In an unguarded moment, Tim Wise
reveals what he really thinks of whites. It's not about helping minorities, or diminishing fictional "white privilege"; no, this is pure hate.
For all y’all rich folks, enjoy that champagne, or whatever fancy ass Scotch you drink.
And for y’all a bit lower on the economic scale, enjoy your Pabst Blue Ribbon, or whatever shitty ass beer you favor.
Whatever the case, and whatever your economic station, know this…
You need to drink up.
And quickly.
And heavily.
Because your time is limited.
Real damned limited.
So party while you can, but mind the increasingly loud clock ticking away in the corners of your consciousness.
The clock that reminds you how little time you and yours have left.
Not much more now.
Wise gloats at the extinction of white America, exults in the rise of the non-white fraction of the population and the decline of the white. He accuses present-day whites of being of the same mind as those who wanted to keep blacks enslaved and keep children working "mines and factories". He revels in our demographic decline.
And in the pantheon of American history, old white people have pretty much always been the bad guys, the keepers of the hegemonic and reactionary flame, the folks unwilling to share the category of American with others on equal terms.
Fine, keep it up. It doesn't matter.
Because you’re on the endangered list.
And unlike, say, the bald eagle or some exotic species of muskrat, you are not worth saving.
In forty years or so, maybe fewer, there won’t be any more white people around who actually remember that Leave it to Beaver, Father Knows Best, Opie-Taylor-Down-at-the-Fishing Hole cornpone bullshit that you hold so near and dear to your heart.
There won’t be any more white folks around who think the 1950s were the good old days, because there won’t be any more white folks around who actually remember them, and so therefore, we’ll be able to teach about them accurately and honestly, without hurting your precious feelings, or those of the so-called “greatest generation” -- a bunch whose white members were by and large a gaggle of miscreants who helped save the world from fascism only to return home and oppose the ending of it here, by doing nothing to lift a finger on behalf of the civil rights struggle.
So to hell with you and all who revere you.
By then, half the country will be black or brown. And there is nothing you can do about it. [...]
Do you hear it?
The sound of your empire dying? Your nation, as you knew it, ending, permanently?
Because I do, and the sound of its demise is beautiful. [Emphasis added.]
You need to
read the whole thing to get the flavor of what people like Tim Wise feel and want, which is our destruction. Wise isn't talking about any sort of fringe, he's talking about
all whites. He hates us.
And to add to the richness of it all . . . Tim Wise is white.
ReplyDeleteAs Homer Simpson says, Whaddaya gonna do?"
Peruse the comments as well -- more of the same. Although the commenters are probably mostly white. Maybe even the type who often watch Jon Stewart, or would even have attended his rally -- whatever it was about -- if it didn't mean traveling so far.
ReplyDeleteThis is great, and I mean that. As long as alienist psychopaths like Wise kept their real views undercover, and pretended that they only wanted "fairness" or "equality", their little plan of cultural genocide could proceed apace, without setting off alarm bells. But now, like the Soviets and Nazis in their final days, they are stripping off the mask, and revealing the naked nihilism, racism, psychopathy, and hatred that lies underneath. And ironically, it's this self-unmasking, more than anything else, that is going to prevent the demise of America from happening, as more and more ordinary Americans wake up to what the left has in store for us. This most recent election was only the beginning.
ReplyDeleteSo, say it louder, Tim. Say it loud and proud. Put down the men who defeated fascism and communism. Trash ordinary, law abiding Americans. Slime the people who made our country what it is, and who have deferred to scum like you for so long, out of their own inherent decency. Spew your venom in an orgy of self-hatred and ahistorical bulls**t. Do it at top volume, so that everyone can hear what you and your kind really believe. And then we'll see what the future holds, and for who. I have a feeling you're not going to like it...
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Wise has some serious psychological issues. To be so filled with hatred for a people based on their race, and to especially hate older people of that race...to glory at the thought of their destruction...he is a frightening character. And the fact that it is his own race that he hates so much is even sicker.
ReplyDeleteWhat does he think is going to happen to whites like him if whites become a minority? Has he paid any attention to the fates of whites in South Africa? To the way that leading white liberals in South Africa - the Tim Wises of the apartheid era - are abandoning the country as unlivable, emmigrating to other nations that are still white-controlled?
Maybe he is so filled with hatred for white America that he would get satisfaction from his own subjugation and annihiliation.
His issues are not political. They're psychological. They guy is off his nut and if Kos has any sense he will take that stuff off the site before it spreads around.
White moderates and well-meaning liberals need to see this kind of stuff - see the kind of hate that people on left have for whites, so they can get a sense of the kind of hatred simmering out there towards us. It makes it all the more important that we take action to preserve ourselves. People like Tim Wise were the Kapos in the Nazi extermination camps...the self-haters happy to help their own people be wiped out. It's sad that leftists who preach tolerance and peace and so on are so blind to the frightening hatred radiating from their most fervent supporters.
What a foul website. Its been years since I last visited it, and I see its every bit as bad as I remembered. Also note the army of probably SWPL commenters celebrating their own demise.
ReplyDeleteBut then who are the American blacks going to sponge off?
ReplyDeleteWell, he's basically right.
ReplyDeleteHow can Wise hate whites? He is white?
Dennis, Wise plays the demonizing game for his own financial enrichment. If he truly hates whites (and he might), it's an add-on. Congrats (btw) on the 1M hits.
ReplyDeleteIs Wise TRYING to resurrect an anti-Jewish sentiment in the US that never really existed before? If I were trying to write a modern-day Protocols of the Elders of Zion all I'd have to do is quote him verbatim with no commentary. Thankfully, he and those like him are eroding the confidence of those that look like me that 'live and let live' as a viable and realistic perspective.
ReplyDeleteDoes he have a similarly harsh message for the Israelis?
ReplyDeleteThe Kos responses are just as illuminating as the screed. At some level even the dopes at Kos must understand that when whites disappear there won't be any money for their precious programs. They don't care. Even if we're reduced to the level of Cuba or Peru they'd rather see that happen than to see white people with their own sovereign society. Modern Leftism is all about white-hating racism. Wise should be thanked for his candor.
ReplyDeleteWho's the real villain in all this? Everyone knows the Left are genocidal white-haters, they've hardly been coy about it the last few decades. The real villains are the collaborationist Republicans and Conservatives whose basic bargain with the Left is to keep its white victims silent, to keep them from confronting the Left as a racist movement, as genocide, in exchange for a chance to service their big business buddies. They're the orchestra on the Auschwitz train platform. The responses at Free Republic to this article are just as illuminating. Lots of silly talk of we've got guns, just try it, as if Wise were advocating a roundup of whites. They won't touch the real issue Wise is talking about - extermination through immigration. In this case they actually cling to their guns to avoid reality, and their Republican and CONservative masters are pleased.
It should be pointed out that Tim Wise is himself a blue-eyed devil. His self-hate is pathological. He likely had a naughty uncle.
ReplyDeleteI hope some responsible parties print out and save those rantings by Wise, posted on his own blog, in an effort to discredit him in the future. He should be marginalized for rantings such as this.
