Tuesday, August 3, 2010

Curing Chronic Fatigue: My Story

Here's something most of you didn't know about me: for the past 11 years, I've suffered from severe chronic fatigue. Yet in the past couple of months, I've gone through a remarkable transformation, and am now at the point where, while I'm not totally out of the woods yet, I feel that I'm on the road to a cure, or at least a normal life. (Right now it's rather difficult to discern how a man in his mid 50s who's been ill for over a decade is supposed to feel.) Hopefully, this post may help some others.

My story as well as what I believe underlies chronic fatigue syndrome is long and involved, and would (maybe will) require many blog posts, so I'll just outline the basics here and perhaps write more later. While I've had a very understanding doctor for the past 8 years, my cure has been by my own hands, accomplished through reading the scientific/medical literature, puzzling things out, and taking the appropriate action. I've read hundreds of journal articles on anything I thought relevant, but for now I'll omit references.

Before I became ill in 1999, I was a super-fit, distance-running vegetarian, which I now believe set me down the road to health disaster. Those who perform endurance exercise are over-represented among sufferers of chronic fatigue. From what I know now about protein and glutathione metabolism, how the gut functions, and a lot more, I believe that vegetarianism will also predispose to this illness.

Chronic fatigue (CFS) is characterized physiologically by oxidative stress and inflammation. Once that is understood, one can try to correct these. One of the main causes or components of CFS appears to leaky gut syndrome, as I learned from Michael Maes. Several of his papers detail how this can be treated. In my opinion - well, almost all of this is my opinion - a paleo style, low carb diet is essential. High insulin levels caused by the Standard American Diet (SAD) wreak havoc on metabolism and cause inflammation, something to be avoided at all costs. In addition, many components of the SAD, such as wheat, cause or aggravate leaky gut.

The proximate cause of fatigue in the case of CFS seems to be malfunctioning mitochondria, the organelles commonly referred to as the cell's powerhouses. Oxidative stress causes malfunction, and in turn the malfunction increases oxidative stress, leading to a vicious cycle from which it's hard to leave. So it appears that the key is to treat both the oxidative stress and mitochondrial malfunction simultaneously. This I've done through diet and supplementation.

The supplements I've found useful, if not required, include n-acetylcysteine, coenzyme Q-10, l-methylfolate, methylcobalamin, iodine, zinc, magnesium, creatine, and trimethylglycine. (Update: Paul Jaminet and others reminded me through comments of some others I inadvertently left out: vitamin D, omega-3 oils, and resveratrol. The first two at least are essential, and resveratrol may very well be. Thyroid normalization is also essential.) You can search these terms for voluminous explanations of each. Several of these are involved in the methylation cycle, and others directly aid mitochondrial function.

I went on a primal/paleo diet about two years ago, and many of the supplements I've taken for a long time - and I've tried many other supplements and meds over the many years of my illness - so one thing I started recently appears to be of key importance (so far as I can tell): whey protein. It's become clear to me that, despite what you'll read in the mainstream, relatively high protein in the diet is all for the good, making just about every physiological process perform closer to the optimum. (The right (high) amount and kind of dietary fats appear to be just as important, but that will have to wait.)

Two months ago I started hitting the gym and lifting weights for the first time since my illness, and I've gained ten pounds of mostly muscle. (I've been quite thin in the recent past, and have a way to go on that score.) I take whey protein and branched chain amino acids at least twice daily, along with my other supplements, and eat meat, eggs, and/or dairy at every meal. I no longer take vitamin R (by prescription, of course), which helped me function during my illness but which I'm now doing well without.

All of this I've outlined requires much more elucidation. Also, keep in mind that much of this is my interpretation, that virtually every authority in this area says that the causes and cure of CFS are unknown, as well as that there may indeed be multiple causes of CFS for which my prescriptions won't work. However, all modesty aside, I feel that I may have discovered something important. The illness which drove me to the edge of disability and, I'll admit, despair, appears to be in retreat.

55 comments:

  1. Fascinating. Glad you're feeling better.

    Since I cured a chronic illness with diet and antibiotics, I've come to believe that infections play a big role in these conditions. I didn't have chronic fatigue -- my condition was more neurological and cognitive -- but did have weakness/slowness. I was also a runner and the sicker I got, the more I slowed down, until I was getting passed by 80-year-old women while sprinting.

    Many people who have chronic infections also have chronic fatigue, and the illness generally begins in the gut. (In my case, a long course of antibiotics started things off.) Leaky gut promotes chronic infections, and many of the supplements you've found helpful are involved in the immune response. Iodine and glutathione are especially important for extracellular infections, vitamin D and N-acetylcysteine for intracellular infections. Whey helps the gut recover.

    Some of the things that helped me may be found at http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=134.

    Will look forward to hearing more of your story.

