something else. The US Government is at war against all nations.