The proposal has - hard to believe, I know - found support among liberal U.S. Jews, most prominently Abraham Foxman of the ADL.
But the Anti-Defamation League, an organization that is quick to spot instances of discrimination, says Lieberman is right to be concerned about apparent acts of disloyalty by Israeli Arabs.Strange, but according to the ADL website,
Abraham Foxman, the ADL's national director, noted with concern the trips by Arab Israeli Knesset members to enemy states and expressions of solidarity with Hamas by Israeli Arabs during Israel’s recent military operation in the Gaza Strip. [...]
Morton Klein, president of the Zionist Organization of America, said he found Lieberman's proposal “legitimate.”
The League has:
* Shined light on the atmosphere of hate that has surrounded the debate among right-wing extremists and anti-immigration groups;
* Issued reports on the co-opting of the issue by extremists and hatemongers;
* Opposed policies that are discriminatory or encourage racial profiling;
* Encouraged relationships between the immigrant community and local law enforcement;
* Advocated for comprehensive immigration reform;
* Partnered with Hispanic and other immigrant groups at the local and national levels;
* Re-issued A Nation of Immigrants, John F. Kennedy’s classic essay celebrating the immigrant experience in America.
The ADL believes that Americans have no right to control their borders or decide the ethnic composition of their country, but oddly believes the opposite for the Jewish State.
(First two links thanks to One STDV.)
They're even worse than you think. The ADL favors hate speech laws. It's in its mission statement.
ReplyDeleteThis is an example of pure unadulterated hypocrisy, in fact, about as pure as it gets. My strong suggestion would be to use this case and/or the others related to it (e.g., expelling illegal immigrants in Israel) and push for the obvious need to boycott Israel and cut their funding until they transfer power to the Arabs amongst them (ala boycotting South Africa). What’s good for the goose … This kind of thing might be a cheap way to bludgeon the Jewish lobby in the U.S. and elsewhere outside of Israel to cease and desist its hypocrisy or face the logical implications for their precious. No more a state for me but not for thee.
ReplyDeleteCome one Dennis. Finding examples of hypocrisy in the ADL is really a "dog bites man" story, surely?
ReplyDeleteFinding examples of hypocrisy in the ADL is really a "dog bites man" story, surely?
ReplyDeleteGuilty as charged.
Back when I was in the State Dept, we used to call Israeli rightist philosophy "What's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable."
ReplyDeleteAll americans are immigrants.
ReplyDeleteBut some immigrants are more equal than others.
Ah, I love it. This stuff writes itself!
ReplyDeleteBut if it's so easy, how about more examples that are as blatant? I was under the impression that Foxman & co. weren't usually this obvious.
"Come one Dennis. Finding examples of hypocrisy in the ADL is really a "dog bites man" story, surely?"
ReplyDeleteSure it is, and thanks, Dennis, for posting this.
Anytime I argue about Jewish hypocrisy I get, "name three individuals who have both, themselves, advocated for massive immigration into American and immigration restriction
for Israel."
Makes it handy for me to have ready links to point them to.
It'll be interesting to see how the whole Isreal situation plays out. Obviously there also exists a substantial anti-Isreal leftist faction.. A real battle of the titans.
ReplyDeleteFinding examples of hypocrisy in the ADL is really a "dog bites man" story, surely?
ReplyDeleteIIRC, Ricardo challenged Dennis to find exactly this sort of example.
Thanks for the hat tip.
ReplyDeleteI really don't understand how someone could even engage in this level of transparent hypocrisy.
I can't even imagine myself being so inconsistent in my positions.
Dennis, I took the liberty of condensing your post into a comment at a recent Amren thread (Cleaning Up Their Mess for Them); We'll see if it conflicts with their Zionist tendencies (I get more intellectual freedom on the Ashkenazi Question at non-WN sites and the Web in general, never mind real ethnopatriotic sites, than I do at Amren).
ReplyDeleteObviously the SPLC is morally bankrupt - that's where the "Poverty" comes in. What's great about the SPLC is that their moral bankruptcy taints the MSM, which loves quoting and citing the SPLC with a straight face.
Similarly, the ADL is morally bankrupt:
Watch: As Israel Slides Toward Fascism, Citizens and Supporters Swear Their Loyalty
Israelis behaving in a way that would get Americans tarred as "fascist" and "racist" by the ADL.
Lieberman loyalty proposal finds support in U.S.
ADL loves it when Israelis behave in a way that they would tar as "fascist" and "racist" were they Americans.
OneSTDV, it's not inconsistent! It's consistently Ashkenazi-Supremacist!
ReplyDelete:)
Has anybody read "When Money Dies: Nightmare of the Weimar Collapse" by Adam Furguson?
ReplyDeleteWatching Bernanke on the news is like watching a rerun of this book: Prominent jews mismanaging things. The gentile lower, middle, and even some upper class losing everything.
Between that and stuff like this ADL business, and that awful woman in Sweden that somebody linked to yesterday, it's like jews want to make us angry. I don't get it.