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  2. That is really good news. I'm happy for your success. I suffered from horrible infected eczema for several years when I was younger and was told by doctors that no one knew what caused it, but that there was no reason to think it was related to diet...then I cut out dairy products and was literally cured in a week. My faith in the efficacy of standard medical information was shaken forever, and my faith that one could find solutions to one's own health problems -- and that they are usually diet-related -- was established and has been proven justified over time. Things like reducing my cholesterol by eating paleo instead of takins statins.

    Anyway, sounds like yet one more success for the paleo approach.

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  3. Paul Jaminet: Bruce Charlton had sent me a link to your blog awhile back, so I've read some of it already. The post you linked is an excellent summary, many things you wrote about I left out for space reasons or simply forgot about, vitamin D and omega-3 for instance. You also mention thyroid - I've been on thyroid meds for over 20 years now, and autophagy, crucially important as you say. The ketogenic diet seems to have been a big help to as well.

    MnMark: I've been extreemely disappointed with most doctors. The extent of their ignorance is only matched by their certainty that they know it all.

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  4. If there's a failure in mitochondrial functioning, I wonder if you haven't tried resveratrol as a supplement?

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  5. Yes, I take 200 mg resveratrol daily, and I believe it very useful.

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  6. ...one could find solutions to one's own health problems. -MnMark

    I think this is becoming more apparent. There is no one solution for all people, of all ages, of all races and so on. It is a very individual thing and people have to work out what is best for them, constantly conducting n=1 type experiments on themselves.
    That said, I too follow the Paleo/resistance exercise approach and have found it very successful. Fatigue and vague melancholy return when I start indulging in too many carbs.

    I found resveratrol made me bruise very easily so I gave it up.

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  7. Did you ever have your VMax(peak O2 consumption) tested? That is a good, non invasive way to accuratelyasess mitochondrial function.

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  8. We were short of inspiration this evening so we drove to the chipper and had Haddock 'n' Chips. Very good it was. After we got home my dessert was gathered by walking to a local hedge and scoffing plums. That sounds at least semi- cavemanish, don't you think?

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  9. I have what is essentially a dietary allergy, inherited from my father. In brief, around the age of 30, each of us found that we couldn't eat seeds anymore, or anything made from them - wheat, pepper, beans, coffee, chocolate, corn, rice ... Even trace amounts cause problems. This forces us to rely instead on meat, leafy vegetables, dairy, and some potatoes. De facto, we are forced into something very similar to a paleo diet. Nuts are out, but that's the one exception.

    It's amazing what an improvement in my overall health this created. I can't eat all the yummy bread products in the supermarket; when I want something sweet, I have to make it myself, by hand. So I never overdose. (I do make pretty good potato-flour pancakes though.) It also has enforced a certain discipline in my life, which I needed.

    Dad was down to around 100 pounds before he figured out what was going on, by trial and error elimination of stuff from his diet. The doctors had no idea.

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  10. Dennis your one of my favorite bloggers, I'm glad to hear about your turnaround and wish you continued good health.

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  11. It's good to know you're feeling better. I was under the impression that CFS sufferers were primarily female; is that incorrect? Since vegetarianism seems to have been a fad for young girls in particular since the '70s, there might be a connection.

    What your post and most of the subsequent comments say to me merely reinforces something I've believed for some time. We are truly in charge of our own health. Whereas to a doctor "prevention" means expensive and high-tech tests, to me it means healthy lifestyle (I have better and worse times adhering to this, admittedly). Common sense, moderate cardio/weights, and reducing the intake of processed food while increasing certain nutrients and amino acids not provided for in the standard multivitamin.

    Anyhow, congratulations on your improved health.

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  12. I've been battling non-specific mito disease myself. I was put on L-caratine (fatty acid metabolism). Have you tried that?

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  13. The Plague DoctorAug 3, 2010 02:32 PM

    Interesting, I never would have guessed.

    You probably don't remember, but I posted here a long while ago (under a different name) regarding my own CFS (and depression).

    I have recently posted a (very) brief outline of my own experiences on Danny Roddy's blog. I am thinking of starting my own blog about this (but my misanthropy has reached astronomic proportions); what do you think?

    Summarily, my CFS first got better in the first few months doing a ("paleolithic") zero-carb diet, but my digestive problems immediately increased after starting. Then after several months, my digestive problems got MUCH, MUCH worse. I found out this was due to hypochlorhydria.

    I think hypochlorhydria is a MAJOR overlooked cause of ill health. It does not matter if you are eating the 'perfect' diet (if there is such a thing), if you are not digesting things properly. Hypochorhydria causes malabsorption of protein and micronutrients, increased risk of stomach cancer, bacterial overgrowth in the stomach and intestines, autoimmune diseases (such as in my case) and a host of other problems. You might enjoy reading Jonathan Wright's book: it is quite damning of the state of doctors and pharma (regarding stomach acid).

    The usual treatment of hypochlorhydria is supplementation with betaine HCl, but I think I have just quite recently discovered the root cause of hypochlorhydria: it is exactly the same as that of CFS! Mitochondrial dysfunction. Thank you Sarah Myhill! (The medical bastards are trying to grind her down; can you believe it?)

