Optimism vs. pessimism on America's future
In recent months, Al Fin has become a favorite blog of mine; a prolific blogger, he focuses on scientific and technical advances, as well as the occasional downbeat post on some worrisome trend or another, and what these mean for the future of the U.S. and the world. As he demonstrates on a daily basis, we have great cause for optimism in the economy, medicine, energy, longevity, the environment, and so on. Anyone who finds Ray Kurzweil's vision of the future convincing will find his blog a good exposition of the details.
The pessimistic view of the future may perhaps be illustrated by a comment on a previous post of mine:
Spend the money. Spend it and buy something because the government is going to get their hands on your savings. (I suggest purchasing firearms, land in a rural, white state and buying items that will increase your self-sufficiency, etc...) It will be called a "One Time Tax" but it will happen on a regular basis. Just wait. The money, I mean our money, will be used to support degenerate minorities and other "populations at risk." I'd like to be wrong about this but here is just the tip of the iceberg: [links to American Renaissance]We will not, of course, be able to decide which view is correct in the course of a blog post.
We are going to be supporting indigent, useless blacks and hispanics. The process has already begun.
Writing in Prospect, Michael Lind states:
Anyone who reads the serious press about the condition of the US might be excused for believing that the country is headed towards a series of deep crises.He goes on to show why he doesn't believe it true.
However, he also goes to some length to explain why he thinks that concerns about America's racial makeup, in particular the concern that whites will become a minority, are misplaced, wrong even. He accomplishes this with some verbal sleight-of-hand, by categorizing Hispanics as "white", and by citing relatively high rates of intermarriage, and concludes that "whites" will not become a minority.
If you put these trends together, you get a mega-trend that is the opposite of the conventional wisdom: when the most recent, yet-to-be-assimilated immigrants are factored out, the long-term trend in the US is towards less racial, cultural and linguistic diversity. There are some causes for concern, notably the possibility that the bipolar white/non-white system will give way to a black/non-black system, with blacks excluded from an informal social definition of "whiteness" that includes Hispanics and Asians. Nonetheless, the melting pot, which blends previously disparate groups into a single group, is still working in the US. In the 20th century, the melting pot turned once-distinct Anglo-Americans, Germans, Irish, Poles, Greeks, Jews, Italians and Lebanese into boringly similar "non-Hispanic whites." In this century, the American melting pot will blend most of today's old and new racial groups into a single English-speaking American cultural majority of mixed, mostly European ancestry.Maybe, but given Hispanics' strong ethnic self-identity; the fact that, since most of them are from Mexico, and more Indian than white; that having so many from one country, a country with revanchist tendencies toward the U.S.; and that legal immigration and multiculturalism are rapidly eroding America's sense of itself as a white, European, and English-speaking nation, I am not so sanguine.
In my opinion, the greatest existential risk for this nation, and indeed for the world, the risk that might prevent a magnificent future almost beyond imagination, is the possibility of a partial or complete dissolution of the United States.
To prevent that, illegal immigration must be stopped, and legal immigration severely curtailed. We wouldn't be close to being out of the woods if those things were to happen, but if they don't, the future could be pretty grim.
Labels: Balkanization, Immigration, Race


16 Comments:
There is good evidence that a new grand minimum is almost upon us.
We will see over the next five years if this is so.
If it is, the shit will hit the fan and a lot of the bullshit we see about valuing worthless minority groups will suddenly have to face the harsh light of reality.
In my opinion, the greatest existential risk for this nation, and indeed for the world, the risk that might prevent a magnificent future almost beyond imagination, is the possibility of a partial or complete dissolution of the United States.
O CAPTAIN! my Captain! our fearful trip is done;
The ship has weather’d every rack, the prize we sought is won;
The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring:
But O heart! heart! heart!
O the bleeding drops of red,
Where on the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.
"The United States themselves are essentially the greatest poem."
--Walt Whitman
"prevent a magnificent future almost beyond imagination"
It never fails to amaze me how otherwise rational people who would scoff at religion fall for a millenarian belief like the Singularity.
Also interesting is that here it is being used to push for a particular political program, namely the curtailing of immigration. This is not new; many calls to action throughout history have been justified on the grounds of "helping to bring about the millenium".
By the way, belief in the Singularity is not the first "materialist" and "scientific" version of millenarianism to appear. Marxism was.
Tim,
I'd say that what is expressed in this post bears no resemblance whatsoever to the certitude of millenarian religious faith. Kurzweil et al. have put forward what many consider a plausible case for a coming technological "Singularity", and it is hardly necessary to "fall for it" before one may speculate on its likelihood, or on what cultural trends might prevent it from coming to fruition.