The Jewish plan for world domination continues:
ReplyDelete"Jews will play a leading role in multicultural Europe," Says Jewish researcher:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_a-25MhRuk
From the wolf's mouth: Europe must be destroyed by multiculturalism to be saved, and the Jews will be the leaders.
Anytime I argue about Jewish hypocrisy I get, "name three individuals who have both, themselves, advocated for massive immigration into American and immigration restriction
ReplyDeletefor Israel."
Makes it handy for me to have ready links to point them to.
Yes, I've noticed this as well. The commenters "sabril" and "The Undiscovered Jew," among others, frequently ask such questions. They would also often ask about Sweden, with the presumption that Sweden is a counterexample of sorts. I'm not sure if they'll be asking much about Sweden anymore:
http://www.mosaisk.com/Torben-Lund/Bonnier-Hjorne-Klein-Jewish-Media-Scandinavia.php
http://theoccidentalobserver.net/tooblog/?p=3372
ASDF said...
ReplyDeleteHas anybody read "When Money Dies: Nightmare of the Weimar Collapse" by Adam Furguson?
Watching Bernanke on the news is like watching a rerun of this book: Prominent jews mismanaging things.
For the record, Weimar's central banker and the man usually blamed for the hyperinflation was Rudolf von Havenstein, a Prussian aristocrat.
OneSTDV, it's not inconsistent! It's consistently Ashkenazi-Supremacist!
ReplyDeleteBut why aren't white Americans afforded the same freedom (freedom of national association)? And I'm not even talking the kind of explicit ethnopatriotism cited here - I'm just talking immigration moratorium from non-European countries. Hell I'd settle for just stopping Mexican immigration without being tarred a racist.
Obviously I support American immigration restriction (and the corresponding political and social goals). But I also wholeheartedly support this initiative in Israel, the German banker making waves, the French burqa ban, the Swedish nationalists, and the Chinese nationalists.
Every ethnic group is free to define their own nation. Simple as that.
If Germans, Jews, Koreans, or anyone else wants to do it, I'm fine with that. And not only am I morally fine with that, I think it's easily the best pragmatic option, especially if the alternative is a bunch of mestizos or Muslims.
I understand how someone could oppose this altogether. There are some leftist Jews, like the guy who wrote the article and the guy whod id the interview Max Blumenthal, who hate BOTH American whites and Israeli right-wingers.
But these pieces of crap like Abe Foxman and Anthony Weiner - their hypocrisy is disgusting. (Also applies to paleos like Buchanan, except in the opposite direction.)
How about a mass conversion to the jewish faith. We could all take vacations in israel, carry guns and discriminate against Semites. I mean, it's not as they there's a lot else to do, all the jobs have been off-shored. Is the mutilation negatiable?
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, screw the ADL.
ReplyDeleteThat said, promotion of statist monitoring of seditious citizens, or loyalty oaths, isn't the same thing as promoting demographic supremacy or immigration control.
The former are a part of the leftist playbook.
Evidently we are immigrants because for many of us, some 100 to 300 years ago, our ancestors came to America. Does it then follow that we are a nation of farmers because in the 19th century most of our ancestors farmed, or a nation of hunters because these same ancestors typically hunted?
ReplyDeleteIf you go far enough back, everybody in the world is descended from someone who migrated from someplace else. That doesn't make them all immigrants, and most Americans are not -- and do not think of themselve as -- immigrants.
"A nation of immigrants?" A nation of suckers would be closer to the truth.
Dennis, this was an excellent post on the ADL.
ReplyDeleteMay I ask, is Pat Buchanan really sincere when he expresses the desire to see Israel open the floodgates of immigration? Does Pat, in his heart, want Israel to be swamped with dark skinned low IQ violent Palestinians? Or is Pat simply using that as a rhetorical argument, saying that he (Pat) is ok with Israel as a 90% Jewish ethnostate so long as all American Jews support Pat in Pat's vision of returning the USA to being a 90% white ethnostate?
If anyone has any insight in to this I would be interested.
Of course it goes without saying that most gentile leftists want to see Israel allow open immigration, most gentile leftists would like to see Jews in Israel treated roughly the same way that white Christians are treated in modern day Rhodesia.
I always thought that eagerness to see Isreal destroyed as a Jewish state was a feature of the worldwide left and that few on the traditionalist right anywhere in the world sought this goal.
Anytime I argue about Jewish hypocrisy I get, "name three individuals who have both, themselves, advocated for massive immigration into American and immigration restriction for Israel."
ReplyDeleteThe hypocrisy isn't usually this blatant. What we usually have are some Jews advocating mass 3rd-world immigration to America, while ignoring the issue of Israel's apartheid policies. Meanwhile, those Jews who do advocate these Israeli policies typically ignore the American immigration issue, or take a "moderate" (see Nation Review for examples) stance on it. The right hand throws open America's gates while the left hand builds a wall around Israel, but neither hand is hypocritical.