    I will repost my comment here (minus typos I could find in the original).

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    I probably have one of the most ludicrously extreme backstories; I almost outdid Lex with his month-long fast. Briefly: Irritable Bowel Syndrome, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, rabbit starvation, bloating, eructation, vomiting, bleeding and receding gums, diarrhea, constipation, abnormal slimy silver-colored feces, bubbly urine, HUGE bizarre skin rashes with the pictures to prove it (the dermatologist literally said he had never seen anything like it), hyperpigmentation spots, cherry angioma, hiatal hernia, multiple autoimmune diseases, bone deformity (hypocalcemia perhaps), hair loss, near-starvation weight loss, water retention, huge stretch marks, lack of sleep, headaches, muscle aches, PAIN, PAIN, and more PAIN, and the list goes on. Doctors did not do anything to help me; I had to figure everything out by myself. I am not exaggerating when I say I would have gladly traded the last two years of fear, uncertainty, severe pain, poor health, financial problems, humiliation and suicidal depression for a holiday in Auschwitz. I was thinking of starting a blog to document my experiences, but am feeling mightily misanthropic at the moment. What do you think?

    I actually previously had Irritable Bowel Syndome (which is apparently more common with those with CFS), and slight chronic fatigue (but not Chronic Fatigue Syndrome) and slight hairloss for years. But I got severe chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) in 2008, after the worst flu of my life (mononucleosis), after which my IBS worsened by about a factor 2. A preceding period of excessive exercise, poor diet, alcohol use (I normally never drink alcohol), an erratic sleep schedule, and stress probably were also contributing factors that triggered the CFS. After about a year of worsening health, I decided to start zero-carbing in 2009 after reading some testimonials. (I started same age as the Bear and as Danny, if I am not mistaken.)

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  14. OK then, but where's the Jew angle in this post? =)

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  15. The Plague DoctorAug 3, 2010 02:33 PM

    I had tried lots of different supplements for CFS, as recommended by various people. For example, Dr. Sarah Myhill recommends a supplement protocol for treating CFS, which she nicked from cardiologist Dr. Stephen Sinatra, which includes co-enzyme Q10, L-carnitine, niacin, D-ribose and magnesium. (Sarah Myhill writes: "acetyl L-carnitine [is] also available through eating red meat, especially mutton, lamb, beef and pork - but to get 2 grams you need to eat about a pound of meat a day!" Who would be so crazy as to a eat a pound of meat per day?! Har har har!) With every supplement I used the question "Does this occur naturally in meat?" as a rule of thumb to determine whether I needed a supplement, because I disagreed with some of supplements people recommended, such as megadoses of vitamin C, which are not natural in a carnivorous diet. As carnitine, Q10, and niacin (also from tryptophane, and in beef liver) are all found in large amounts in an all-meat diet, I had started using Q10, L-carnitine, and a B-complex from Puritans Pride, among other things. Because ribose does not occur in meat (except in trace amounts), and because it is a carbohydrate, I avoided it.

    My chronic fatigue syndrome somehow got better after a few months of zero-carb, but strangely, the maldigestion problems got worse and worse by order of magnitude (I don't have an explanation for this). Zero-carb didn't help me in this regard at all. After months of physical torture, the maldigestion thread on ZIOH finally helped me to figure out I needed HCl.

    After a while I figured out that I could take as much as 70 betaine HCl capsules per meal without problems; 80 to 100 caused stronger burning sensations of varying degrees of strength. The most I ever took was 144 (don't ask...). I could swallow 20 capsules on an empty stomach without feeling anything. Recall that the pH scale is logarithmic (with base 10): multiplying the concentration of HCl [by a factor of 10] decreases the pH by 1 point. A 5% solution of betaine HCl is approximately 8 tablets of 648 mg dissolved in 100 ml water. If it is the case that a "5% solution of Betaine HCl has a pH of 1", then 80 capsules have a pH of 0. As a reference point, the pH of an empty stomach is about 1, like a car battery, and food buffers the acidity by about 2-3 pH points upward.

    But what is truly more insane is that the gastroenterologist literaly said "I don't believe you have hypochlorhydria"! Both gastroeterologists I visited did not even know what hypochlorhydria was, and didn't test for it; So much for specialists! I could not believe it, but it was just like Dr. Jonathan Wright describes in his excellent book: stomach pH testing and supplemental HCl has fallen in disrepute among doctors apparently because pharmaceutical companies make millions of profit from stomach acid inhibitors.

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  16. The Plague DoctorAug 3, 2010 02:34 PM

    In the past months, I have been reading all the books and web sites on hypochlorhydria I could get my hands on. As I almost died from malnutrition before I figured out what was going on, hypochlorhydria has (unfortunately) become of the utmost importance to me (as you can imagine). I became way too fatigued to participate in any forum discussions but I was avidly reading everything. That's when I stumbled upon these series of articles by Dr. Jonathan Prousky (1, 2, 3).

