Instead, the emotional core of opposition to reform was blatant fear-mongering, unconstrained either by the facts or by any sense of decency.Earlier in the column, Krugman repeats the story that protesters "hurled racial epithets at Democratic members of Congress on the eve of the vote." He also says that Newt Gingrich claimed that the health care bill would be as damaging to the Democrats as "civil rights legislation."
It wasn’t just the death panel smear. It was racial hate-mongering, like a piece in Investor’s Business Daily declaring that health reform is “affirmative action on steroids, deciding everything from who becomes a doctor to who gets treatment on the basis of skin color.” It was wild claims about abortion funding. It was the insistence that there is something tyrannical about giving young working Americans the assurance that health care will be available when they need it, an assurance that older Americans have enjoyed ever since Lyndon Johnson — whom Mr. Gingrich considers a failed president — pushed Medicare through over the howls of conservatives.
And let’s be clear: the campaign of fear hasn’t been carried out by a radical fringe, unconnected to the Republican establishment. On the contrary, that establishment has been involved and approving all the way. Politicians like Sarah Palin — who was, let us remember, the G.O.P.’s vice-presidential candidate — eagerly spread the death panel lie, and supposedly reasonable, moderate politicians like Senator Chuck Grassley refused to say that it was untrue. On the eve of the big vote, Republican members of Congress warned that “freedom dies a little bit today” and accused Democrats of “totalitarian tactics,” which I believe means the process known as “voting.”
For one who so harshly derides the opposition for getting their facts wrong, Krugman plays pretty loose with them himself. An "editors' note" has been appended to the column that states that Gingrich did not say that about civil rights legislation, and furthermore, I've seen the video of the Black Caucus members getting razzed and I heard no racial epithets. But even if there were, Krugman is correct in his assumption that racism - defined by liberals as anything they don't like - is a far more damaging accusation than that of legislating Soviet-like policies or rationing access to doctors - so far down has the level of public discourse gone.
Krugman, Nobel laureate and star NY Times columnist, clearly demonstrates that he's just a hater, a hater of American liberties and, since he calls his opponents racists, a hater of whites - since they are the only group which it's acceptable to condemn as racists, and any political movement that's majority white and even slightly to the right qualifies as racist in the eyes of Krugman and his ilk.
PS: Doesn't the existence of Democratic and Republican economists cast some doubt on the validity of economics as a science? It would be as if physicists were divided into Unitarians and Trinitarians.
Doesn't the existence of Democratic and Republican economists cast some doubt on the validity of economics as a science? It would be as if physicists were divided into Unitarians and Trinitarians.
ReplyDeleteWhat are you talking about here? There are Democratic and Republican physicists as well. Same with engineers. Bastions of the scientific method like English departments have no Republicans. Are they better?
If you are claiming that economists are divided into Dems and Reps kinda like chemists are divided into physical and organic, then you are, um, wrong.
Economists' D:R ratio is high, above 5:1, but lower than the ratio in any other social science. And economists generally know who the Rs are because economics (at least research-active, academic economics) is a small town, and because signing on to be on the Council of Economic Advisers under and R administration is a visible public act.
Maybe you are making the point that any field of scholarship which is highly policy-relevant becomes politicized, especially in a system with a powerful central government, and that this impedes progress. I think this is right, but it applies not only to economics but to other fields as well. Public health, climate science, and biology are good examples.
Do you think economics is more politicized than these other fields? I think it is less so and that the fact that R economists have not been driven out is greatly to economics's credit.
My point is that economists often use their discipline to make partisan points, casting doubt on its objectivity. There's no such thing as partisan physics.
ReplyDeleteMany of the comments to it are even worse than the Krugman column, and like his piece are completely devoid of analytical thinking -- 'spring in America' etc. Much of the rhetoric suggests that people who had doubts about, or were outright opposed to, this version of 'reform' are viewed (at best) as mean-spirited fear-mongers, overly obsessed with 'hand-wringing over how to pay for it' (as if that is a small matter), and are sort of in principle opposed to poor people receiving needed healthcare, e.g. because they are racists.