Even when an individual Jew will admit to a consistent position, for instance, "No country should have any restrictions whatsoever on immigration or citizenship", look at how much of his time, money, and influence he spends on opening America's borders vs opening Israel's.
(Of course, by "Jews" here I'm talking about those Jews who are influential in public policy areas... the other 99% of Jews are simply ordinary guys busy making living like the rest of us, albeit usually in higher-IQ occupations.)
"They're even worse than you think. The ADL favors hate speech laws. It's in its mission statement."
ReplyDeleteAnd it's even worse than that, since The Foxman openly brags about the role he played in crafting so many of these "hate laws" for various municipalities around the land. He also acted as consultant in devising these laws in European countries -- you know, where they prosecute and incarcerate people like Irving and Zundel.
The Foxman is a busy, busy boy!
But these pieces of crap like Abe Foxman and Anthony Weiner - their hypocrisy is disgusting. (Also applies to paleos like Buchanan, except in the opposite direction.
ReplyDeleteHow in the heck is Pat Buchanan a hypocrite? You sound like Larry Auster.
But why aren't white Americans afforded the same freedom (freedom of national association)? And I'm not even talking the kind of explicit ethnopatriotism cited here - I'm just talking immigration moratorium from non-European countries. Hell I'd settle for just stopping Mexican immigration without being tarred a racist.
ReplyDeleteBecause that wouldn't be Jewish-Supremacist! :)
Evidently we are immigrants because for many of us, some 100 to 300 years ago, our ancestors came to America.
Yep. We're a "nation of immigrants" and so must let anyone walk in, because our ancestors came here 300 years ago.
But Israel, a "nation of immigrants" only 60 years old, has no such obligation.
May I ask, is Pat Buchanan really sincere when he expresses the desire to see Israel open the floodgates of immigration? Does Pat, in his heart, want Israel to be swamped with dark skinned low IQ violent Palestinians? Or is Pat simply using that as a rhetorical argument, saying that he (Pat) is ok with Israel as a 90% Jewish ethnostate so long as all American Jews support Pat in Pat's vision of returning the USA to being a 90% white ethnostate?
I don't know about Pat, but I sure as hell do. This is pegged to the Ashkenazi desire to see whites in America and Europe demographically swamped. So Ashkenazis control whether I want to see Israel race-replaced out of existence; when they stop the race-replacement advocacy against us, I'll stop the race-replacement advocacy against them.
(Of course, by "Jews" here I'm talking about those Jews who are influential in public policy areas... the other 99% of Jews are simply ordinary guys busy making living like the rest of us, albeit usually in higher-IQ occupations.)
Those simple ordinary Ashkenazis give lots of money and support to the influential public policy Ashkenazis. And those simple ordinary Ashkenazis, most of them would bite your head off if they knew your politics. And every influential public policy Ashkenazi started off as a simple ordinary Ashkenazi.
The ADL believes that Americans have no right to control their borders or decide the ethnic composition of their country, but oddly believes the opposite for the Jewish State.
ReplyDeleteOlmert: US agreed to absorb 100,000 Palestinian refugees
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3956711,00.html
"Ehud Olmert said that during his tenure as prime minister he had reached an agreement with the Americans for them to absorb 100,000 Palestinian refugees as part of a peace deal, adding that he struck a deal with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas according to which Israel would absorb "a minimal amount" of refugees."
"The source said disagreement had remained on the subject of refugees right to the end. "We wanted Israel to absorb hundreds of thousands, while Israel talked about absorbing far fewer," the source said, but confirmed that various countries around the world, including the US, Canada and some Scandinavian countries, had agreed to take in thousands."
Thanks to Rusty Mason for the video link. That clip is eye opening to say the least. Any anti-anti-semites out there want to try to explain it?
ReplyDeleteHow in the heck is Pat Buchanan a hypocrite? You sound like Larry Auster.
ReplyDeleteAs a previous commenter said, Buchanan is always bashing Israel for being an apartheid state and oppressive towards Palestinians.
Either majority demographics can define the composition of their nation or they can't. I imagine Buchanan believes American whites can do so, so why not Israeli Jews? (For the record: I support the right of both groups to do so.)
As a previous commenter said, Buchanan is always bashing Israel for being an apartheid state and oppressive towards Palestinians.
ReplyDeleteEither majority demographics can define the composition of their nation or they can't. I imagine Buchanan believes American whites can do so, so why not Israeli Jews? (For the record: I support the right of both groups to do so.)
Has Buchanan effected any change to Israeli immigration policy? Does Buchanan threaten the careers of those in Israel who don't support open borders?
No, he doesn't. So trying to compare Buchanan to the Israeli firsters in the USA who do that and more to American Patriots is disingenuous.
PS, if you don't want Israel to receive any grief from Buchanan or any other American, I have a simple suggestion, stop taking America aid.
Ok, brass tacks here:
ReplyDeleteI don't honestly care whether the various Jews, Pat Buchanan, et. al are hypocrites. What I care about is, are they my enemies or not? If they're in favor of my demographic displacement, or against the methods necessary to prevent it, they're my enemies. Full stop. If not, they're not my enemies, full stop.