    These articles implicate mitochondrial dysfunction as the cause of hypochlorhydria. Since my stomach problems really worsened after I got CFS, and mitochondrial dysfunction is suspected to be the cause of CFS, I (belatedly) decided to resume the ENTIRE recommended supplement protocol for CFS, this time including megadoses of nicotonic acid AND ribose (plus a good B-100 complex): I started using 3 g of nicotinic acid spread throughout the day as well 20 g of ribose spread throughout the day.

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

    Within about 2 weeks I could drop the needed HCl from about 70 capsules to almost zero!

    I tried quitting the ribose for a week to see if helped. Within a week my stomach symptoms (eructation, slimy greasy feces, red eyes after eating, etc.) retured. When I added back the ribose again, the symptoms disappeared within a week again. Amazing!

    However, by this time it was discovered that I had highly elevated liver enzymes, so I quit the nicotinic acid entirely, while still continuing the ribose. This time, my symptoms slowly returned after two weeks. I felt a burn at 50 capsules instead of 70, so maybe the ribose was helping somewhat. I then decided I would start using niacinamide 3 g per day instead of nicotinic acid, as several sources claim pure niacinamide is not harmful to the liver (1, 2, 3). I will need to retest in a few weeks. (I also added an NAD supplement, but this is too expensive to use long term.)

    I just started this week with the niacinamide and my eructation has ceased again, but I still need HCl so it is to early to tell. I am keeping my fingers crossed, as I don't know what will happen. I now believe the root cause of hypochlorhydria is the same as the root cause of CFS: mitochondrial dysfunction.

    (See also Chronic fatigue syndrome and mitochondrial dysfunction and Lack of Stomach Acid - Hypochlorhydria - Can Cause Lots of Problems)

    I would recommend following the entire supplement protocol recommended by Sarah Myhill, but personally, niacin and ribose were the only things that helped me, so it was due to NAD deficiency. Niacin alone did not help me, and ribose alone did not help me, but the combination did. I read that the body also requires ribose for the synthesis of NAD, so that might be the reason. Normally the body manufactures ribose itself from glucose, but somehow this mechanism is malfunctioning in me. [It is probably a vicious cycle, as you need NAD to synthesize ATP from ribose, and you need ribose/ATP to synthesize NAD from niacin.]

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  17. For anyone else contemplating this, I too drink daily whey protein shakes (Optimum Nutrition b/c it's the cheapest) and take daily omega-3 and vitamin D, along with a multivitamin.

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  18. Dennis, you're the best! I admire your persistence.

    I have been trying to treat Chronic Grouchy Right-Winger Syndrome for ten months myself. Back in aught-nine I tripped over a disparate impact and since then my hip's been acting up.

    But seriously, your article had me wishing I could remember what I learned about mitochondria in college. You and OneSTDV seem to be on the same wavelength re. diet and exercise, by the way.

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  19. That's fantastic! You should've called me though, can't believe I had to find out the good news on the internet!

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  20. There's a section on CFS in Elaine Showalter's "Hystories". That was the first time I heard that it was the same thing as "fibromyalgia".

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  21. I started on a paleolithic diet because you blogged about it. At first, I rejected the idea, but then I figured I would try it because I agreed with the political angle of your blog. I'm thankful that I tried it because it cured my acne.

    Two suggestions: You should try eliminating dairy and whey protein and see if you notice a difference. Some on the paleo diet notice a difference. Personally, I find that ANY dairy causes acne. Second, a caution on zinc supplementation. Zinc supplementation can lead to copper deficiency and dementia. In the Dietary Cure for Acne, Loren Cordain recommends a maximum of 25 mg/ day for long term zinc supplementation.

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  22. Aunt Laurel: Everyone finds out everything these days on the internet! Or so I hear.

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  23. Imagine that you an MD providing primary care. You know by training and experience that at least 50% of the complaints you hear about will go away entirely on their own. You are also aware that the placebo effect is massive even for home remedies. You know that things like CFS cannot be reliably ruled in or ruled out and are basically impossible to differentiate from the simple depression which is epidemic amongst the complaining demographic.
    Finally, you are dead certain that your patients will rant about how clueless modern medicine is.
    Then you will remember how little primary care is compensated compared to just about anything, including plumbing-work.
    He/she wants to punch patients in the nose just about every day but refrains because any day now the new job injecting botox for 400 dollars an hour is about to open up.

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  24. Excellent news...keep up the remarkable progress! Vitamin D was mentioned, and it's far more important than most people can imagine. The supplement should be D3 without oil. As far as the medical profession, physicians are still only required to take under 20 hours of nutrition. That being said, there are physicians who seek out this information on their own so that when it's possible, they can help patients with the cause and the symptoms of disease.