ReplyDeleteFrankly Ive always had the idea that if just a few conservatives were willing to wear wires and fiberoptic cameras like undercover police officers, they could successfully infiltrate some leftist organizations, win over the trust of the radicals there, and engage them in conversastions designed to get the assembled extremists to say what they really think. When enough material is gathered and released for public consumption, just imagine how many "respectable" leftists could be marginalized for good by all non-self-hating whites?
Tim Wise is obviously literally consumed by hatred for whites, and is all for their extinction as a people. Any honest onlooker can see that.
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Wise is half-Jewish, half-European in ethnicity. Yes, he is getting paid to espouse what he does.
ReplyDeleteHe is the type of man who has many pre-planned conversations in his mind already schemed out, like a salesman who has ten different answers for a shopper who says, "Im just looking". Since dialectic ideas that are calibrated to negatively frame whites probably make up a good 30% of his mental output (if you include his silent thoughts), his arguments will be pretty good, and his answers to the usual objections both one and two iterations down the line will also be good.
He is a true fanatic.
What did white people do during this election cycle to garner this outrage from Tim? Did they take to the streets with arms? Did they intimidate voters? Did they cheat, steal ballot boxes, or do any thing else to prevent others from expressing their views? All they did was express their views through the ballot in a peaceful democratic process, something that could not happen in most countries.
ReplyDeleteAdditionally, whites did not vote in as large a monolithic bloc as Tim's chosen demographics. According to exit polls, only 60% voted republican. Compare that percentage to the levels of blacks, hispanics and jews who voted in higher proportion for the democrats.
There are really only 2 choices, if you can even call it that, in American elections, democrat or republican. What does Tim want, a one party state?
But Wise is typical. Are we allowed to say this, or is mentioning racial/ genetic predispositions only ok when it's about blacks and hispanics? An overwhelming majority of jewish males hate with instinctual ferocity the highest type of man, the strong, healthy, self-sufficient European man who has reverence for himself, love for his people and culture, intolerance for the parasitic, and most of all, a disdainful indifference to the paranoid whining and logic-chopping of Jews ... such a man is the enemy of all that is good. So, the opposite of this type of man will rule as long as Jews wield disproportionate power.
ReplyDeleteAll the problems "conservatives" complain about -- black crime, hispanic reconquista, islamic terrorism -- how facile would the solutions to these things be if we didn't have to appease the jewish sensibility, if we didn't have to be on guard against the energetic focus of Jewish tribal self-interest every step of the way.
He is clearly refering to the wrong kind of white people, not the right kind, like himself.
ReplyDelete"we’ll be able to teach about them"
Who is we? He thinks that SWPLs will run the show. The joke is on him, because SWPLism will go the way of the Dodo bird in latin americanized US.
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The reaction of the left against the tea party movement resembles what happened in Europe in recent decades.
The left liked to view themselves as anti-establishment rebels. Incorrect voting behavior or political views among the masses are attributed to the machinations and propaganda of the right wing (actually centrist) establishment which is alleged to lure the ignorant population away from their rightful left wing leadership.
This was not only a plausible but even accurate theory until the end of the Bush administration.
But when a populist political force emerges that clearly isn't simply manufactured from the top down and that resists the usual leftist attacks, the perception quickly changes. The left recognizes that itself is part of the establishment and that the masses aren't mere ignorant pawns, but potentially dangerous political actors in and of themselves.
The attitude towards the common man changes to open hostility.
- Contrarian
There was not one single comments that calle him out on this. Par for the course
ReplyDeleteWhen all those "old white people" are gone, here's the type of people we'll no longer have:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.lotterypost.com/news/222928/1832373
Tim Wise identifies himself as a Jew.
ReplyDeleteI saw this guy duke it out with the Kvetcher on the latter's now-defunct blog.
ReplyDeleteYou could tell he was a loon.
An overwhelming majority of jewish males hate with instinctual ferocity
Come on, what about the females?
This kind of thing makes you think Kevin MacDonald may well be right with his evolutionary theory about the Chosen People®. Whoever gets those genes ends up a hostile, tribalistic nut.
ReplyDeleteI consider myself reasonably well informed, and I get all my news from the internet, but I had never heard of Tim Wise prior to reading this same lunacy at Age of Treason. I checked Wikipedia and it lists Wise as having a Jewish father and Scottish mother. How ironic that Jews consider only matrilineal descent; under Israel's immigration laws - supervised by the ultra religious - poor little Timmy wouldn't qualify for the law of return.
ReplyDeleteWell, I take my schadenfreude where I can get it. Jews Alan Grayson and Russ Feingold are out of Congress, and a number of others like Ron Klein didn't get in.
"The Kos responses are just as illuminating as the screed. At some level even the dopes at Kos must understand that when whites disappear there won't be any money for their precious programs."
ReplyDeleteNo problem. The Asians are eager to pay high taxes to subsidize the pathology of NAM's. Or maybe not.
This is the Tim "Our Ankles Survive" Wise I've always known. He clearly has serious issues with traditional middle-class white America. He has no deep concern for "blacks and browns" as he puts it. For Wise, as well as for the SWPLs, those people are just pawns in a game. In the case of SWPLs, the game is status-seeking. In the case of Wise, it involves his own pathological hatred of everything white, traditional, and civilized.
ReplyDeleteThis kind of thing makes you think Kevin MacDonald may well be right with his evolutionary theory about the Chosen People®. Whoever gets those genes ends up a hostile, tribalistic nut.
Agreed. It goes beyond the typical self-serving paranoia about antisemitism and gets right down to the whole idea that Jews are genetically prone to hating whites and their civilization.
In his post, Wise compares whites to villains in horror films. The Hollywood villain that best matches Wise is Pennywise the Clown, "the eater of worlds, and of children." And you are next...
An uncle Tom is a black who attempts to please and amuse whites. I dub Tim Wise "Uncle Tim", a white who dances jigs to amuse blacks. Congratulations Rumpledouchekins, you are a neologism, as well as a twit.
ReplyDeleteI checked Wikipedia and it lists Wise as having a Jewish father and Scottish mother. How ironic that Jews consider only matrilineal descent; under Israel's immigration laws - supervised by the ultra religious - poor little Timmy wouldn't qualify for the law of return.
ReplyDeleteI suspect Wise has inherited the worst of both worlds: all the Jewish tendencies such as insufferable hypocrisy and arrogance, the desire to engineer the social landscape, a love of amoral argument, etc. combined with the shallow altruism of the SWPL.
I also wouldn't be surprised if he has some identity issues because he's not Jewish by halakha.
Has the original comment been archived? I note that now the Wise piece at kos omits the prior mention about wanting to hear our hearts stop beating. I wonder how else it has been conveniently bowdlerized?
ReplyDeleteCan anyone confirm?
I guess this chap hasn't heard of Mormons.... America's White demographics are fine, even dandy. SWPLs are the drivers of the apparent white demographic decline. As evangelicals and mormons grow as a share of the white population the numbers will turn around. By 2030 it will be impossible to be elected without the mormon vote. At least that is my guess.