ReplyDeleteIt ought to be more than obvious that if 'reform' is implemented and develops in fact as it was intended in spirit, then it will be, more or less, a huge wealth transfer from high-achieving Whites and Asians (mostly) to low-achieving Blacks and Hispanics (mostly). And it isn't 'racist' to point this out, or, given census projections, to worry about future financing.
> It would be as if physicists were divided into Unitarians and Trinitarians.
ReplyDeleteOr if quantum physicists were divided into wave-collapse and multiverse interpretations, or statisticians into frequentists or Bayesians...
Nah. That's too silly.
gwern said...
ReplyDelete> It would be as if physicists were divided into Unitarians and Trinitarians.<
Or if quantum physicists were divided into wave-collapse and multiverse interpretations...Nah. That's too silly."
And yet, they can all agree on Maxwell's Equations, Newton's laws of motion, Schroedinger's equation, special relativity, and all the rest of established physical theory. And by the way, speculations on many-worlds theory and other gassy vaporings about what quantum mechanics implies is not physics - it's metaphysics.
Dennis's point is a good one. The fact that one's economics is determined by one's politics invalidates it from being a "science" in any meaningful way.
"Krugman, Nobel laureate and star NY Times columnist, clearly demonstrates that he's just a hater,....."
We should stop referring to these people as Nobel laureates. He doesn't have a Nobel prize in economics because there is no such thing as a Nobel prize in economics (in the same sense as the prizes in physics, chemicstry, medicine, etc.). The committe that awards said prize can no more award Krugman a prize from Alfred Nobel's bequest than I could bestow upon him the Order of the Legion d'Honneur.
Krugman repeats the story that protesters "hurled racial epithets at Democratic members of Congress on the eve of the vote."
ReplyDeleteI was standing right there when that happened, and it's bullshit.
Didn't see Krugman anywhere at the time.
Of course this is a huge wealth transfer by the ruling Multicultural oligarchs from us to non-whites, that's the whole point, just like with climate quotas: To create a form of transnational Socialism and rob whites of their possessions and their lands. This is the official policy of all white majority Western nations without exception.
ReplyDeleteOur countries should be deliberate flooded with Third World masses in order to destroy our societies so that the West can be put under global governance by a permanently entrenched ruling caste of anti-white Globalists. Whites need to be broken because we are too unruly, too interested in self-rule and just too plain "different." By merely existing we constitute an obstacle to global governance that must be crushed.
What's mostly disagreed on, and hence affects political affiliation, are the normative things; i.e. what public policy should be. This brings in value judgements that aren't a part of economics the discipline.
ReplyDeleteEveryone agrees that a minimum wage increase, all else equal, results in either fewer jobs or higher prices depending on employment demand elasticity. What they then disagree on is whether that makes the minimum wage increase a good or bad thing to do.
This isn't a new thought, but it struck me again while reading Krugman and the comments that follow his column: this is a real-life Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead we're living through. The news is filled with the real-life versions of Ellsworth Toohey, Wesley Mouch, Balph Eubank, Cuffy Meigs, and the rest of the socialist/moocher/looter characters Rand created.
ReplyDeleteIt's kind of surreal, living in a novel like this. If it wasn't so frightening it would be fascinating. Will the country crumble like it did in the book? How will the Galts and Rourkes and Reardens and Taggarts out there manifest themselves?
The Racist hate-mongerers don't make rational arguments against reform, because they want children to die!
ReplyDeleteMembers of a certain ethnic group seem to pop up with great regularity when you look at who can and does push anti-White agendas.
ReplyDeleteYet somehow all the sophisticated statistical arguments about race and crime just fly out the window!
Magical exceptions!
There were no racial epithets.
ReplyDeleteThey would be on youtube by now.
From there, they would be played 24/7 by the media.
They aren't because they don't exist.
Krugman is a liar.
Instead, the emotional core of opposition to reform was blatant fear-mongering, unconstrained either by the facts or by any sense of decency.
ReplyDeleteUnconstrained by the facts? The bill was 2000+ pages! No one -- including those voting on it -- knew all the "facts" about the bill's contents.
One fact we most assuredly know, however. The new law further centralizes power in the hands of a hostile State. That's all we need to know.
Instead, the emotional core of opposition to reform was blatant fear-mongering....
ReplyDeleteHistory tells us that the fears articulated by opponents of centralization always turn out to understate the disaster that ultimately unfolds.