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  25. Here is a nice thought experiment: Imagine that one morning you woke up to discover that you were a credentialed Medical Doctor with a clinic full of self designated CFS suffers. And you had your ideas about how to treat it. And so you listen to their stories and do whatever tests you have in mind. Then you prescribe their (your) treatment. But here is the catch. Only one half get the treatment and the other half gets sugar water in the same impressive looking bottle.
    Two months later they start coming back. You examine them all. Then the great overseer says, "If you can identify the treated ones you will be given a Nobel Prize; if you cannot you will be shot before the next sunrise.
    Don't you feel the sweat beading up on your brow? Don't you feel the doubt creeping in? You are not really sure about any of this, are you?
    If you cannot handle this kind of thing you should never go to Medical School.

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  26. "This forces us to rely instead on meat, leafy vegetables, dairy, and some potatoes." My own prejudice runs in favour of fish too: plaice, sole, kipper, haddock, cod, cod roe, crab, shrimp, prawn, salmon(smoked), mussels, trout, mackerel(smoked) etc. I'd eat lobster too but my wife is allergic to it. I also enjoy root vegetables - carrot, turnip, radish, parsnip, Jerusalem artichoke. And I have found deep pleasure in feeding off hedgerows - not only grazing on raspberries, brambles, plums and rosehips, but preserving too - sloe gin is a balm to the soul. If anyone would care to point out flaws in this part of my diet, I should be happy to listen.

    P.S And I forgot to say congratulations to Dennis, hereby (I hope) repaired.

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  27. "ketogenic diet"

    As an experiment, for just over a week, I ate a near-zero carbohydrate/ high fat and protein diet - and found the smell of ketones on my breath and the taste in my mouth was simply unbearable.

    Does this go away after a while? does one get used to it? or does it result in people backing-away and gagging when someone on a ketotic diet enters the room? ;=).

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  28. Do you drink coffee?

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  29. Dennis, I am very happy to hear your news. I plan to follow up with my own research on topics you and the commenters mentioned.

    I hope you will not become less of a reactionary as a side effect of your self-treatment, though.

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  30. A high protein diet (and that seems to be what the paleo diet is) carries a risk of kidney damage. Are there ways of getting around that?

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  31. bgc: I never noticed anything like that while eating ketogenic. Maybe my best friends wouldn't tell me...

    Yes, I do drink coffee. How anyone can function without it, or tea, is beyond me.

    Thank you to all the well-wishers, it's very much appreciated. In re-reading my post, I realize how abbreviated it is as an explanation of anything, but I had to start somewhere, so there it is.

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  32. So glad to hear you are feeling better, Dennis! :-)

    Someone in my family has CFS (or something) -- but, as you say, CFS is probably several conditions that are currently lumped into a single "diagnosis".

    If/when you post more about this (I'd be one of your readers that would be interested in learning more about your condition/cure), could you, please, tell us exactly what your symptoms were? Would be useful for my family member to know when reading about your self-cure. Thanks so much!

    Stay better! :-)

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  33. Dear Dennis,
    Just released from ten days in ICU, I am happy we are both on the mend.

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  34. I have suffered from adult onset eczema and fatigue. When the eczema is bad, I wish for death. When the fatigue is bad, I dread life.

    I have basically cured the eczema through 12g (30%) fish oil per day. I take 6g with breakfast and 6g with dinner. With breakfast I take a cranberry supplement and a liver detox supplement (Dr Radek brand from Czech Republic). With dinner I add 25mg of zinc chelate and take the liver supplement. The effects of 12g vs 5g of fish oil cannot be overstated. Five grams did nothing, but 12g is far more effective than even triamcinolone cream. I went from using ~300g triamcinolone in about three weeks to using ~300g/year despite a massive increase in my use of hand sanitizer which dries the skin.

    For fatigue, I have recently added 6g L-Lysine per day to fantastic effect. The product tastes terrible, and I have to stare at my cup for a minute before downing it, but it seems to work wonderfully. I mix the raw amino with a homemade batch of sucralose and malodextrin and commercial grade flavor. I am going to start capping the product this week, but that is a bit of a hassle. For those interested, L-Lysine is a treatment for herpes outbreaks which can result from increased arginine levels. From my experience with workout supplements, I am highly certain that arginine results in significant inflammation for just a single serving of No-Xplode would cause a severe eczema breakout.

    Maybe someone else can try the L-Lysine approach and report back. The dose is 6g. A great place to buy it is purebulk.com. I buy my fish oil from bulknaturaloils.com. To flavor the L-Lysine look for a red raspberry drink stick from Target; they work pretty well; you can also order bulk flavoring from TradeIndia. Or you can encapsulate yourself. I think capsuline has the most efficient manual encapsulators. I hope that doesn't sound like a commercial, but people need to know where to buy things; that is one of the hardest aspects of nutrition.

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  35. if this has been mentioned or you are presently using be sure to take significant quanties of B12 and/or folic acid w/o which cell metabolism doesn't happen.

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  36. I want to thank everyone who posted here about their medical problems. It really helps with my view of self. I have a couple fatal diseases and a number of painful affictions, but I'm better off than you guys. It puts me in mind of La Rochefoucauld's aphorism.