ReplyDeleteBut assuming he is right, why the jubilation? Is he planning on shipping East Asias over so that there is someone to replace evil whitie? Who else is going to supply the taxes for welfare, the homes for breakins or the warm bodies upon which to blame all social problems?
When you look at his web site and see the kinds of things he does, it seems pretty clear he's paid with taxpayer money.
ReplyDeleteI like how the left keeps telling poor whites that they are voting against their interests by supporting republicans, recall the book 'What's the matter with Kansas?'. Well I'd like to see the whites that still vote democrat read Wise's stuff at dailykos. Talk about voting against your interests. How can any white feel comfortable about what the left has in mind for them?
ReplyDeleteBrutha Tim Wise,
ReplyDeleteYou have a soul mate at allAfrica.com, in the person of one William Ochieng':
" ... in a rapidly changing and globalising world people must change or remain behind, ossified. That is why the United States is today sliding down the global scale of wealth, influence, and respectability. The increasing rise and popularity of India, China and Brazil are pointers to the American hubris. The causes of America's slow death include petulant racism, conceited arrogance, the quest to be lords of mankind, and the disconnect with the disconsolate world."
He is right, but not in the way he imagines. One cause of America's slow death is the petulant racism and conceited arrogance of racists like William Ochieng' — and the unwillingness of white Americans to acknowledge that they are scheduled for elimination by the "disconsolate" world.
Here is a song to soothe Uncle Tim's nerves.
ReplyDeleteKeep up the good work, whitey. The bruthas may not really care what you think, but the SWPLs are all ears.
Oh, how could I forget this one?
ReplyDeleteIts clearly psychological. Tim Wise obviously grew up in some white corn bread community and hated it. Perhaps his father was a tyrant or the neighborhood kids were mean to him, when he was a child. Wise clearly has issues.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know when he was born or where he grew up?
The wiki shows him being born in Nashville in 1968 and growing up there. Tennessee was still a very conservative place in 1968 with lots of racial tension at the time. Its possible that his parents beat him a lot and he is rebelling against them. 1968 was a time where it was still socially unacceptable for married couples to choose not to have kids if they did not want them, especially a place like Tennessee. So, he could have been an unwanted child.
ReplyDeleteAnother possibility is that he did not get on well with his peers as a school child. Since whites and blacks do not mix well (even today) in that part of the country, his anti-white attitude may be a projection of his hatred of his peers while as a child or in high school.
I suspect the later is the more likely explanation. Wise is too functional on both a personal and social level to have suffered abuse parental abuse as a child. Maybe he dated a black girl while in junior or senior high school and got harassed by his white peers for it (yes, this still goes on in this part of the country), with the harassment being quite violent.
Doesn't Wise's comment ""we’ll be able to teach about them"" smack of the plan Charles Manson and The Family had--to wait out the death of whites in a race war, and when "the darkies" find themselves unable to run society, emerge to lead the poor souls to a earthly Paradise?
ReplyDeleteTalk about a dog returning to its vomit...
If was was born and raised in Tennessee, then as the child of a Jewish father and a shiksa mother, he may have perceived some disapproval from the older generation of Tennesseans who don't care too much for Jews who marry white girls. Perhaps his father was as viscious a leftist as he is, and he grew up with that kind of hatred for traditional America. Combine that with a sense that he doesn't really belong entirely to the Jewish people nor to the non-Jewish white people, and it seems like you have the recipe for a resentful white-hater. Always and forever trying to get revenge on the conservative southern whites who didn't fully accept him and his parents in their community. Delighting in the thought of them being destroyed, their culture ("cornpone Opie at the fishing hole") wiped out.....
ReplyDeleteIsn't it ironic that a Jew would be so open in his desire to see a people's way of life wiped from the face of the earth?
If you search for "Tim Wise" on Google, the search results calls him an American "anti-white activist", although the Wik entry itself now reads "anti-racist activist". You can still see "anti-white" at the cached page. Hard to call this a "correction" since anti-white is more accurate.
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What I just don't get about an attitude like his is: what country does he look to in order to feel so full of joy at the prospect of a majority black / brown country? Mexico? Brazil? Venezuela? Haiti? If it were such a wonderful thing that he is projecting (accurately, unfortunately) and celebrating, shouldn't he be able to point to some examples that show desirable results? In fact, if black / brown countries were so desirable, why don't we see whites emigrating to them?
While I'm at it: look at this statement from Wise's full article: "Go buy whatever you people buy when your taxes get cut." Anti-white activism really is cultural Marxism at heart: the assumption is that ALL your money is rightfully the state's; enjoying your "tax dollars" is just an unnatural, temporary state of affairs to him. Every dollar earned that is not going to support NAMs is a crime and a mistake that will be corrected by our betters. How can he write this and deny that what he ultimately desires is the enslavement of whites, a kind of permanent white Gulag justified purely because it will support non-whites. Frightening and disgusting.
I seem to remember that Jared Taylor debated Tim Wise several times. He never came off as so extreme or bloodthirsty in those debates, but I maybe I as misperceiving what lay under the surface.
Various bloggers -- including Half Sigma, SBPDL, Mencius Moldbug and Steve -- have pointed out that white liberal support of NAMs is largely just a proxy fight against, and a status boosting exercise vis-a-vis, the "wrong" kind of whites.
ReplyDeleteThe Wise piece shows that the ultimate logic of that proxy fight is the demise even of the party that is using that tactic in the fight. It is literally suicidal, but the self-delusion of those who use believe that they themselves will be exempt from the consequences because of their virtue, self-regard and track record of having been on "the right side" prevents them from seeing the end result.
No matter how many other other lambs you point the finger at, when there is no one left in the room but five wolves and one finger-pointing lamb, there is no doubt who will be for dinner. Wise's piece is the first time I have been able to directly picture a kind of South African situation in the US: one group of whites singing "Kill the Boer" against another group.
P.S. To Porter's question above, the AmRen site uses the version that contains the "heart stop beating" line.
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2010/11/an_open_letter_2.php
Realizing that he gave away just a tad too much, Tim the hater is trying to backpedal:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.timwise.org/2010/11/reading-comprehension-101-text-subtext-and-the-politics-of-misinterpretation/#more-759
No, Tim, your picture is very clear now and it is filed for posterity for everyone to see.
Guys, look at Tim's wiki entry. They are proposing it be deleted.
ReplyDeleteI am posting this at 7:56pm central time, Nov 4, 2010. It might be gone in a bit. This has just happened in the last couple of hours. I bet it is in response to his letter.
He accuses present-day whites of being of the same mind as those who wanted to keep blacks enslaved and keep children working "mines and factories". He revels in our demographic decline.
ReplyDeleteIt's difficult to believe "players" like Wise don't know better, but what he's taking advantage of here is "fish don't see water." Whites hear people like Wise blathering on about the evils of their forefathers so often, they don't see the water. Here the water is the fact that the only salient unique fact is that whites ended slavery and child labor. Slavery and child labor have been the standard throughout human history. Whites were unique vis-a-vis these practices only in ending them.
his arguments will be pretty good, and his answers to the usual objections both one and two iterations down the line will also be good.