Accusations of hypocrisy are generally ONLY effective if your side controls the cultural/social/media battlespace. Clearly our side (referring to the majority of commentators here who are NOT my enemies) does not. So, in my view the solution is to push a very simple formulation such as mine that quite simply can't be argued against. Otherwise you're going to find that the most sympathetic losers in any policy decision you favor are going to be paraded morning, noon, and night---and make no mistake, there are ALWAYS losers in any policy decision, and that is going to undermine the resolve of your supporters. To compete in that battlespace you have to preemptively define very large swathes of the population, particularly the elite, as your enemies and accordingly not entitled to any moral standing whatsoever to make any sort of ethical or normative argument. You have to greet the useful idiot idealists with unrelenting hostility and derision and force them to choose between their useful idiocy and a normal relationship with you and yours. Sounds harsh, perhaps even unfair, doesn't it. But you'll not win any other way, and make no mistake, this is an existential fight.
As a previous commenter said, Buchanan is always bashing Israel for being an apartheid state and oppressive towards Palestinians.
ReplyDeleteWhich is perfectly appropriate, given that Jews bash Whites over our alleged mistreatment of non-Whites all the time.
Either majority demographics can define the composition of their nation or they can't. I imagine Buchanan believes American whites can do so, so why not Israeli Jews? (For the record: I support the right of both groups to do so.)
It's funny how you say this as though Jews are not the dominant group in this situation, and as though they are not primarily responsible for the post-1965 non-White immigration wave. That obviously makes Buchanan a little less of a "hypocrite", and on the contrary someone who is just honestly pointing out crass Jewish hypocrisy, doesn't it?
OT
ReplyDeleteFor those interested:
When Money Dies: The Nightmare of the Weimar Collapse as a downloadable PDF.
OT (again sorry)
ReplyDeleteFor those who've become acquainted with, and perhaps started to dislike, commenter 'Yan Shen', here he is confusing boorish free speech with 'discrimination' (first comment).
Thanks to Rusty Mason for the video link. That clip is eye opening to say the least. Any anti-anti-semites out there want to try to explain it?
ReplyDeleteIt's not self-evident to most people, as it is to WNs, that multiculturalism is bad and terrible and evil. Most people who support it - and that includes Jews - do so because they believe it's a good thing. There may be self-interest in the case of some Jews, but there is also idealism. Anti-semitism consists in part of always attributing the basest, most selfish motives to whatever Jews do.
I happen to think this woman is dead wrong, but I don't think she's rubbing her hands together and jumping up and down about destroying the European peoples. She thinks she's doing them a favor by bringing them diversity.
On the question if hypocrisy: She probably sees Israel as multi-cultural, since it has Jews from all over the world, Arabic Jews, Russian Jews, etc., as well as a large minority of Palestinians.
Dennis:
ReplyDelete"For the record, Weimar's central banker and the man usually blamed for the hyperinflation was Rudolf von Havenstein, a Prussian aristocrat."
Well, we had Paulson and Geithner. Sure it's a mix, but as jews only make up 2% of the population here, they do tend to stand out. My point was, that as things go wrong, you'd think they'd be cognizant that the spotlight is on them and behave themselves.
The book says that jews were viewed as being over-represented amongst profiteers, as well as dominating their traditional role of banking.
I'm not really confusing free speech with discrimination. A lot of discriminatory speech is in fact protected by the Constitution. I stated that saying such things was bigoted and in extremely poor taste. I never said anyone was breaking the law by doing so.
ReplyDeleteOn the question if hypocrisy: She probably sees Israel as multi-cultural, since it has Jews from all over the world, Arabic Jews, Russian Jews, etc., as well as a large minority of Palestinians.
ReplyDeleteI have heard this before from defenders of Israel's immigration policty. They say that those who suggest Israel is restrictive don't factor in the diverse, multicultural character of the Jewish people. They take Russian Jews, Polish Jews, etc.
Well, I have a question for those who espouse that line. Was America in 1960, consisting of Blacks, Jews, English Anglicans, Irish Protestants, Irish Catholics, German Lutherans, German Catholics, Russian Orthodox, Polish Catholics, Greek Orthodox, and many others, diverse? Based upon the logic that Israel is diverse, I'd say 1960 America was very diverse.
On the question if hypocrisy: She probably sees Israel as multi-cultural, since it has Jews from all over the world, Arabic Jews, Russian Jews, etc., as well as a large minority of Palestinians.
ReplyDeleteAttributing the best possible motives to Jews, and to nobody else but Jews, is one form of bigotry.
America at the Founding was multi-cultural. It had white Protestants from England and Scotland and Ireland and Germany and France and Holland, and ...
ReplyDeleteCertainly America in the 1950's was really multi-cultural.
I think Yan Shen's second comment is pretty telling as well:
ReplyDeleteThe vicious attacks against Asian American students in South Philadelphia high schools at the hands of black students has scarcely received any national attention.