    BTW I had heart burn all my life until I went on a low carb Adkin's like diet. Never again. Lost 80 ponds too.

    Albertosaurus

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  37. I have a couple fatal diseases ... but I'm better off than you guys.


    Just how badly off do you think we are?

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  38. Albertosaurus,

    What happened to your 80 ponds? Did they dry up?

    And which La Rochefoucauld aphorism? (They're all great!)

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  39. Enjoyed this post, Dennis. Curious, did any Dr. ever recommend provigil or is it something you took or considered taking?

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  40. I would note that I suffer from Rosacea, a disease little understood. More recently, some have come to believe it's a partly gut bacteria issue, partly leaky gut sort of thing. The bacteria over-respond to carbs, causing inflammatory (to rosceans) substances to pass into the bloodstream, leading to the particular skin response oberved in rosaceans. I know I exist much better rosacea-wise on a low-carb diet.

    Story is, I expect a lot of stuff with unknown origins to be revealed as gut bacteria or gut related in origin in the future.

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  41. Your sincerity in talking about health issues is appreciated, but why all those antioxidants ? How increased oxidative stress promotes longevity and metabolic health:The concept of mitochondrial hormesis (mitohormesis)

    The exercise stress will be even more beneficial without all the pill popping.

    Here is the latest bad news about vitamin D supplementation Circulating 25-Hydroxyvitamin D and Risk of Pancreatic Cancer

    "Clinically relevant 25(OH)D cutpoints were compared with a referent category of 50–<75 nmol/L. No significant associations were observed for participants with lower 25(OH)D status. However, a high 25(OH)D concentration (100 nmol/L) was associated with a statistically significant 2-fold increase in pancreatic cancer risk overall (odds ratio = 2.12, 95% confidence interval: 1.23, 3.64). Given this result, recommendations to increase vitamin D concentrations in healthy persons for the prevention of cancer should be carefully considered."

    As I'm sure you know 100 nmol/L or 40 ng/ml is less than most ‘experts’ are currently recommending as the optimal minimum.

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  42. What antioxidants? I've written on the antioxidant issue before, and I'm against them. The only thing that remotely qualifies from my list is zinc, which is a required nutrient. NAC replenishes glutathione, resveratrol is a CR mimic.

    I might listen to your vitamin D paranoia if you knew what an antioxidant was. Virtually all the evidence points to vitamin D deficiency as a huge risk factor for cancer.

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  43. You should see doctors in socialized medicine... I think my government is doing it on purpose to cut costs - make healthcare so bad that people simply stop going. I simply go to the doctor if I need something for which I have to have a prescription. Otherwise, they're useless.

    And yes, I guess doctors in diverse societies have a tougher job.

    AngloAmerikan, a part of the melancholy thing is genetic. I noticed Nordic people are more prone to it and I'm sort of too. No matter how I eat or how much I exercise, I'm still like that. The only thing getting me rid of it is alcohol. But again, that's like doing drugs. lol

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  44. I run about 3 miles a day so I am not what would be considered a serious distance runner But I have a q.

    Does distance running cause CFS, or do CFS suffers take up distance running to try to energize themselves?

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  45. OK I was wrong they're not antioxidants. Still, I can't help thinking to "directly aid mitochondrial function" is taking the stress off the mitochondria and there will be more bang for the exercise buck when the mitochondria 'get off welfare'.


    Evidence points to vitamin D deficiency as a risk factor for colorectal cancer, but a massive NCI prospective study found no effect on overall cancer mortality from vitamin D which rather suggests if there really is any vitamin D level 'sufficient' to prevent colorectal cancer then it's going to have the serious downside of increasing mortality for other cancers.

    A recent review of 45 vitamin D studies conducted by the Cochrane Collaboration Vitamin D and vitamin D analogues for preventing fractures associated with involutional and post-menopausal osteoporosis.
    "Overall there is a small but significant increase in gastrointestinal symptoms and renal disease associated with vitamin D or its analogues. "

    Here is a D believer complaining about the NCI doing a hatchet job on vitamin D "The study in question’s healthy controls had 25-hydroxy levels no higher than the cancer cases. The median 25-hydroxy levels for both groups ranged from 22.5 nmol/L – 78.0 nmol/L ( 9.0 ng/ml – 31.25 ng/ml ). These levels are all considered insufficient by doctors and scientists that understand Vitamin D deficiency"

    What are his recommendations for levels ? "In the case of cancer sufferers or cancer survivors the recommended level of 25-hydroxy would be above 187 nmol/L (75 ng/ml)." Note this is astronomically high, far higher than almost anybody will go from vitamin D synthesis from the sun no matter how much UVB exposure they get. An article about the upper limit Here
    "When he examined the young lifeguard, he saw that almost every square inch of her body was well tanned. She had been wearing practically nothing when she worked at the beach.