Likewise, one doesn't have to be a millenarian, or "believe in" any pie-in-the-sky technological scenarios, to imagine that radical muticulturalism and the accumulation within our borders of hordes of unassimilated immigrants might threaten much that we value.
All these open borders guys seem to think the demise of the old Anglo-America because of 19th century immigration was no great loss. They are never challenged on this for numerous reasons one of which is because it would offend too many descendants of the Ellis island period waves of immigration.
So don't be surprised decades from now when the Latin U.S.A. is a Third World mess if people then continue to pretend that the mass immigration of today was a good thing. Can't offend some sensitive ethnic group's ancestors, can we?
In reply to "Tim", Malcolm put the case well. There's nothing millenarian in speculating that technological advances will reach a point beyond what we can conceive. In any case, it can't be denied that the U.S. has been in the forefront of technical and scientific achievement over the past 100 years; if the U.S. fails, it will be a disaster not only for us, but for the world. (Notwithstanding our little venture in Iraq.)
Black Sea, quoting Walt Whitman, says:
"The United States themselves are essentially the greatest poem."
I don't think you can go that far.
It is, in many ways, better than anything that has gone before it, and it too will most likely pass.
However, my point was that Lincoln, in effect, gave his life ensuring that the US would not be ripped asunder.
I know that many people are fond of pointing out how many liberties and how many people's liberty Lincoln curtailed, but I wonder if they have ever reflected on what life would have been like, though out the whole world, if Lincoln acquiesced to the partition of the US?
Of course, as he said, Lincoln was agnostic on that other question.
"There's nothing millenarian in speculating that technological advances will reach a point beyond what we can conceive."
There's nothing millenarian in, say, wanting to have flying cars by 2020. But to expect the coming of a technological transformation that will wipe out death and usher a Golden Age so bright that out puny intelects are unable to comprehend it right now seems very millenarian to me...
When Kurtzweil says here that "Most of you [...] are likely to be around to see the Singularity" he is basically echoing Jesus: "Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done". That is, he's teasing his audience with the imminence of the Apocalypse.
Like christian Heaven, the future post-Singularity scenario is vagely depicted, but but nevertheless assumed to be desirable. I don't know why on Earth it should be so. It may as well be a gateway to unimaginable horrors, or involve a transformation so radical that there can't be any empathy between present humans and the inhabitants of the future, thus negating the reason to undergo the transformation in the first place.
Another way to understand belief in the Singularity is as a secular version of the perpetual progression tenet of the Mormon faith. It's no wonder then that there are . Don't expect catholic transhumanist anytime soon.
Sorry... the next-to-last sentence should read "It's no wonder then that there are mormon transhumanists".
Replacing a President by his moll is pretty Third World.
"Like christian Heaven, the future post-Singularity scenario is vagely depicted, but but nevertheless assumed to be desirable. I don't know why on Earth it should be so. It may as well be a gateway to unimaginable horrors, or involve a transformation so radical that there can't be any empathy between present humans and the inhabitants of the future, thus negating the reason to undergo the transformation in the first place."
I don't argue with that, but Kurzweil's argument doesn't depend on anyone explicitly planning for it or desiring it. The Singularity would just be a logical consequence of massive improvements in technology. Since the Singularity will depend on those improvements, brought about by the world's collective scientific infrastructure, all the transhumanists together couldn't make it happen by wishing it so. As for the comparison with Jesus' predictions, he had no evidence to back them up.
Tim,
While I agree with you that the consequences of the Singularity may indeed be undesirable in various ways (a radical transformation, in my opinion, not being one of them), there is a major distinction to be made between reasoned argument, such as Kurzweil makes, and mere prophesying.
Pointing out that others have expressed millienarian views, or that some may have seized upon Kurzweil's prognosis with religious zeal, is not a compelling criticism of his argument. We see the same emotional fervor among radical environmentalists, for example, but that social and psychological fact doesn't bear on the truth or falsity of any particular environmental predictions.
I have as little in common with white "liberals" and evangelicals as I do with Mexicans or blacks. Americans have embraced the welfare state and have thus earned only my contempt. I hope to live long enough to enjoy the crash.
And Lincoln was a murdering fool.
The great hope of interracial marriage solving our ethnic divides has already been debunked by Steve Sailer:
"Continued Immigration Retards Growth of Interracial Marriage"
http://vdare.com/sailer/la.htm
Here is the scholarly work where Sailer gets much of his data and arguments from: "Mixed Race and Ethnicity in California" by Sonya M. Tafoya of the Public Policy Institute of California
http://www.ppic.org/main/publication.asp?i=37
I fully intend to get myself a Mexican girl, but I won't impregnate her. I surely won't tell her that, though. Children of any race are NOT the future. I will be rich enough to take advantage of all races of poor people. That's the future, and it works for me.
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