I, for one, read about the attacks a few days after they happened ... at American Renaissance. I was appalled at the violence and I was appalled that at least one school official said the attacks weren't racially motivated. Then again, the attacks did merit in an article in the Philadelphia Inquirer, but it may well have been hidden away to avoiding offending people who believe innocent, sad-eyed black blossoms would never hurt other people of color (or whatever term the left is using to try to isolate and abject lower-middle-class whites these days).
What's interesting about Amren article is the comments.
"Those Asian kids are being subjected to racial and ethnic intimidatiuon that is akin to TERRORISM" from someone named Jedderman. Lots of assertions and counter-assertions about whether Asians care.
While Yan Shen assures us that the reason for the media grayout is racism against Asians ("crimes against Asians don't matter"), Amren commenters are sure it is because of racism against whites ("crimes not committed by whites don't matter").
There were other articles about the incident at Amren, VDare, something called The Phora, etc. I didn't see a single one refraining from criticism of the black bigots who launched the attacks. Second in line for criticism is usually The Establishment writ large - chiefly whites. Sympathy for Asians takes a back seat to anger at the perps, but sympathy it was, nonetheless.
Most people who support it - and that includes Jews - do so because they believe it's a good thing. There may be self-interest in the case of some Jews, but there is also idealism.
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I happen to think this woman is dead wrong, but I don't think she's rubbing her hands together and jumping up and down about destroying the European peoples. She thinks she's doing them a favor by bringing them diversity.
Oh, I'm sure she's got all kinds of clever rationalizations behind her thinking. These rationalizations are evidence of Ashkenazi intelligence. Just like the culture of critique.
It is in thinking these ideas through, in self-critique, that Ashkenazis turn into morons. How convenient!
On the question if hypocrisy: She probably sees Israel as multi-cultural, since it has Jews from all over the world, Arabic Jews, Russian Jews, etc., as well as a large minority of Palestinians.
Yes, Ashkenazis definitely do this. Then they turn around and refer to the multi-cultural diversity of Europeans as "white bread," or some such.
Let's look at the facts:
1. Ashkenazis are smart, either the smartest group, or tied for first, depending on how you define your groups.
2. Ashkenazis think of themselves as the world's greatest victims, so they should be sensitive to ethnic interests.
3. Ashkenazis are ethnocentric, and very aware of their ethno-state Israel.
4. Ashkenazis are highly political, i.e., they pay attention.
Hmmm, is that the formula for a group that can plausibly claim they're doing it for our own good in our home, then turn around and make damn sure it doesn't happen to them in theirs?
They're always sniffing around for the next holocaust, but they haven't a clue that they're perpetrating one on the sly? Gimme a break already. Yes, I think they deceive themselves, but they have no excuse other than their extreme ethnocentrism, their total disregard for others, and their self-serving culture. Yes, they're ignorant, but willfully so. They don't want to know, and if you tell them, they try to smash you.
I also don't see how you can say most people support multicult because they think it's a good thing, when the Ashkenazi and progressive elite will smash them if they don't support the multicult.
P.S., the Nazis were idealists too. I bet they thought they were doing the best thing for everyone, too.
ReplyDeleteI can easily imagine an Ashkenazi thinking, "well, it's going to be painful (and I wouldn't want it done to Jews), but Europeans are too dangerous - we're going to have to mongrelize them down a few pegs, and turn their countries diverse (which will cause a lot of suffering), but it's all to the good in the end," or words to that effect. In his own deluded mind, he's the good guy.
The important bit is to get all of this out in the open, so undeluded minds can really get a good look at the thinking going on and judge the "goodness" and "idealism" for themselves.
Yan Shet complains about the discrimination east Asians endure in America (being allowed into America, being allowed into Harvard, being allowed onto the Harvard B-ball team, etc.), while ignoring discrimination Europeans endure in Taiwan and China (having the door shut in their face; no immigration, no Harvard, no Harvard B-ball team).
ReplyDeleteErgo, Yan Shet is a Chinese racist.
"It's not self-evident to most people, as it is to WNs, that multiculturalism is bad and terrible and evil. Most people who support it - and that includes Jews - do so because they believe it's a good thing. There may be self-interest in the case of some Jews, but there is also idealism. Anti-semitism consists in part of always attributing the basest, most selfish motives to whatever Jews do.
ReplyDeleteI happen to think this woman is dead wrong, but I don't think she's rubbing her hands together and jumping up and down about destroying the European peoples. She thinks she's doing them a favor by bringing them diversity."
Just for the sake of arguement let's assume your right (big assumption). I still don't care. When somebody purposefully sets your house on fire it doesn't matter if they have a good reason or not, the house is still on fire and your still in it.
"P.S., the Nazis were idealists too. I bet they thought they were doing the best thing for everyone, too."
ReplyDeleteDo you want to take a mulligan on that second sentence, or do you really think the Nazis thought they were doing the people they killed a favor?
I stated that saying such things was bigoted and in extremely poor taste.