ReplyDeleteHe is a true fanatic.
Wise is a complete wuss. The 'net's crawling with the people he purports to despise, yet he never names them, quotes them, attacks them, or heaven forbid, debates them. That's because he's a wuss. I could name ten guys I know only by their 'net handles who could easily trounce the guy in a blog war (where his salesman's tricks, verbal facility, and lack of scruples would do him no good at all). That's why he keeps his head down as studiously as he does.
And of course, his thoroughgoing dishonesty also explains why he avoids the big dogs of racism - Israel, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Saudi Arabia, China, Mexico, etc. - in favor of milquetoast opponents like Red State Americans.
As for the strength of his arguments, that may be, but we'll never know, since he spends all his time cowering and sniping at phantoms.
So perhaps we should start with the obvious, for those a bit too slow to begin the reading of the essay with, ya know, the title. For if one reads the title, “An Open Letter to the White Right, On the Occasion of Your Recent, Successful Temper Tantrum,” one would almost immediately discover an important nugget of relevant information; information that rather clearly spells out who is being critiqued in the piece, and thus, to whom my ire is being directed. It is not white people. It is not the white elderly. It is the white right, as in right-wing.
ReplyDeleteOh, well I'm glad he cleared that up. He wasn't condemning all white folks...just the majority.
You know, 'cause some of his best friends are white...
When I first read this, I actually didn't think it was Wise. Wise is a vile creature, but I never expected him to belie his erudite demeanor and offer such naked hatred.
ReplyDeleteGuess I was wrong. This guy is absolutely sick and, dare I say, a racist.
"the only salient unique fact is that whites ended slavery and child labor. Slavery and child labor have been the standard throughout human history. Whites were unique vis-a-vis these practices only in ending them."
ReplyDeleteBut Wise would surely say something like those things were ended by progressive whites and not the 'white right' he was addressing, per the title of his piece.
"For all y’all rich folks, enjoy that champagne, or whatever fancy ass Scotch you drink.
ReplyDeleteAnd for y’all a bit lower on the economic scale, enjoy your Pabst Blue Ribbon, or whatever shitty ass beer you favor."
Here we see the not untypical mixture of snobbery and resentment that motivates so many left-wing creeps like Wise. If your booze is too good - or if your booze is not good enough - then you are a swine, a louse, an unmensch. I suppose we can conclude from this that Wise's preferred tipple is a shot of Usher's Green Stripe chased down with a seven dollar bottle of belgian ale.
What about Hennessy? A lot of Wise's presumed black "brothas" (many of whom would gladly curb-stomp him into a mealy lump of oatmeal just for the chance to break in thier new sneakers) seem to like Hennessy. So what's the story on Cognac, Mr. Wise? Okay for Kanye West, but not okay for Adam West?
As Mick Jagger sang: "He can't be a man cause he doesn't smoke......the same cigarettes as me." I find it fascinating the degree to which so many left-wing biases seem to emanate from a crass and materialistic lifestyle snobbery. Much like the author of "What's the matter with Kansas", Thomas Frank, who is flabbergasted that so many middle americans betray thier own material interests by not voting for Democrats (according to Frank). And why are Frank and people like him Democrats?.......Because - they claim - the democrats are not the materialistic party. It's as if he's saying "Damn you people, why don't you start voting your pocketbooks, you crass, money-grubbing bastards!"
I'm glad that Wise has gone on record saying exactly what he really thinks. Duly noted, Mr. Wise.
Wise's people were even less likely to vote Republican than Hispanics. In the House elections 34% of Hispanics and only 31% of Jews voted GOP.
ReplyDeleteI'd never heard of this guy before, but he's very SWPL. I have heard variations of this most of my adult life, in professional circles, in both education and business. Most wealthy, upper class Whites think this way.
ReplyDeleteIt is NOT "a Jewish thing." This guy is as Jewish as I am. Which is to say, not at all. Real Jews view themselves and their co-religionists and family as the Chosen People, and don't have a high opinion of non-White gentiles. Listen to Howard Stern and get his take on things.
The guy like most SWPL is a debased Calvinist. The form of elect saved and pre-determined damned is there, but instead of salvation and heaven, it is moral and demographic status, with Christianity replaced by "anti-Racism."
Yep, the guy is a debased Calvinist. Which speaks to the power of debased American culture. A guy with a Jewish father chooses as his religion, debased, pseudo Calvinism. The predetermined saved and damned, shown by their status in the world. If you were saved, you'd be born into SWPL wealth as a Trustafarian. If you are damned, you are born as a blue collar White.
Wise is a lunatic, always has been. He gets paid to go around and brainwash college freshman.
ReplyDeleteWhat's funny is that if you e-mail him and challenge his points, he'll try to respond logically at first but when he gets the inevitable beatdown he will start cursing and using foul language and doing the whole Internet tough guy routine. On a more serious note, I think we should keep tabs on Wise's speaking schedule and inform the authorities where ever he speaks of this hateful tirade. Anti-white racism is generally fine in the eyes of the powers that be, but this crackpot might have stepped over the line.
BTW, has anyone ever pointed out to Tiny Tim that his beloved liberalism and anti-racism is embraced by one race only?
Swedish Television (SVT) with their song "mix up (the races)"
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlY2Rc3rx54&feature=watch_response
I also wouldn't be surprised if he has some identity issues because he's not Jewish by halakha.
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure he has three Jewish grandparents (including the mormor), so he should qualify.
In vino veritas
ReplyDeleteTim Wise definitely self-identifies as Jewish. See:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Green-Wise.html
Wise is typical of the kind of white middle-class hooligan who becomes one of those black-clad anarchists that like to smash store windows. They have invested thier manhood in the idea of being "anti-racist". In addition to being fundmentally bone-headed (a gang of homies would maim or kill those idiots without a second thought, "anti-racist" or not), it's also fundamentally cowardly. I've seen these guys spouting off on blogs - with extreme and profane bravado - about how they would love to get thier hands on a racist pig klansman or nazi - then those c-suckers would feel the hurt put on 'em. Yeah - right - where is your average black-block antifa even going to find a klansman or a nazi? In a Seattle coffee house? At the Whole Foods in San Francisco? Hell, nowadays, you can't even find a klansman in Jackson, Mississippi on a Saturday night. The vainglorious and false chest-thumping of these young, white anti-racist nitwits would be like me saying "Those goddamned Etruscans better keep clear of me, man, cause if I ever see one, I will royally mess him up!"
ReplyDeleteWise's sentiments are unusual only in that he has openly expressed them. How many others from the left side of the political spectrum feel this way?
ReplyDeleteBetter yet, how about supposedly right wingers? George W. Bush and John McCain seem to think the Mexicans are "God's children, and we must take care of them." While the rhetoric may not sound inflammatory, how is somebody like McCain really different from Wise? Both would flood the country with Mexicans, and in both cases it would be intentional.
Warren Harding once said something like "my enemies I can deal with. It's my goddamn friends I have to watch out for."
Had this been pointed at any non-white person, there would surely be a riot. That there isn't a riot speaks much of the armor worn. Tim would dismiss this because whites are "in power," and I concede that there's a David vs. Goliath dynamic here. Goliaths aren't allowed to punch at max weight.