With the 1964 immigration act, they told us: "Don't worry -- it won't appreciably change the country's ethnic balance."
With civil rights acts, they said: "Racial quotas? The text of the statute itself forbids quotas!"
The amnesty in 1986: "This is the last one, and hereafter we'll enforce the border!"
To suppose that death panels are in the offing is entirely reasonable. What's not reasonable (or decent) is to dismiss these concerns.
No one knows what's in the health-care bill. And no one controls the bureaucrats. Anything is possible.
If Krugman characterizes opposition to the health-care bill as "racist", he has ipso facto conceded that the bill itself is racist: i.e., it does something for non-Whites at the expense of Whites.
ReplyDeleteKrugman isn't anti-white, he is anti-white gentile. I doubt very much that he hates his fellow Jews.
ReplyDeleteThis is the official policy of all white majority Western nations without exception.
ReplyDeleteWell, there is one little country in the Middle East, that some people insist is part of the West, where genocide of the white majority by immigration is not the official policy. Oddly enough, when those very special white people live anywhere else they invariably clamor for open borders.
Krugman writes:
ReplyDeleteblatant fear-mongering, unconstrained either by the facts or by any sense of decency
Krugman describes himself. He just doesn't like White people.
The Big Hate, by Paul Krugman, June 12, 2009.
The Town Hall Mob, by Paul Krugman, August 7, 2009.
MnMark said...
ReplyDelete....this is a real-life Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead we're living through. The news is filled with the real-life versions of Ellsworth Toohey, Wesley Mouch, Balph Eubank, Cuffy Meigs, and the rest of the socialist/moocher/looter characters Rand created.
It's kind of surreal, living in a novel like this."
Yet another reason for hating these bastards.....for condemning me to live in a f**king Ayn Rand novel. No wonder my life is hackneyed, poorly written, and dull. What could be worse? Living in an L. Ron Hubbard novel?
Expect, by white we mean people of European descent. Jews don't fit the bill.
ReplyDeleteThis bill has death panels in it. It says that the government can cut out your healthcare if they see it as not
cost effective. And economics is a science and like all sciences it's a descriptive thing. As an economist, you
can't say that this healthcare bill should be rejected nor adopted because that's falling in the is-ought paradigm.
As an economist, you can fairly describe the consequences it will have and alternatives. Just like the doctor tells
you that if you get this surgery, X will happen and if you don't, Y will probably happen. The value question is
left to you, they do the descriptive part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_gU50mfehI
For example, Milton Friedman discussed this in a video that I can't find, but he does it in this video and he said
that he can't say if Ford should have paid more for that car or not and the morality question is another one. An
economist can tell you what would have happened in each case, but he isn't making a choice based on a science when
he chooses one of the two since he is making a moral choice, not one based on a scientific theory. Any science can't make normative decisions - what we see as better it's the subjective desires we have. For example, the religious people who are against surgery are a good paralel. Basically, they get the descriptive facts of their illness and they make the value decision based on their own beliefs. I mean, sure, I find it weird and I would rather get surgery and survive than not offend my god, but that's a value decision. The doctor can't tell me which way is better.
Now about the Nobel in economics. The problem it's not it's existence, but how it is awarded. The most farcical of Nobel prizes is the peace one though.
What could be worse? Living in an L. Ron Hubbard novel?
ReplyDeleteDon't look now, but there's some sort of space alien wrapped around your waist.
Wait...I see another one.
I've seen the video of the Black Caucus members getting razzed and I heard no racial epithets.
ReplyDeleteThat's just it: They made it up. It never happened. I predicted a few years back that when mere fact-twisting was no longer adequate for our communists, they would resort to blatant lies. I was right, and their lies are backed by the full force of the media.
I'm really starting to hate living in this country.
"There's no such thing as partisan physics."
ReplyDeleteThere was in Germany in the 1930s: Aryan Physics versus Jewish Physics.
Republican and Democrat economists agree with each other more than they do with non-economists. Bryan Caplan has explained this in "The Myth of the Rational Voter" and related material. Of course, he doesn't think the two parties differ much at all other than rhetorically.
ReplyDeleteA interesting book on economics is "The Death of Economics" by Paul Ormerod
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