ReplyDeleteActually, that's not what you wrote. And anyone interested can click on the link themselves to see. For those who aren't interested (enough), I'll provide quotes:
Here's a remarkably harrowing depiction of the kinds of racism that Lin has had to endure.
So he's attending Harvard -- again recently rated the most prestigious university in the world -- and plays on the basketball team, yet we're supposed to believe he's a victim of "racism"?
The next quote:
We've been viciously discriminated against in the past and we continue to be viciously discriminated against even today.
Yes, "viciously discriminated against even today". Question: Do you know what UCLA has come to mean colloquially in some circles? University of Caucasians Lost among Asians.
I could go on.
Some advice for you: Your writing is overwrought, high-schoolish. Formulaic. Tiresome. You're already pretty close to self-parody. And you, yourself, are, as shown here, intellectually dishonest.
Give it a rest.
Anon says:
ReplyDeleteI happen to think this woman is dead wrong, but I don't think she's rubbing her hands together and jumping up and down about destroying the European peoples. She thinks she's doing them a favor by bringing them diversity.
I doubt that she thinks she is doing them a favor by bringing them diversity.
Indeed, I think she is probably very aware that diversity will destroy the host culture and that it is good, at least in the short term, for her people.
If she expresses the view that it is strengthening the host culture by bringing them diversity, she does so to offer an excuse that many in the host culture cannot initially argue against.
In some sense, if the host culture is so weak it deserves its fate. Learn to recognize the bullshit and fight the parasites.
"P.S., the Nazis were idealists too. I bet they thought they were doing the best thing for everyone, too."
ReplyDeleteDo you want to take a mulligan on that second sentence, or do you really think the Nazis thought they were doing the people they killed a favor?
The Ashkenazi focuses like a laser, doesn't he?
No need for a mulligan; if I can buy Ashkenazis as "helpin' folks" with their behavior, I can buy the Nazis doing so too. The Commies, too; gotta break some eggs to make that omelet!
What's interesting is how I never claimed that anti-Asian racism in America today is exclusively perpetrated by whites. I even provided two specific instances of black on Asian racism. As far as I can tell, blacks, whites, and Hispanics in America all discriminate against Asians in a way that Asians don't to these groups in reverse.
ReplyDeleteFor some more excellent Yan Shen:
ReplyDeletehttp://infoproc.blogspot.com/2010/09/more-on-psychometrics.html
Steve Sailer should "go back to being the leader of the rednecks of America". Sailer is also "happy to pander to the riffraff of society."
For some reason he has a real hard-on about Sailer saying, "the guy comes off as just being a complete douchebag in general, someone who seems to lack any normal degree of sociability."
I'm not normally one to talk about projection, but to me Sailer comes off as a pretty genial guy in general. Anyway, there's lots more over there.
Nope, Amren never posted my comment. Still a "no inconvenient facts about Israel or Ashkenazis allowed" policy there.
ReplyDeleteStated Amren comment guidelines:
ReplyDeleteWe welcome comments that add information or perspective, and we encourage polite debate. Statements of fact and well-considered opinion are welcome, but we will not post comments that include obscenities or insults, whether of groups or individuals. We reserve the right to hold our critics to lower standards.
Actual Amren comment policy:
We welcome comments that add information or perspective, and we encourage polite debate. Statements of fact and well-considered opinion are welcome, but we will not post comments that include obscenities or insults, whether of groups or individuals. We reserve the right to hold our critics to lower standards.
And no inconvenient facts about Ashkenazis or Israel are allowed, no matter how germane; in addition, all comments about Ashkenazis or Israel must have an approving tone toward same
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Yan Shet, Asians do discriminate against Europeans in ways Europeans don't discriminate against Asians. They bar the doors to their countries, refuse reciprocity, and generally engage in a "what's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine too" policy.
(part of not being a rude, mendacious, socially retarded guest like Yan Shet is making an effort to understand the host's norms; if you don't want to be given the bum's rush like Mr. Shet, don't juxtapose black, white, and Asian, any more than a white person would juxtapose yellow, black, and European)
Yan Shet, I thought it over and I've been unnecessarily harsh toward you. I apologize most humbly.
ReplyDeleteYou are a Chinese racist and supremacist through and through, and while I am only an ethnopatriot and not a supremacist, I should learn to be more receptive toward our non-white fellow travelers.
What's interesting is how I never claimed that anti-Asian racism in America today is exclusively perpetrated by whites. - Yan Shen
ReplyDeleteIt's notable and laudable that you didn't lie to smear whites in that particular way, but it doesn't go all that far.
I even provided two specific instances of black on Asian racism.
Way more than most leftists; also laudable.
As far as I can tell, blacks, whites, and Hispanics in America all discriminate against Asians in a way that Asians don't to these groups in reverse.
And as far as I can tell, the only organized movement willing to tell the truth about anti-Asian discrimination is the anti-affirmative action movement - your creepy right-wing foes. The only groups consistently telling the facts on black-on-Asian violence are either explicitly pro-Asian or explicitly pro-white. To me that is telling. What does it mean to you?