ReplyDeleteBut what if a white person is actually the David in a transaction? Being both a David and white, which status supersedes the other? Increasingly, it will be his skin color, rather than his downtrodden status, that will rule over him.
Strange. Wasn't this exactly what folks were fighting against in the 1960's?
FWIW I'm Jewish and I view Tim Wise as a fool, a traitor and an enemy of the West.
ReplyDeleteBut Wise would surely say something like those things were ended by progressive whites and not the 'white right' he was addressing, per the title of his piece.
ReplyDeleteRight, but the only race he criticizes is the white race, and the only thing saliently white about slavery and child labor is that whites ended them.
Not yellows on either side of the spectrum, not reds on either side of the spectrum, not blacks on either side of the spectrum, etc.
So his entire worldview is, of course, morally inverted. As I said at Sailer's blog, Wise is like Superman if he only fought crime in Martha's Vineyard, Mother Theresa if she only brought mercy to Beverly Hills, or John Snow if he ran from cholera.
Wise could attack racism per se, but that would lead him away from his true enemies, white folks; Wise could attack conservatism or rightism per se, but that would lead him away from his true enemies, white folks.
And when Wise says he's just attacking "right-wingers," it's obvious he means people who voted Republican; i.e., the majority of white folks.
FWIW I'm Jewish and I view Tim Wise as a fool, a traitor and an enemy of the West.
ReplyDelete...a type found only in the comments section of blogs, it seems.
"But Wise would surely say something like those things were ended by progressive whites and not the 'white right' he was addressing, per the title of his piece."
ReplyDeleteWhat does "you and yours" usually mean?
Whiskey said:
ReplyDelete"This guy is as Jewish as I am"
WE KNOW!
Somewhat off topic, but over in the UK, Labour MP Phil Woolas faces being ejected from Parliament after claiming his Liberal Democrat opponent had "wooed" extremist Muslims in the run-up to the 6th May 2010 poll.
ReplyDeleteLooks like in the UK courts rather than voters decide who to send into Parliament.
@Svigor - Thanks for replying to my post.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to do my small part to make this guy famous. I plan on sending his DK article to most every white friend and acquaintance I have, so they can see the true face of leftism. Unfortunatey, not all the people I know and am friends with share my views on these sorts of things. I can see some of them not liking the tone of the article and disagreeing with cetain lines in it, but they have been brainwashed enough that they won't see Wise's distortions and lies regarding history for what they are. They'll agree with them completely or to some extent and say the sorts of things I anticipated above.
At the heart of this hateful Liberal tactic to retain power is the myth of black oppression. Blacks aren't oppressed in this country they live far above their means by sponging off of white America. If we broke off 13% of this country and gave them their own nation, infrastructure intact, it would look like Haiti (or worse, Newark) in 20 years. The difference in wealth between what blacks have now and what they would have in New Haiti is the "white tax". The whole anti-white program - from murder in the street, to immigration, to affirmative action, to "white-privilege" classes and Nazi jerks like Wise - rests on the foundation of Conservatives and ordinary white Americans sadly nodding and going along with the whole "poor, oppressed blacks" charade. It's a polite fiction to cover-up blacks real problem, their inabilities. And it keeps the left in power and whites on the road to extinction.
ReplyDelete@ Anonymous at 12:13,
ReplyDeleteExcellent post. That about sums it up.
Maybe Tim Wise will recite the letter during his upcoming speaking engagements?
ReplyDeleteNovember 9th in Sewanee, TN:
http://news.sewanee.edu/events/2010/11/09/author-and-educator-tim-wise-to-speak-at-sewanee
and November 11th at Georgia Tech in Atlanta:
http://gatechtraining.blogspot.com/2010/11/diversity-week-2010.html
"Then who are the American blacks going to sponge off of"(dearieme).
ReplyDeleteAmerican blacks aren't the only ones sponging. Some of us like my husband who served in the US Army(as his father before him and his descendants who served during the Civil War) are law-abiding, tax paying citizens and proud of it! Mr. Wise is just as confused and distrubed as other hate mongers such as Hitler, Farrakhan and Jeremiah Wright. They come in all colors...
After Wise's rant went viral, he posted a very very long response to it at his website. He defends the rant by saying anyone who "misread" it is "a bit too slow." He writes further: "To believe that I am condemning all white people in this essay requires an incapacity for rational thought almost too stunning to contemplate." Then he adds: "I will grant you, some of the wording I chose for the piece was intemperate, and upon greater reflection, there are no doubt words and phrases I could have chosen that would have conveyed this same core message, perhaps more effectively. That’s how it goes sometimes when you’re trying to speak your truth: it’s raw, unfiltered, and not always beholden to strategic considerations. Fine. It is for this reason that I went back and made a few edits to the piece."
ReplyDeleteSo we're irrational for interpreting his hateful screed quite rationally, so much so that he must go back and edit it? That's so rich.
http://www.timwise.org/2010/11/reading-comprehension-101-text-subtext-and-the-politics-of-misinterpretation/#more-759
Whiskey, have you finished reading Commentaries on the Gallic?
ReplyDeleteWhy should we be surprised that someone of Jewish ancestry loves the thought of white gentiles being exterminated? Jews have always hated us and always will. Hopefully this will cause some self-deluding white gentiles such as Jared Taylor to wake up and realize that Jews are an even greater threat to us than are blacks and Hispanics.
ReplyDeleteThe Uncle Tim-ist of all:
ReplyDeletehttp://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/06/uncle-tim.html
Whiskey said:
ReplyDelete"This guy is as Jewish as I am"
So your father's Jewish, and you went to Hebrew school? How nice of you to come clean about this at last, Mr. "Scotch-Irish"!
I'd never heard of this guy before, but he's very SWPL. I have heard variations of this most of my adult life, in professional circles, in both education and business. Most wealthy, upper class Whites think this way.
ReplyDeleteThis is a standard part of Rotgut's boilerplate; reframe Ashkenazis as "SWPLs." It's a run-of-the-mill lefty tactical attempt to control the language. And very much a passionate motivation for Rotgut, for whatever reason; he repeats it over and over, ad nauseam.
It is NOT "a Jewish thing." This guy is as Jewish as I am. Which is to say, not at all. Real Jews view themselves and their co-religionists and family as the Chosen People, and don't have a high opinion of non-White gentiles. Listen to Howard Stern and get his take on things.
Part 2 of the standard Ashkenazi obfuscation playbook, try to fob Ashkenazi-ness as "religion." Okay, sure, if by "religion" you mean something that has as much to do with who your mother was as it does with belief; sorta like White Nationalism, eh?
The guy like most SWPL is a debased Calvinist. The form of elect saved and pre-determined damned is there, but instead of salvation and heaven, it is moral and demographic status, with Christianity replaced by "anti-Racism."
You're not in the bush leagues here, Rotgut. A lot of us are old hands. So we know Jews will pick up many a weapon to assault their enemies, with crypsis being the favorite. Wise is a Jew. Not a half-Jew, not a 3/4s Jew; a Jew. That's how he refers to himself.