    Neil Binkley, M.D., told me about his patient because she had the highest physiologic level of vitamin D in her system of anyone he ever saw. Her level was 80 ng/ml" (200nmol/L). Now the lifeguard obviously was getting more than twenty or thirty times as much sun as the average person and yet her vitamin D level was not even three times that of a normal heathy control."


    It's clear to me that while the body restricts vitamin D levels - and does so for good reasons - people who take supplements have levels which would be impossible for them to attain by by sun exposure. The Vitamin D Council says "circulating levels of 25(OH)D between 50–80 ng/mL is the treatment of choice", but they have no idea what the effect of that will be. The only data they have for such high vitamin D concentrations comes from comes from a tiny minority with extreme sun exposure, only a few of whom get near 70ng/ml). What the effect of forcing up D by supplementation in those with naturally low levels will be is something they have no idea about.

    Is it really so paranoid to expect that maintaining such unnaturally high levels will have unpleasant long term consequences ?

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  46. luvsic: Sorry for taking so long getting back to you, but I did take Provigil once for a few days. It has a wonderful focusing effect, and it's impossible to sleep while on it yet at the same time you don't feel stimulated. Vitamin R (Ritalin) worked better for me - feels better too!

    Shawn: it's only fairly extreme distance running that may cause chronic fatigue. I had completed a couple of marathons and would normally run between 4 and 8 miles daily, with Sunday runs up to 15 miles, plus I worked out in the gym. Endurance exercise seems to affect the gut and make it leaky, which in turn causes oxidative stress and inflammation.

    Tod: I'll have to take a closer look at your links. However, just to take the nearest data I have at hand, the most recent post at Heart Scan, Davis recommends 63 ng/ml as "perfect".

    http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/10000-units-of-vitamin-d.html

    His patient did that on 10,000 units a day, less than one would get from daily full-body sun exposure. That blood level is lower than the ones you cite.

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  47. His patient did that on 10,000 units a day, less than one would get from daily full-body sun exposure

    I'm pushed for time so please excuse this link to another comment with additional links here

    ""[W]hole-body exposure to one minimal erythemal dose [a dose that would just begin to produce sunburn in a given individual] of simulated solar ultraviolet radiation is comparable with taking an oral dose of between 250 and 625 micrograms (10 000 and 25 000 IU) vitamin D."[11]

    The putative similar effect of supplementation and whole body exposure to one erythemal dose prompted a researcher to suggest that 250 micrograms/day (10,000 IU) in healthy adults should be adopted as the tolerable upper limit, but it's not true Supplements and skin synthesis have a different effect on serum 25(OH)D concentrations;[87] endogenously synthesized vitamin D3 travels in plasma almost exclusively on vitamin D-binding protein (VDBP), providing for a slower hepatic delivery of the vitamin D and the more sustained increase in plasma 25-hydroxycholecalciferol. Orally administered vitamin D produces swift hepatic delivery and increases in plasma 25-hydroxycholecalciferol. The richest food source of vitamin D — wild salmon — would require 35 ounces a day to provide 10,000IU.[8"
    Human plasma transport of vitamin D after its endogenous synthesis



    Holick's rule and vitamin D from sunlight

    "Consequently, UV exposure estimates based on Boston reference sunlight, instead of the UV lamp employed in the originating experiments, over estimate UV exposure equivalent to approximately 1000 IU orally by approximately 1/3."

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  48. 63ng/ml is freakishly high in my opinion. None of the healthy controls in the NCI cancer study had vitamin D concentrations over 31.25 ng/ml .

    What Davis bases his view on is the work of Vieth and like minded researchers, but what Vieth considers to be a optimal vitamin D level is naturally attained by virtually nobody apart from a minority of Hawiian lifeguards. By nobody I don't just mean in the US, I mean nobody on earth. People whose evolution has been in tropical regions of the world have adapted to the year round intense sunlight they are exposed to and it is clear that involves having low vitamin D levels. For example a review of vitamin D in Africa (Here) gives the median levels of 26 ng/ml for the equatorial countries Kenya and Congo. There is now solid evidence to support the idea of this genetic tendency to low vitamin D levels in those of tropical ancestry. Blood vitamin D levels in relation to genetic estimation of African ancestry

    "The effect of high vitamin D exposure from sunlight and diet was 46% lower among African Americans with high African ancestry than among those with low/medium ancestry. Conclusions: We found novel evidence that the level of African ancestry may play a role in clinical vitamin D status"

    I'm sure other populations which evolved in intense sunlight are much the same. In a study from south India,” (High prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in healthy south Indians) levels below 20ng/ml were found in 44% of the men and 70% of the women yet they got a lot of sun. The subjects are described as “agricultural workers starting their day at 0800 and working outdoors until 1700 with their face, chest, back, legs, arms, and forearms exposed to sunlight"

    In (Hollis et al 2007) even "Honolulu, Hawaii volunteers with a self-reported sun exposure time of three or more hours per day on five or more days per week for at least the preceding three months exhibited a wide range of circulating circulating vitamin D levels (11–71 ng/mL).