And if I go scouring explicitly pro-Asian groups for information on black-on-white violence, what do you think I will find?
I don't know if you consider this ad hominem or not; you didn't respond to my Tarim Valley point but maybe you'll deign to reply here.
Gratitude defined:
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I would say the game is pretty well over.
and part 2:
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They actually included the link to this article (the first part) in the USCIS daily news briefs on the USCIS internal email system. Couldn't believe somebody had cojones to include this amidst the usual baby-waving and 'poor innocent student' articles.
Janus said...
ReplyDeleteFor some more excellent Yan Shen:
Yan Shen complaining about Steve Sailer
It is funny that Yan Shen goes to great pains to claim that s/he never makes racially disparaging remarks, at least generally, while making disparaging remarks about some sub-groups of Whites, at least.
As someone who speaks some Cantonese and Mandarin and is often around Chinese born outside the US, I often hear remarks about blacks and Mexicans by Chinese that would be regarded as seriously racist is uttered by whites in English. They don't actually bother me that much ... but Yan Shen's holier-than-thou attitude is interesting.
"It is funny that Yan Shen goes to great pains to claim that s/he never makes racially disparaging remarks, at least generally, while making disparaging remarks about some sub-groups of Whites, at least."
ReplyDeleteWell, since Yan Shen has pronounced "White trash" not to be an ethnic slur (because he has decided that it doesn't apply to *all* Whites) then "Asian trash in America" is not a racial slur, either, because I'm obviously not talking about Chinese rice-paddy farmers still residing in China.
So Mr. Shen, the quintessential example of Asian trash in America, could have no possible objection to my referring to him and the rest of his coethnics in America in such manner. All very polite; very reasonable. Right?
"Janus said...
ReplyDeleteFor some more excellent Yan Shen:
Yan Shen complaining about Steve Sailer"
Thanks for the link to Stephen Hsu's web-site. I saw that Yan Shen is attempting to maintain the high intellectual standards he expects of blogs such as this one or Mr. Hsu's by throwing around epithets like "douchebag". Apparently that's acceptable for him to do, but if any of the rest of us do it, it shows us to be unlettered, unwashed louts, who beat our wives, and drink moonshine out of pickle jars.
No double standard here. Steve Sailer doesn't censor his comments for racial slurs or threats against other ethnic groups. Mangan does. In response to being insulted with racial slurs on Sailer's blog, I stated that some of his readers were white trash. I think this is a fair and reasonable characterization for a group of people who would use explicit racial slurs without provocation.
ReplyDeleteSteve Sailer's blog is more or less a free for all, where he permits his readers to say almost anything. Given that kind of environment, it's impossible to maintain proper decorum at all times and with respect to everyone. Since Mangan has explicitly stated that he wants reasoned discussion on his blog, rather than gross bigotry, I've tried to keep the discussion here as civil as possible.
Asian trash isn't a racial slur and if someone were to refer to me as such, I wouldn't be particularly offended by it.
Yan Shen is right when he says that Mangan censors comments that include racial slurs and threats against other ethnic groups. Dennis deleted a comment of mine about Shen the other day for that very reason which I think was very, hmmmm, arrrr, noble, forgiving, of Dennis :-)
ReplyDeletePersonally, to paraphrase what I said about Shen, I value his continued commentary and hope that every White Man's bile is riled by him. No matter what I'd like to do with that Shen crunt, no matter how much I'd like to see an "awakening", of sorts that takes on a non metaphorical or mere verbalised form, about those who speak of me and mine like he does, I want his comments out there for me to not only learn new arguments against his type but also to feel the solidarity of a collective racial consciousness of what we are up against.
I value Shen for how honestly angry he makes us all feel. Shen is showing the truth of our future, the reality that awaits our children. His comments should encourage us to coalesce in a combined effort to throw of the Judaic inspired multi-culti dogma and seek our ethnic self preservation. Yan Shens are all around us and more and more want to migrate and destroy us.
Long may his comments reign.
Steve Sailer doesn't censor his comments for racial slurs or threats against other ethnic groups
ReplyDeleteYes he does.
Your chronic dishonesty is getting tedious.
You know, I've never even explicitly stated that I want America to become an open door for anyone who wants to arrive. I just stated my belief that whites don't have a moral justification for declaring America to be a whites only nation.
ReplyDeleteI think that any reasonable person should be concerned about low IQ third world immigration in general. But then again, there are plenty of low IQ people regardless of race, and I've never advocated kicking out the low IQ people who were already here to begin with.
To be honest, I would probably be fine with keeping America the way it currently is, in terms of racial and demographic proportions. For the most part I enjoy the fruits of American racial diversity, whether it's entertaining black athletes or dominating Indian American spelling bee winners. And as a passionate foodie, I think that the full gamut of culinary diversity in America is splendid.