Yep, the guy is a debased Calvinist.
The guy despises Christians and their God. But strangely, not the Jewish God. Hmmm. He's a debased what, again?
I think a more interesting conversation would be your loyalties, given all the gymnastics you do for Ashkenazis. You're doing damage control for Ashkenazis, right now. How many masters can a man serve?
I think it makes sense to categorize people more by their loyalties, than by their rhetorical style. I also think this is pretty obvious. If I dress up like Che and spout Marxist rhetoric to get close to Hugo Chavez so I can put two in his dome, am I suddenly a commie? If I pretend to be Scotch-Irish, but display at every turn my loyalty to Ashkenazi Jewry, am I suddenly Scotch-Irish? If I coat my assault in the rhetoric of the Puritans, but I'm serving Ashkenazi interests, am I suddenly fighting for the descendants of the Puritans?
I think Rotgut mental universe is one where we're all morons. But in our physical universe, we know damn well Ashkenazis have been playing the "nobody here but us universalist white folks" game for generations.
a gang of homies would maim or kill those idiots without a second thought, "anti-racist" or not
ReplyDeleteIt's not really all that theoretical. Check out the comments:
http://www.timwise.org/2010/08/tim-wise-on-cnn-newsroom-8910-key-points-for-effective-racial-dialogue/
This takes me back 30 years.
ReplyDeleteMy late grandfather, an educated, learned, and wise man, had purchased a hobby farm in the country where he raised livestock and generally puttered around during his retirement. I was a normal middle-class American teen, thoroughly schooled in the nascent PC religion.
On the farm, we had an old tool shed, outfitted with a cast-iron stove. After the work was done, we'd retire to the shed to warm up, relax, and talk.
One day, the talk turned to race. I forget the particulars; perhaps I was off school for Martin Luther King Day. The subject of race came up. My grandfather turned to me, and in his antique patois not much removed from the 19th century, said, "Now, there's one thing you've absolutle got to remember. They hate you, and that's just all there is to it."
I was floored. I didn't argue with him, but I knew that he had spoken the unspeakable, even then. Over the last 30 years, I've seen nothing to falsify his assertion, and much to confirm it. Any remaining doubt would have been obviated if Wise were black. What to make of his race? Does he imagine that they will not hate him too? He reminds me very much of the hapless souls on the latest Animal Planet television series, who keep tigers/bears/etc. imagining that they themselves won't be eaten. You know what happens next.
This is a standard part of Rotgut's boilerplate; reframe Ashkenazis as "SWPLs." It's a run-of-the-mill lefty tactical attempt to control the language. And very much a passionate motivation for Rotgut, for whatever reason; he repeats it over and over, ad nauseam.
ReplyDeleteThis is Mencius Moldbug's basic shtick as well.
“Whiskey” formerly used the names “Evil Neocon” and “Testing 99.” If he admitted to being a Jew, it would undermine his advocacy of positions that are mostly about his perceived interests as a Jew.
ReplyDeleteBeyond that, what is interesting is that few if any Jews think that they should police their own kind against the kind of thing that Tim Wise advocates. This is important because many Jews have no problem with policing gentiles, even to the point of campaigns designed to destroy them. Think of Joe Sobran, Mel Gibson, Pat Buchanan or the pressure the late lamentable William Buckley was constantly under from the Jewish left (including evil Neocons). Think of Rich Sanchez or Lou Dobbs or many others we never hear about. And of course we have the example of Larry Auster attacking Sailer, Buchanan, Dennis and many others with the smear of “anti-semite.”
If Jews think policing white gentiles is fine and dandy, then it is also an obligation for them to police their own regarding hostility to white gentiles. If they don’t or won’t police their own, the “policing” of thoughts by white gentiles should also come to an end.
For 11/05 12:13p.m. anon:
ReplyDeleteWhile oversimplified your commentary is perfectly correct. Liberalism itself shifted direction as American culture evolved from 1960 to 2000. It was full of romantic ideals as the "flower children" gave voice to their doslocations with standard American life. While various strains of liberalism ran through this historical period, multiculturalism eventually emerged as globalization became popular.
I believe that liberals always wanted equality but agreed with MLK that opportunity was the key. Only after busing and many billions failed to create "equality" did liberals begin to listen to the radical leftist message Chomsky always spouted about the white enemy's hegemony. Hatred of whites may have been largely Jewish in origin but it surely evolved as corporate America, the arch-enemy of most liberals, began to portray whites as ineffectual and bungling, the very traits attributed to blacks historically.Corporate America participated actively in the degradation of the white majority and the promotion of political strategies like open borders. Advertising has been deadly in cultivating the myth of the black intellectual or the black professional. Whites are either non-existent or represent stupidity and silliness. Ironically, the vast power handed to blacks by corporate America includes very abundant TV programs in which the natural proclivities of blacks to be vulgar, nasty, silly, and arrogant even when dumb are shown in radiant color before the eyes of America. We are living a lie every day.
Of course the celebrities like Juan Williams will be fired until we begin to take back our country and respect free speech. Honest criticism of religion or race should be fair game on serious talk shows. The case of James D. Watson should be argued openly until educated viewers have a deeper grasp of the depravity of totalitarian liberalism. It is a mortal enemy, as Tim Wise demonstrates.
One of the unique divisions among today's liberals is the army of academics in literature, social science, and art who are post-modernists. Opposed to them are the liberals engaged in mathematics, science, and engineering who believe like Alan Sokal in the epistemology of science.I agree fully with Sokal that the Left's love of postmodernism is absolutely deadly. Their anti-scientific crusade threatens the integrity of public discourse in the West. Pseudoscience and mythology are favorite tools of the leftist quacks selling lies about men's "war" against women or lies about cultural achievements of early black Africans.Sokal does a great job of exposing Leftist horrors but he probably would hesitate to open the Pandora's Box of anthropology and genetics related to human differences. As right as he is about leftist atrocities, he will be the last to open that door. I did it in my book called Apes or Angels? Darwin, Dover, Human Nature, and Race. Best-seller? Don't count on it!
...But in our physical universe, we know damn well Ashkenazis have been playing the "nobody here but us universalist white folks" game for generations. @Svigor
ReplyDeleteCorrect as always, Svig.
"Oy vey, we're a religion... no wait, we're a race... no wait, we're a People..."
So Half Sigma finally got around to addressing the Tim Wise thing. He said (among many other things),
ReplyDeleteThere is nothing in Judaism, as historically practiced, which instructs Tim Wise’s viewpoints on race. ....The idea about helping less fortunate races is firmly rooted in Christianity. etc.
My comment, which he chose not to approve, was this:
HS, this is a red herring. The problem here isn't historical Judaism (which essentially nobody even practices anymore), but the behavior and attitudes of ethnic Jews, especially influential ones like Tim Wise.
They are constantly working against the interests of the 95% of whites who are not Jews or elites or elite Jews. Especially they seem to hate the white middle-class family, and for the last century or so have largely supported policies that attack it. Meanwhile they support their own tribal interests in the most hypocritically ethnocentric manner imaginable.