    I don't understand why anyone would think that 63ng/ml, only 8 ng/ml less than the highest level of D found in surfers with massive sun exposure (year round UV exposure that no ancestral European ever got ) is perfect. Most subjects never got near 61 ng/ml and that is clearly not due to lack of sun, it's clear that the majority of people are naturally selected NOT to reach 63 ng/ml by sun exposure. For example "Europeans are genetically polymorphic in their ability to maintain blood levels of vitamin D. At least two alleles reduce the effectiveness of the vitamin-D binding protein, and their homozygotes account for 9% and 18% of French Canadians (Sinotte et al., 2009)". (Sinotte et al 2009)

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  49. (cont.)

    Hollis (2007) investigated two separate populations: the first, (discussed above) individuals from Hawaii who received significant sun exposure; the second, subjects from a lactation study who received up to 6,400 IU vitamin D3/day for six months. "the range of circulating 25(OH)D levels in women in the supplementation group was from 12–77 ng/mL"

    Yikes! they went higher than the extremely sun exposed Hawaii subjects on a mere 6,400 IU. What is even more worrying is that many did not; if they were trying to attain the perfect level of 63ng/ml these women would indeed have to take 10,000 IU. Where is the harm in that ? Well, ingested vitamin D is not the same as skin synthesised D Human plasma transport of vitamin D after its endogenous synthesis says
    "These findings indicate that endogenously synthesized vitamin D3 travels in plasma almost exclusively on DBP, providing for a slower hepatic delivery of the vitamin D and the more sustained increase in plasma 25-hydroxycholecalciferol observed after depot, parenteral administration of vitamin D. In contrast, the association of orally administered vitamin D with chylomicrons and lipoproteins allows for receptor-mediated, rapid hepatic delivery of vitamin D, and the reported rapid but less-sustained increases in plasma 25-hydroxycholecalciferol".

    So supplementation is not handled in the same way; ingestion of vitamin D is not really the same. Is there any reason to think 10,000IU of D sloshing through the circulation will do harm ? Yes. Vitamin D and osteogenic differentiation in the artery wall

    "There is some evidence to suggest that dietary vitamin D may be carried by lipoprotein particles into cells of the artery wall and atherosclerotic plaque, where it may be converted to active form by monocyte-macrophages. These findings raise interesting questions regarding the effects of vitamin D intake on atherosclerotic calcification and cardiovascular risk.”

    Since that was written Vitamin D, Adiposity, and Calcified Atherosclerotic Plaque in African-Americanshas demonstrated positive associations between 25-hydroxyvitamin D and aorta and carotid artery CP in African-Americans.

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  50. A new horror:

    http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/08/07/inconvenient-boys-chemically-neutered-for-autism-therapy/

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  51. I've been mulling this over and wondering what sort of quantities you are at for the more "normal" supplements, by which I mean Vitamin D, zinc, iodine, and magnesium. Some of those are in my men's multi and I was wondering what level I'm at relative to you (not that I would double up on a multi just to increase the level of some of the constitutents).

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  52. Dennis -

    I'm sure you're tracking the XMRV stories, but you might be interested in my summary: http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=430.

    Best, Paul

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  54. My husband was hit with CFS six years ago as a full on omnivore. His diet was consistently protein rich from the eggs, meat and dairy in his diet. While it is always good news to read that someone has found a cure for the frustrating and debilitating ailments stemming from CFS, encouraging a diet high in animal protein is not a cure all and could be to one's detriment . My husband went the opposite route and cut out all animal products from his diet. He dropped weight (already off a lean frame), could exercise for longer durations and after meeting me, has substantial plant based protein in his meals which has allowed him to add 20 lbs of muscle to his frame. Going Vegan was the best thing he ever could have done to battle CFS. His cholesterol, teetering on the high side all of his life, has dropped significantly, to a very welcoming low point. The disease creeps back very rarely these days when he hasn't had enough sleep, but his diet and exercise changes have turned him into a new man.

    I'd encourage everyone reading this article to keep searching for the best means to fight CFS. For your bodies, consuming more animal protein may not be the best route, it in fact, could be the worst.

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  55. Nordic InsiderNov 1, 2011 11:20 PM

    This is in response to your post at The Breviary regarding the cancer drug treatment and M.E. (chronic fatigue syndrome). (I was unable to leave the comment there since I do not have any of those commenting profiles.):

    I read the paper, too, and it is the real deal. It is also good news for many "M.E." sufferers. (I use the quotes since it is obvious that M.E. is a catch-all diagnosis which probably includes many conditions.)

    The delicious irony is that this research was conducted in Norway, and for years now the Norwegian state has insisted that M.E. is just a psychological condition, sending M.E. patients for cognitive therapy and all sorts of nonsense. The reason behind this, of course, is that the Nanny State has not wanted to pay out disability money to M.E. sufferers, money that is rightfully due to M.E. sufferers according to the law here in this country.

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