There's definitely a soft spot in my heart of high IQ immigration, regardless of race. I think that reasonable quotas should be allocated for such people to come to America. Dennis has been right to point out that much of the legal and illegal immigration today consists of the less than cognitively stellar, and certainly this is a legitimate worry. All of the demographic projections I've seen indicate that the Hispanic population will double percentage wise over the next three and a half decades and that the total black and Hispanic population will be around 45% or so around that time period. I'm not necessarily convinced that this is going to be a real problem for American in the future, though my opinion could change given the passage of time. All in all, I'd say that things are fairly good in this nation. Would anyone care to disagree?
B Lode. Let's be honest here. The white nationalist community doesn't point out black on Asian crime in order to do Asians any favors. If it were up to them, there would be no Asians in the United States. They do it in order to criticize the behavior of blacks.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, I point out black on Asian racism not to denigrate any group in particular. I believe in universal fairness. Bigotry against any group of people is unacceptable, regardless of who the perpetrators and victims are. In the past, I've also pointed out black on white racism and called out people for not reacting to it appropriately.
Well, at least you replied.
ReplyDeleteI believe in universal fairness. Bigotry against any group of people is unacceptable
ReplyDeleteNo doubt you have long been objecting to the unfairness inherent in the lack of openness in Asian countries. The world won't be a just place until China is a minority Chinese country. Right?
There is mass-immigration of non-Whites in to White nations because a very large percentage of Whites refuse to do any kind of menial/manual labor whatsoever, even just a few short hours per week. So White nations have no choice but to import other people to do it.
ReplyDeleteIt's that simple.
I just stated my belief that whites don't have a moral justification for declaring America to be a whites only nation.
ReplyDeleteDoes your statement imply that some other groups do have a right to an ethnically homogeneous nation, i.e. perhaps the Han Chinese in China?
Why don't whites have "moral justification"? 'Cuz you said so?
Why don't you just be honest with us and just admit that expressions of white ethnocentrism are bad for you and thus your proclamations of racial universalism for historically white nations is really just an expression of self-interest and group-interest? We're honest enough to admit our intentions here.
You want to keep the immigration floodgates open (though at least you're nice enough to only flood us with high-IQ and aggressively ethnocentric Indians and Chinese) because it would render irrelevant all those pesky whites who are just chomping at the bit to say mean things about Chinese people. God forbid that a NASCAR-attending redneck might call you a "chink" if he happened to see you on the street! The horror!
Yan Shen, assuming he is really Chinese, reads more like one of the many Jewish intellectuals in The Culture of Critique that rationalized their support for dispossession of whites in the language of moral universalism while hypocritically supporting (either explicitly or implicitly by their silence on the matter) ethnic homogeneity in their home nation (Israel).
There is mass-immigration of non-Whites in to White nations because a very large percentage of Whites refuse to do any kind of menial/manual labor whatsoever, even just a few short hours per week. So White nations have no choice but to import other people to do it.
ReplyDeleteI noticed that your comment lacked any sort of supporting citations.
You know, those mounds of polling data that shows that the masses of whites who have been laid off from their manufacturing jobs because of outsourcing suddenly don't want to do back-breaking labor anymore, or data that shows that young white kids would rather be dependent on their parents instead of gaining some financial independence by getting a menial job over the summer.
It certainly has NOTHING to do with the fact that corporations would rather pay a pittance for an illegal mestizo day laborer instead of a living wage to White man who has been here for generations that demands a living wage for his family and children.
Yeah, sooooo simple!
Bigotry against any group of people is unacceptable...
ReplyDeleteShen, why is it unacceptable? Are you referring to irrational racism with the term "bigotry" or rational racism?
In any case, what's so bad about bigotry that makes it universally unacceptable? If it is universally unacceptable, shouldn't you go to other countries where forms of bigotry are far more egregious than they are in the West and fight it with all your might? I think everyone here would support you in your cause and wish you a bon voyage and every success in your endeavours. May I recommend Sudan as your first port of call.
"Yan Shen said...
ReplyDeleteNo double standard here. Steve Sailer doesn't censor his comments for racial slurs or threats against other ethnic groups."
That is false. Steve does censor posts. And I don't ever recall seeing coarse racial epithets used at his website.
"To be honest, I would probably be fine with keeping America the way it currently is, in terms of racial and demographic proportions. For the most part I enjoy the fruits of American racial diversity, whether it's entertaining black athletes or dominating Indian American spelling bee winners. And as a passionate foodie, I think that the full gamut of culinary diversity in America is splendid."
Hey, that's mighty white of ya', but to many of us, this nation isn't just a sporting competition, a spelling bee, or a special on the Food Channel. It is a nation, and our home.
"All in all, I'd say that things are fairly good in this nation. Would anyone care to disagree?"
Yes, I would, you insouciant twit. This country, in which I was born and raised, is today almost unrecognizable to me. It is far worse then it was then. Its industry has been hollowed out, much of its wealth squandered, its money devalued, its core people diluted, and its public and private morals dismantled. Not all of this is due to immigration, though some of it is. In any event, I don't care if you find America-the-shopping-mall entertaining. Entertain yourself elsewhere.