"There is nothing in Judaism, as historically practiced, which instructs Tim Wise’s viewpoints on race"
ReplyDeleteJews are a tribe and Judaism is a tribal religion. That means there's automatically two "us" and two "them." Someone who identifies privately as Jewish but publicly as "white like me" would be the embodiment of that.
In practical terms Judaism's strictures on not assimilating combined with Jews not having a homeland of their own for a very long time led to a lot of "us" and "them" type situations over the centuries. It wouldn't be surprising therefore if over that time the majority of Jews came to see weakening the host population as being a kind of pre-emptive self-defence.
Also, on a much more esoteric level the "as historically practised" is key here because all the stuff in Judaism about destroying all the nations of the earth, possessing and ruling over them etc has never come about historically - not completely anyway.
"You're not in the bush leagues here, Rotgut. A lot of us are old hands. So we know Jews will pick up many a weapon to assault their enemies, with crypsis being the favorite. Wise is a Jew. Not a half-Jew, not a 3/4s Jew; a Jew. That's how he refers to himself."
ReplyDeleteSee also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hebrew_Israelites
Black Hebrews: Jews, of course. And don't Christian Identity folks claim to be the real Jews? And if you are whatever you refer to yourself as, can I be white even though I'm Jewish and apparently never the twain shall meet?
You obviously think race is socially constructed, because genetically, Tim Wise is equally Scottish. But you don't hate on him for being Scottish, even though Scots invented capitalism (Adam Smith!) and are disproportionately well-off. He is Jewish because he claims to be. Race must be socially-constructed. I didn't know anti-Semites were so postmodern!
Part 1:
ReplyDeleteI don't like dragging a conversation from one blog to another but ONESTDV has closed comments there and I wanted to point this out.
Sabril: Yawn at the typical anti-Semitism which emerges when some Liberal is known to have some Jewish blood.
The fact is that douchebags like Tim Wise crave the destruction of Jews just as much as they do of Gentile whites. Which makes sense, since what motivates them is envy and shame of intelligence and success.
Don't believe me? Here's what Tim Wise said about Israel:
Israeli Repression and the Language of Liars
http://tinyurl.com/2eedjsr
Chris: sabril, four things about that essay.
A. Look how mild it is. He's giving Israel a good scolding. On the other hand, his rage and bile is reserved for non-Jewish whites.
B. Has he mentioned Israel since he wrote that in 2002?
C. He might simply view outright supremism by Israel as a threat to the Jewish diaspora. There are (obviously) disagreements among Jews how best to protect and further Jewish interests, and what exactly those interest are.
Sabril: " Look how mild it is. He's giving Israel a good scolding. On the other hand, his rage and bile is reserved for non-Jewish whites."
It doesn't seem that mild to me. Perhaps mild in comparison to the essay OneStdv linked to, but then again, consider the title of the blog post: Tim Wise loses it.
Do I really have to point out the (low-rent) lawyer semantics here? Note how rapidly the rhetoric turns stupid once a European turns the "culture of critique" back on the tribe that authored it? Is the title of the blog post really being used as evidence of something relevant? Seriously?
Sabril's been around long enough to know better. He does know better, because I've explained it to him many times. He's feigning ignorance. Sorry, you simply cannot trust Ashkenazis to be even a little honest once you've found a divergence between their "white" and Ashkenazi interests. It just doesn't happen. If it does, you've made an error in classifying them as Ashkenazi.
The fact is that there are a million possible explanations for Wise's conduct, but the most reasonable explanation is that he's a committed Leftist; a self-hating White; and a self-hating (half) Jew.
Who, conveniently, "hates" Ashkenazis about one one-millionth as much as he hates Europeans, even though Ashkenazis violate his supposed principles far more frequently and meaningfully; we're talking orders of magnitude.
Europeans are going to have to get it through their skulls that there can be no true sharing of peoplehood between Europeans and Ashkenazis. They're them, we're us, and we need to pursue our interests, and not theirs.
Black Hebrews: Jews, of course.
ReplyDeleteBut not really - that's why Israel cut off their immigration.
And don't Christian Identity folks claim to be the real Jews?
Sure. Doesn't mean I think they're the same Jews as I refer to when I'm talking about Jews. But Wise is.
And if you are whatever you refer to yourself as, can I be white even though I'm Jewish and apparently never the twain shall meet?
You've smashed a question in with an assertion, with the former based on the latter, but I'm going to separate them.
1. No, you aren't whatever you refer to yourself as.
2. Yes, you can be white if you want, but you have to stop being Ashkenazi. Can't serve two masters.
You obviously think race is socially constructed,
No, I think tribal loyalty is socially constructed.
because genetically, Tim Wise is equally Scottish.
No, Wise has 3 Ashkenazi grandparents.
But you don't hate on him for being Scottish, even though Scots invented capitalism (Adam Smith!) and are disproportionately well-off.
WTF?
He is Jewish because he claims to be. Race must be socially-constructed. I didn't know anti-Semites were so postmodern!
I didn't know Semites were so obtuse. Wait, yes I did.
I could reply more comprehensively, but I'll wait until you find the good sense to actually ask me some questions, rather than putting the answers in my mouth (what is it with Ashkenazis and straw men?).
Part 2
ReplyDeleteMan, I had a lot of stuff copy-pasted into Notepad, and a lot of replies typed up, but fortunately Tommy did most of the heavy lifting in that thread already. So I'll just hit the highlights.
First, we get Sabril pretending Wise is as anti-Israel as he is anti-Euro, which is a real laugh.
Then we get The Undiscovered Jew playing the old shell game with Jewish identification. He insists Jews aren't an ethnicity, so Israel can't be an ethno-state. A pure lawyer's game. Of course, when we be hatin' on the Jews, that's just "anti-Semitism"; note how Sabril uses "anti-Semitism" and its derivations OVER and OVER in that thread, but not once does TUJ object to a term that treats Jews as a group, but works in favor of his ethnic interests.
I suppose it's just random chance that selected the disparate groups he supposes them to be into the non-ethno-state of Israel.
But if Europeans want a SIMILARLY non-ethno-state for Euros, and not Jews, what does TUJ say to that? Well, it doesn't matter what TUJ says to that, because we know what Ashkenazis say to that. They scream bloody murder.
I also like where he blames the lack of Jewish proselytization on non-Jews more than a millennia ago. Like 1500 year old bans have ever stopped Ashkenazis today from doing what they want. Laughable, just laughable.
Notice how over and over he insists Jews aren't ethnocentric. What, his reflexive, relentless, and totally ethically uninhibited defense of his tribe is supposed to convince us he isn't ethnocentric? Laughable.
2) The liberal Jews are not ethnocentric.
Yes they are. They scream bloody murder if a European tries to act in his interests the way Ashkenazis act in theirs. They criticize Europeans all day long, but scream bloody murder if a European criticizes Ashkenazis. They think a Jewish ethno-state is hunkey-dory, and the idea of a European ethno-state is eeeeevil.
Then Sabril tries to reframe the debate:
Anyway, I don't deny that American Jews are disproportionately Leftist. My gripe is when people try to claim that Jews are the fundamental cause of Leftism.
Then he's got no gripe with me. I think Ashkenazis are necessary to liberal hegemony, yes. I think they're the brains of the outfit, by far. But fundamental to its existence? No. Fundamental to its profound success, yes.
He repeatedly turns to this analogy:
People have this fantasy that Leftism would die down if Western Jews only packed up and moved to Israel. It would not go away just like the diamond trade would not go away.
Uhm, no. Ashkenazis profit as a group from leftism. Europeans do not. Ergo, the leftism-diamond trade analogy crumbles under scrutiny; leftism WOULD die down if Ashkenazis were not a part of the conversation (I'm not sure "moving to Israel" would do it, per se), and indoctrinated Euro leftists were given a chance to retire from the scene.
Tommy's "Iron Principles of Jewish History" are pretty funny, and true.
Part 3
ReplyDeleteTUJ:
3) I love how paleocons hold Jews, and only Jews, racially guilty for the ideas of individual Jewish intellectuals when they never hold white gentiles racially guilty for the ideas of individual gentile intellectuals.
As compared to the Ashkenazi "culture of critique," which is all about the fairness and honesty and restraint and introspection, right?
Only the Jews are racially responsible for the actions of individual Jewish thinkers.
"Only the Jews"? Let's think about all the things that, in public discourse, can be preceded by "only the whites" and "only the Jews," and assess which group's getting the better bargain, shall we? Is that REALLY a topic you guys want to bring up? Seriously?
Camlost finally puts the ball back into TUJ's court:
But, all jokes aside - why don't conservative Jews like you do more to win over the Cass Sunsteins of the world and spread HBD as a platform? Just head on down to the synagogue and lambaste those 75% of Jews that voted for Obama... off you go!!
Because the point here is to smash "gentiles" (heathens) into submission, not to clean up his own back yard. Because he's an Ashkenazi supremacist, to the "right" of ethnopatriots (who are into live and let live).
The whole conversation is a side-show. TUJ doesn't want Euros deciding things for themselves. He doesn't want Euros to have for themselves what Jews have for themselves in Israel. He doesn't acknowledge the right of Euros to self-determine, and pretends the conversation's about correcting people's perceptions of history and Jewry. It's not. We have a right to be wrong about Jews, if we want. That's the bottom line. Our rights do not depend on any particular reading of history.
Our rights do not depend on any particular reading of history.
Say that until it sinks in.
Part 4
ReplyDeleteTUJ sums up his arguments:
1) Blaming an ethnic group for the actions of individual intellectuals is nonsensical because you can use that logic to blame any ethnic group for anything.
Nonsense. Categorically refusing to hold groups responsible for the actions of their members is the height of stupidity. As soon as groups figure out they won't be held responsible for their members' actions, all they have to do is hold back one member from any endeavor, and they can get away with anything, and the entire group gets to share the spoils. What, corporations aren't responsible for member malfeasance?
Tommy nicely dispenses with TUJ's summation by swapping out some pronouns. I'll only add:
TUJ: Whites don't commit nearly the amount of crime blacks do, so whites do have some moral standing to collectively ask blacks to stop their behavior.
In contrast, EVERTYHING individual elite Jews have advocated have been advocated by elite gentile whites.
Lol, talk about sloppy. Rates matter when comparing Africans and Europeans vis-a-vis crime. So whites have "moral standing" (as if an ethnonationalist needs to wait on an Ashkenazi's approval of his "moral standing" before he makes a move). But suddenly, rates don't matter; he drops rates from his comparison of Ashkenazis and Europeans vis-a-vis leftism.
I thought this was pretty juicy, too:
Since elite gentiles ALSO support the EXACT same policies gentile elites do
The ADL and AIPAC and "the Lobby" put the lie to that.
2) Gentiles have no right to ask Jews to collectively blame Jewish liberal political activity because everything liberal Jews have advocated and still advocate have also been advocated by liberal gentiles.
This hasn't stopped Ashkenazis from erecting the "culture of critique," which flouts TUJ's rule, so why should it stop us? Turnabout's fair play in my book.
If they can't list any fundamental policy differences between elite Jews and elite gentiles then there is no such thing as "Jewish liberalism" because the liberalism we advocate is not particular to Jews, but, in fact, simply a broader societal change the swept through all Western nations.
Yeah, I can list a fundamental policy difference: elite Ashkenazis pursue their own ethnic interests, and elite "gentiles" (heathens) pursue someone else's ethnic interests.
Part 5
ReplyDeleteTUJ again:
In fact, I've made a similar argument before that most of the accusations anti-semites have used against Jews which are normally either distortions or outright lies such as the charge that "Jews planned and ordered the Holodomor" are so similar to black accusations of that whites in the CIA invented aids and planted crack in the inner city in order to destroy the black community.
Since the paleocons and WNs have so much in common with inner city blacks (and not only in terms of IQ and paranoia), I vote in favor of retiring the word anti-semite, which I agree has become so overrused as to lose meaning, and formally "replace anti-semite" with the term "White Nigger".
Are any other Jewish commenters here in favor of my proposal?
You guys need to get out more. If you did you'd know better than to bring up yet another subject that's going to bite you in the ass.
Paleos and WNs have something in common with blacks? Or, is it Ashkenazis who have much in common with blacks?
I know many Euros don't like this argument, but if people are going to try this "guilt by association" argument against ethnopatriotism, I'm going to have to give it a go as a response.
It's like the "you made HBD inevitable by blaming whites for 'black failure' thing"; I didn't start it, you know? If this lot don't want to hear "blacks are less capable than whites," they should have thought through blaming whites. If they don't want to hear "blacks are like Jews," they shouldn't draw this parallel between white ethnocentrism and black politics.
That said: blacks and Jews have a lot in common. Both groups need whites more than whites need them. Both groups do a lot of harm to whites. Both groups are far better off around us than apart from us. Both groups point to us as their big bad villain, yet follow us wherever we go. And both groups wail like banshees at the notion that whites have a right to live apart from them. We're the best thing to ever happen to either group, yet we take constant abuse from both, and both freak out at the idea of ever being separated from such villains. Both groups advance and support a zeitgeist in which their ethnocentrisms (and ethnostates!) are fine, even praiseworthy, while our ethnocentrism is an unadulterated evil.
Okay, I'm done for now. :)
I think I'm just going to carry around one of those old farm animal noise wheels we had as tots, and every time I catch some whites playing goyim, I'll pull the sheep cord.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, fuck the wheel, I'll make the sound myself.
Goy: "I think that was Dr. King's greatest achievement ... "
Me: "The sheep sez: BAA-AA-AAH!"
I urge others to take this approach if one is not up to Svi's level of dialectical acumen.
I'll continue to watch this space in the hope that TUJ and Sabril will be along to police my thoughts.
ReplyDeleteOr maybe an open comments policy is antisemitic?
To be fair Tim Wise only hates whites who don't hate whites. Whites who hate whites and favor discrimination against whites, and favor an immigration policy that will not only make whites a minority, but eventually a very small minority, and who would be happy to vote for Al Sharpton, are okay by Tim Wise.
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